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We thought it might be a good idea to dip into Ted Miller's mailbag, since he reads us now and everything.  Or at least, he likes to read danzig's posts professing his love for Longshore.  And away we go...

Dan from Portland writes: Fever, I am sure you have by now received countless emails from my fellow Oregonians stating that the greatest college football rivalry of all time in any conference is the Oregon State / [expletive] ducks civil war....this is the hardest fought game of the year regardless of national rankings....it sells out every year and gives millions... okay, thousands of Oregonians something to look forward to besides nine months of rain. Even the kids in this state classify themselves as Beavers or *ucks. Please do a little more research next time.

Ray from Lake Oswego, Ore. writes: Dude, you blatently left out the Civil War on your "most bitter rivalries" list???!!!??? C'mon now, I know you spent a lot of time up in Seattle, but you really think the Apple Cup and fuskies vs. the 'ucks is a better rivalry? As a proud member of Beaver Nation, I am hear to tell you that our hatred for all things green and yellow far outweighs that of those other rivalries...heck our rivalry game with the fuskies has a better rating on the "hate-o-meter" than most of your top 5. I was really beginning to like your blog and then you had to go and do this...we expect better from you Fever.

Yellow Fever:  Let's get one thing clear; every rivalry is bitter.  But let's do a little research and take a look at some of the highlights.

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First, using the magic of YouTube, we have Oregon State blocking a field goal from Oregon to win the 2006 Civil War.

Now, that's pretty cool, and I didn't remember that happening at all.  Props to Oregon State, I suppose.

BAM!  WHIFF!  ZAM!  POW!  It wouldn't be a good rivalry without some fights in the stands.

Unfortunately, that video seems to be of the aftermath, but I appreciated it nonetheless.

As for some of the more notable games in the rivalry, here we have a link to OSUalum.com.

But as Miller says, it can't be that much of a rivalry if Ducks fans hate the Huskies more.  And to bring that closer to home, I'd have to say at this point that recent alums like myself hate USC more than we hate Stanford.  Yeah, I dislike the fact that we lost the Big Game last year and no longer have possession of the axe, but it's not like it eats at me.  Ask me again if the Cardinal win the next two Big Games.

Back to Oregon/Oregon State - everyone has a rivalry.  Yours is bitter.  It also doesn't seem any more bitter than any other rivalry out there.

Brian from Munford, Tenn., writes: The numbers do not lie. Most SEC teams do have poor non-conference scheduling. After all since the BCS started the SEC has 4 national championships and why not include Auburn in 2004 since USC was awarded a piece in 2003(50% i would say a highly significant winning %)?The problem is EVERY week in the SEC anyone can win. There is no other conference that even compares. So with that said why would any team in this conference schedule big non conference games? They do not need to!

Yellow Fever:  I think  I've said before that that kind of reasoning is an absolute joke.  Let's say a family in your neighborhood had six brothers who beat the shit out of each other every weekend, with any of them having a chance of winning any particular fight, all of them seemingly highly skilled, and then calling themselves the toughest guys in the universe.  Except when they went out and fought, you know, anyone else, they were pretty much 50/50 to get the shit kicked out of them.  Would you still think they're the toughest guys in the universe?  Let me put it to you like this: no. 

So why does the SEC get a pass for losses like Cal 45, Tennessee 31, and Michigan 41, Florida 35?  Hey, if a conference is strong because anyone can win within the conference, you'd better be able to stomp everyone outside the conference.

For any MMA fans out there, I think it's fairly analogous to the former perception of UFC and PRIDE.  For years, everyone was convinced that the guys in PRIDE would mop the floor with anyone from UFC; Wanderlei Silva would take Chuck Liddell's head off, Dan Henderson would crush Quinton Jackson...and guess what?  It didn't happen.  The PRIDE guys stepped outside of their own competitive circle and lost to their competitors, and as a result, no one really believes the perception that everyone in PRIDE is/was superior to everyone fighting in UFC. 

Why does this kind of mentality persist with regards to the SEC?  I can't give you a straight answer, but maybe I can point to something that speaks to the culture down there.

Nick from St. Paul writes: Fever, could you go into a little more depth on the Arizona State offensive line? How much of last year was do to a new system, Carpenter holding the ball too long and past injuries hurting lineman mobility? How much will that improve with in the second year of Team Erickson?

Yellow Fever:  No, I can't go into any more depth, because I'm not good at actual analysis that isn't condescending in some way.

Tate from Eugene writes:  I realize that you think the ducks "have the ugliest uniforms in the history of the world" but does it really matter when we've actually pulled recruits here on our uniforms alone? Obviously they are doing something for us. The recruits love it, the players love it, and the fans love it. So keep on hating and we'll keep on pulling in guys like LeGarrette Blount who is gonna tear the Pac-10 up this season (as a backup too).

