Should Nate Longshore Have Been Booed?
Well, the scenario didn't play itself out exactly as we expected, but it was still fairly ugly. I heard it from the TV pretty clearly even without speakers: Polite cheers turned into quick moans when Longshore threw pick 1 (not exactly his fault), and then outright booing.
I've heard what Riley did, which is pretty sweet, but it makes you wonder how fairweather Cal fans are, as if they've forgotten 2006 and Longshore's spectacular debut season. Now they're happy to toss him aside for Riley, and hope he never leaves the bench, and are calling for Brock Mansion to take second unit reps.
This is one of the top five winningest quarterbacks in Golden Bear history. (Whether he won or lost because of the talent around him is fairly irrelevant. He still had to throw the balls). Think of all the crappy college football quarterback play you see on Saturdays. You're really going to say Longshore sucks?
This thread isn't dedicated to his play though. It's aimed at the Cal fans who need to justify their reprehensible behavior on Saturday, old Blues and young ones. Booing a college athlete=bad. You fans have become a little too entitled and pampered these past six years. All of you know what bad QB play is like--go watch the Niners or Raiders in September to remember what it's like. Longshore has done both good and bad for this school, and don't forget that.
Should Nate Longshore have been booed? If so, why?
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Are you trying to say “Just Touchdowns” O’Sullivan isn’t going to play well this season? Why, I never!
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
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Everytime I hear that name I keep on picturing a dude in striped pants and a top hat with a handlebar mustache.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
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To be fair, that’s exactly how you imagine me, too. So, it’s a pretty common imagination on your part.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
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No, I imagine you to look like Rasputin. Crazed and manical yet in complete control over the czarist CGB.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
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no
’nuff said.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Aug 31, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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No
Having recently graduated (and having sat in the student section for every game last year), I can only say that a good number of Cal students have ZERO class. They’re like wannabe USC fans, and that makes me cry and hemorrhage on the inside.
Having said that, I don’t think there’s any reason to boo ANY athlete at ANY level, with the exception of said athlete being a total asshat. coughwillismcgaheecough.
I mean, honestly, are boos supposed to make the player play better? Do people really think Longshore didn’t know he sucked it up on those 2 ints?
by BleedinBlue on
Aug 31, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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Maybe I’ll write a rant on sitting in section Q, and listening to various asshats, representing Cal, talking classless trash to MSU fans.
by sec119 on
Aug 31, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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And here I thought you were in Section 119. Now you are in Q? Get your story straight, man!
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 10:31 AM PDT
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I know, I know. It’s a relic from my season tickets to the A’s games. Y’know, I was on AN back in the early days, when we used carrier pigeon to post and smoke signals to comment.
by sec119 on
Aug 31, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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As was I. As was I.
Do you still have season tickets to the As games? Or have you upgraded to Cal!
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 11:00 AM PDT
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I had the 20-game package for a few years, with my now-wife, but at some point it just got too pricey for a grad student. On the other hand, the student season tickets were an embarrassingly sweet deal for the coughsixcough years I was in school, but I won’t complain too much about the downgrade to young alumni tix. They’re still a good deal relative to the BIg 12 or SEC schools in our hometowns.
by sec119 on
Aug 31, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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What about chanting?
I wasn’t at the game because I had to fly to New York (terrible planning – could have waited until today and gone to the game), so this is second-hand information, but: a friend reports that some people chanted “Go on your mission” at one point. Which is:
- cruel and uncalled for; and
- hilarious
I don’t think specific athletes should be booed. But I will say that sometimes as a fan you need some way to express the opposite of a cheer. You want to be able to do more than groan, or swear, or whatever.
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by Calfan on
Aug 31, 2008 9:41 AM PDT
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That's not terribly clever
Now if someone recited Scripture from The Book of Mormon about the pride of man, THAT would have been hilarious.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 9:50 AM PDT
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Some people started chanting “Kevin Riley” at some point yesterday during the Longshore section of the game. That’s not quite as mean-spirited.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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Hydrotech must have been distraught. Brock Mansion will never get his chance.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 10:21 AM PDT
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I’m looking forward to HydroTech’s 5,000 word essay on how amazing Nate Longshore’s field goal holder skills are.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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stop stealing my jokes!
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by CBKWit on
Aug 31, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
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You shoulda gotten here quicker! You type too slow.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 1:44 PM PDT
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wow, I didn’t hear that. I would have laughed and then felt bad.
This reminds me of when BYU played at Cal in 2001. The mic-man at the time (Chad) actually read a “letter” from God (I believe) pretty much saying how BYU is unloved by god. I remember it being hilarious, and more to entertain the students during a swift beating. I would love to have a copy of that letter. Anyone else remember that?
by AndBears on
Sep 2, 2008 2:32 PM PDT
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What had happened was that
after the 1st pick there was some quite chants of Riley but stopped after Best’s amazing stop. Then after the pick six there were 1) booing, 2) chanting Riley 3) bench him and 4) fuck Longshore.
I’m all for booing the refs but not the players
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Aug 31, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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Yet after all that, I still think Cal fans doing the Wave is far worse.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 11:07 AM PDT
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Card tricks = cool, wave = not so much
by OskiMonsta on
Aug 31, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
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True dat
I went to a Real Madrid game last week, and I was totally in love with the pageantry of EuroCup soccer . . . until they did the wave. At which point I snickered and thought, “And they don’t even have card stunts to balance out the lameness of this.”
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by Calfan on
Aug 31, 2008 3:27 PM PDT
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Mixed feelings on the wave
I’m usually anti-wave but do you remember a certain wave from the 2005 Big Game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBQaM3PVLqA
It was the perfect wave for the following reasons:
1. It was during a TV time out so it didn’t interfere with that actual game-watching.
2. Cal was in comfortable control and…
3. The Stanford student section tried to stop the wave… but it picked itself up on the other side of their section.
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by secret ASian man on
Sep 1, 2008 1:46 AM PDT
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That game was awesome for how we took over their ginormous stadium.
by sec119 on
Sep 1, 2008 8:57 AM PDT
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there was a wave? i was sitting in the student section, and i didn’t notice it. i guess that means it must have been pretty lame….
by giantfan5 on
Sep 1, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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I was embarrassed and ashamed by the actions of a lot of the fans around me.
So he threw an interception. Okay… Give him a chance—he just threw a freaking awesome long bomb downfield that you all LOVED. Okay…he threw another interception. It’s not YOUR call to take him off of the field, and your booing is not going to change anyone’s mind. Tedford make the RIGHT choice in giving the offence a second chance and mad the RIGHT choice in taking him out of play.
Not only was there booing of Longshore (at the drop of a hat, of course), but many of our fans were generally mean-spirited to begin with.
With nearly 4 minutes left, a large chant of the “Goodbye” song started. 4 minutes! MSU tried very hard to come back, and very well could have. There were also chants of “Pac 10 Football” and a lot of people were chanting whilst simultaneously double-flipping-off the MSU sections.
All of the MSU fans that I encountered yesterday were decent to me and respectable people. It’s too bad that I can’t say the same thing about our fans. They were doing things that we only reserve for U$C, things that Michigan State—and Longshore—did NOT deserve.
by thenick on
Aug 31, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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I must have been sitting far from you. The MSU fans I saw were obnoxious and rude (though I assume this was a small minority of them). There was one guy just to the right of the student section who kept going on and on every time MSU had any big play. There was also a group of MSU fans near section V who were antagonizing the crowd at one point.
It made me miss the Tennessee fans. They were very nice people. Still, the MSU fans were delightful compared to USC fans.
by Berkelium97 on
Aug 31, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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I'm fuming and completely ashamed.
I hardly heard the boo-ing over the TV, but after reading the first hand accounts… I’m frickn furious.
Berk, what the hell is up with the spirit squad leaders… were they just standing there? Isn’t it their duty to lead and control the crowd and tell them when to make noise and when to shut up… and sometimes when to just act like decent citizens?
Here’s what Riley had to say about it in the press conf:
“I don’t think it’s really respectful of the fans to boo one of our players,” he finally said. “Nate went in there and played well. They don’t even know what happened on the (interceptions). He’s a teammate, a friend. He went in there and did his best. Things didn’t work out the way he wanted them to. That’s about it.”
The bottom line is it’s counterproductive… do they think by some miracle the boo-ing will make a player better…? In all likelihood it mind-fucks the player in question and damages his faith in his own abilities AND kills of a key component of his motivation – winning to please the fans… boo-ing doesn’t make him want to please the fans… he most likely will begin to hate the fans.
It’s stupid, rude and counterproductive.
by danzig on
Aug 31, 2008 12:29 PM PDT
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You know what, you’re right. I did not realize it then, but the mic men (and girl) did absolutely nothing to try to quiet down the student section when they were booing Longshore. That is a huge failure on their part. They really should have told everyone to stop booing or at least try to distract them by getting us to chant “Go Bears” or something.
by Berkelium97 on
Aug 31, 2008 1:25 PM PDT
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They did absolutely nothing
And even those people auditioning for the mic men did nothing
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Aug 31, 2008 5:45 PM PDT
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THAT...
…is embarassing. In the good ol’ days the mic men had the balls to tell the entire section to shut it.
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Aug 31, 2008 8:12 PM PDT
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She definitely had balls!
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 1, 2008 9:11 AM PDT
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yeah,
i have to say the mic men (and girl) were kinda useless. actually, they were the ones that started the “Pac-10 Football” chant, which i thought was a bit lame. there were tons of complaints about the girl, who people described as being like “nails on chalkboard,” and the 4th quarter dude was kind of losing his voice
by giantfan5 on
Sep 1, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
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What was with all the MSU fans leaving early?