Yellow Fever:  I'm gonna draw a parallel here to the Brett Favre situation.  I've read people say he's entitled to act like an asshole and put himself above the Packers because of what he's done for them.  But even if that's true, he's still an asshole.  Having the right to be an asshole doesn't mean he's not being an asshole when he exercises that right.

So, same for the ugly Oregon jerseys.  Just because they serve a purpose and attract recruits doesn't mean that they're not ugly.  They're still ugly.

Jordan from Coeur d'Alene, ID writes: I have been wrestling with the toughest football question I've ever contemplated and I need your advice: I am a lifelong Washington fan and I don't know what to do this season. I love Ty Willingham, the man; he's a class act and full of good character. However, he is a god-awful football coach. He's recruited decently but is 11-25 (and, as I'm sure you remember, Lambright was fired for a better record) in three seasons and is without argument a terrible game day coach. I am clearly in the wanting Ty fired camp, but does that mean I have to hope for my Huskies to have a mediocre to poor season so that he will be canned? I mean, I'm desperate for a bowl game but I fear that if we make one Ty will be extended and we will remain mediocre. What's a purple and gold-clad fan to do?

Yellow Fever:  Jordan, don't worry about it.  Rome wasn't built in a day either.  Keep Willingham.

Doug from Houston writes: Fever - If you have USC only making the Rose Bowl then who do you have them losing to? Please don't tell me Ohio State!

Yellow Fever:  Let's just say these guys might have something to do with it.




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Good logic on the SEC non-conf scheduling sham. The press is only now beginning to wake up to it. By the way, those are some sick videos!

by danzig on Aug 4, 2008 1:33 PM PDT reply actions  

UFC and Pride - you can do better

Good call on SEC logic…....but everyone knows as an organization, Pride > UFC, even though Pride had ties to the Japanese mafia. Pride had the better production, better rules, better cards, better collection of fighters, crazy screaming lady doing the fighter intros, can you imagine her doing Cal player intros?

Quinton Jackson was in Pride for a long time before going to the UFC. Doesn’t that make him a Pride fighter cleaning up in the UFC? Nog was a long time Pride fighter, he’s a champ now in UFC. What about former Pride champ Fedor, what did he do to the former UFC champ Tim Silvia? Chuck got a pretty good beating when he went to fight in Pride. Different stage (ring vs cage) and rules and Pride vs UFC fighters debate is stupid and should never be brought up.

by cal98 on Aug 4, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply actions  

First you say that it’s not a good argument, then you go into the differences between the two and why one is better than the other, then you say it’s stupid and should never be brought up? Wow

by thenick on Aug 4, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

not to pile on

But the point of my argument was that there’s no empirical reason you can say that PRIDE was better than UFC. You bring up examples of PRIDE fighters beating UFC fighters – the fact that I can bring up counterexamples means that you can’t definitively say that PRIDE was better than UFC. Unless you want to bring in things like the organization, production, rules, cards, and collections of fighters, which can’t really be measured.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Aug 4, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

yellow:

Agree with your post above 100%

As for Pride fighters doing bad in UFC, you could’ve done a lot better than Rampage vs Henderson example. I’ll give you Silva vs Liddell, that didn’t sit well with a lot of Pride fans. But how can you not bring up how poorly Crocop did in the UFC? That’s like talking about our collapse last year without mentioning…..receivers running wrong routes in the 4th quarter.

As for which organization was better, I would have to give Pride the edge. Soccer kicks > elbows on ground and Pride had Sakuraba.

by cal98 on Aug 4, 2008 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll summarize the paragraphs and points for you:

1. as an organization, Pride > UFC

2. Pride vs UFC fighters debate is stupid

by cal98 on Aug 4, 2008 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yellow, you are the analogy king!

I suck at thinking of parallel analogies to prove a point. Nice job.

by SonofCalifornia on Aug 4, 2008 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Cal 35, Tennessee 21? Damn, I must’ve missed that game.

The argument is that eight SEC games (because of the history and ferocity of crowds involved) is about on equal value as nine Pac-10 games doesn’t seem fair to Left Coast fans, but the NCAA has to lay the law down for this to happen. An extra SEC game would be nice, but its members are dominated by heartland/deep south folks who love any advantage they can get.

Oh, and our commish was an idiot, that didn’t help either.

by BearsNecessity on Aug 4, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's my bad

I noticed that when I was rereading the post, but didn’t get around to correcting it until now.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Aug 4, 2008 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and our commish was an idiot, that didn’t help either.

This isn’t a refutation of your point, but I always got the sense that Tom Hansen had a lot less power to make changes than most people would like to give him credit/blame for. My impression was that he was the employee and servant of the Pac-10 member institution presidents, not the other way around.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Aug 4, 2008 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have another perspective on Hansen.

He was the DO NOTHING COMMISH. While other conferences (Big-10 in ‘04 and SEC other years) are seizing 2 BCS games in one year, because their commish and coaches are pushing for it, our commish is enjoying his after-the-regular-season vacation. Hansen was the worst-advocate possible for PAC-10 football, and he might be known as that in the all-time history books. If his hands were tied by the different presidents, I don’t know how they became that, if they balked on making millions more for their programs. So, the blame stops at Hansen in my subjective opinion.

I've got enough man-love for Longshore and Riley.

by Jan K Oski on Aug 4, 2008 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is a fact and it is indisputable. The SEC and “Big” Ten have 3 or 4 teams playing on New Years’ Day. How many times has the Pac-10 sent a team ranked 4th or 5th or 6th in the country to the bloody Holiday Bowl? And then, the disappointed team invariably lays an egg, which only serves to rile up the mouth-breathers in the square states that the Pac-10 is made out of restaurant-quality fail.

If the conference would pull their head out and work to get their teams in front of the public (i.e. LOSE THE FOX CONTRACT), well, exposure is everything. The reason the SEC gets vast love is because the schools, the conference and the commish are all out there selling out hard to promote themselves as the be-all and end-all of college football. In fact, they'd probably point to the title game and say that there's your 9th conference game for whoever their winner is.  And I'd say that a 12-game season means there shouldn't be conference title games.  And then somebody would shove their pouch of Chattanooga Chew somewhere I don't like to think about and I'd wind up in the emergency room.  Again. (facepalm)

by VandyImport on Aug 4, 2008 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

GAH. Browser is Teh Suck.

Anyway, if the conference would pull their head out and work to get Pac-10 teams in front of the eyes of the nation, i.e. lose the coddamn Fox contract and get the #2 team out of San Diego and into Orlando or Jacksonville, then maybe some things would turn around. Believe me, the necks down in the SEC are working day and night to promote their teams, which is why they get 4 teams playing on Jan. 1 or later and have bowl bids down to the 9th place finisher. But looking at the last few years, it sure seems like the powers that be in the Pac-10 front office only care about the Rose Bowl and their tee times and the rest of the conference can go screw. Honestly, I would have taken a flamethrower to the place by now…

by VandyImport on Aug 4, 2008 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

get the #2 team out of San Diego and into Orlando or Jacksonville

That might not go as well as you originally perceived.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 4, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, when I used to live in Knoxville people would complain if they had to go to Orlando a couple of years in a row. It’s the SEC’s San Diego.

by sec119 on Aug 4, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point was more that getting people out from Pac10 teams to travel out to Orlando or Jax as compared to SD (esp. given rising fuel costs) might be tougher than originally perceived.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 5, 2008 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

geographically speaking

i think the Pac-10’s best bet is to either promote the Holiday Bowl so that it’s a better game, or get their #2 team into the Cotton Bowl. both of those options present difficulties, but i think they’re the best ways to avoid sending teams completely across the country, where a fanbase might not be willing/able to follow them as well.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Aug 5, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the SEC is consistently the best conference in football with the Pac-10 a close second. The problem is that besides USC, the Pac-10 has had trouble maintaining top-tier programs over the last 20 years. Washington, Washington St., Oregon, Oregon St., Cal, UCLA, and Arizona St. have all had good runs but no one has been able to keep it together. The bottom line is that if USC goes 12-1 this year but loses the Pac-10 to Cal or anybody else we will get two BCS bids. As long as USC keeps winning the Pac-10 title it’s going to be hard to get a second team in. We deserve two teams most years but it’s too easy for the Kirk Herbstreits of the world to point to the fact that no one can beat USC as a justification for keeping teams out.

With that said, the Big-10 is a joke. 3-5 in bowl games last year and they getting embarrassed in the title game two years in a row. It’s the SEC, the Pac-10, the Big 12 and everybody else.

by The Hombre on Aug 4, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

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they getting embarrassed in the title game two years in a row. It’s the SEC, the Pac-10, the Big 12 and everybody else.

I am missing something or is there no way to edit comments?

by The Hombre on Aug 4, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not even I can edit comments. AND I’M ME! I should be able to do what I went when I went.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 4, 2008 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

what I went when I went.

I clearly forgot to pray to Saint Dumpster Muffin, god of irony, enough. Or YHWH has a strong sense of cruel humor.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 4, 2008 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

No kidding. I read that and was trying to figure out if it was intentional or not. Hilarious either way.

by The Hombre on Aug 4, 2008 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s go with intentional. Yes. Intentional.

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by TwistNHook on Aug 4, 2008 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

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