It was “Goodbye” to the fans who were on their way to the exits. I’ve never seen so many people leaving a game when their team was still technically in it. Were they hoping to make it back to East Lansing that evening? Trying to catch a Michael Moore documentary downtown? Had some foxes to play with? (http://www.historywiz.com/didyouknow/spartanfamily.htm)
My part of the student section wasn’t as cruel towards Nate as what’s being described here. And after the 50-yarder, I thought he was on his way back. Oh well.
by royb on
Aug 31, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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I think most Cal students boo because they think it’s their job and because they don’t look beyond their acts towards the implications of their acts. Frankly, I think they just do it because they think “it’s the thing to do.” It’s social custom to boo something you don’t like. But what these fans don’t realize is that this is a different and unique situation. These are college players out there, fan negativity doesn’t make productivity, and it makes our fans look like asses in the eyes of recruits who may be in attendance for the game. There are many more compelling reasons NOT to boo but not a single really strong and compelling reason to boo.
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by HydroTech on
Aug 31, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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USC fans are more bandwagonish than us and they boo their team all the time. No, I don’t think being booed on a Saturday six-seven times a year hurts recruiting. Not having an athletic center hurts us more than anything else..
by BearsNecessity on
Sep 1, 2008 1:39 AM PDT
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Absolutely Not.
I feel really sorry for Nate, actually. He spent an entire offseason being hated on by the fans, lost a close competition during training camp, and all he wanted to do was prove himself to the fans yesterday. He obviously failed in a huge way. It must suck for him. However, no one needs to tell him that he did something wrong. I have a hunch that he knows that already, because Nate Longshore is not an idiot. College athletes should never be booed and I was disappointed to hear people booing last night. I hope that Longshore gets some chance to prove himself against WSU next week even though I strongly feel that Kevin Riley is our #1 for the duration.
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on
Aug 31, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
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Ugggghhhh!
I was deeply disturbed by the booing and classless behavior of the student section (e.g., flipping off Longshore). It’s important to convey the notion to the student section in particular, fans in general, that it’s not okay to boo our own players.
It used to be that our fans were funny, classy, and quick-witted, and it was the Cal football team that stank up the joint. Now that situaton seems to have flipped, and it’s the team that is far classier than it’s fans. It’s a sad situation, and it’s my hope that we can fix it (starting with the mic men(err, persons), as someone already suggested).
by RickySanchez on
Aug 31, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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As said above, the mic mean FAILED. The brainless chanting to the tune of “ov-er-ray-ted” and the classless booing is 100% due to their complete ineptitude.
by zoonews on
Aug 31, 2008 8:15 PM PDT
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Oops: “mic mean” = “mic men” = “lame retards”
by zoonews on
Aug 31, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
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Would the results of the above poll have been different if it had been worded: “should any cal player be booed?”
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by HydroTech on
Aug 31, 2008 5:20 PM PDT
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The way the poll is worded, it makes it sound like this is about Longshore. But it isn’t, is it? This is about booing Cal players in general. It just so happens that the only Cal player that fans currently feel like booing is Longshore.
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by HydroTech on
Aug 31, 2008 5:21 PM PDT
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Given the title of the FanPost, I feel reasonably sure that the poll is aptly worded.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 6:04 PM PDT
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yes, the poll is worded aptly considering the title of the fanpost but this should be about not booing any cal player not just longshore. I say this because it might be possible that some people voted on “yes” just because it’s Longshore. Whereas those same people might have voted “no” if it was any Cal player.
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by HydroTech on
Aug 31, 2008 10:17 PM PDT
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We’ve done that poll before (I linked to it in the post). The percentages seem to be much lower for any Cal player, so it appears the situation changes when it’s Longshore.
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 10:34 PM PDT
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Hydro, why are you still working on the Longshore statue? Put that chisel down and get your ass into the Hall of Riley. We’ve got frescoes to create!
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 1, 2008 7:05 AM PDT
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For the benefit of those not there, we actually didn’t hear any booing on the alumni side where I was… only a smattering of cheers and, “oh, look, here comes Nate!” So it wasn’t a huge obvious full stadium boo, it was limited to the dumb students. I even had a friend in QQ, admittedly not tuned into such things, who said that she didn’t really notice it. Still, very poor form. Don’t pay money to boo your own team. It reveals to the world that you are a complete asshole.
by zoonews on
Aug 31, 2008 8:27 PM PDT
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I don’t need anymore help to reveal my asshole-ness.
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by TwistNHook on
Aug 31, 2008 8:30 PM PDT
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I see 10 votes for yes.
Yet no explanations as to why in the comments. Anyone care to play Devil’s Advocate?
by BearsNecessity on
Aug 31, 2008 10:10 PM PDT
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The Devil Himself
I was in Q and nobody booed Longshore when he went in. In fact they and I were happy and interested in seeing him play. There are a lot of things he does well. I don’t remember a lot of people if any booing the first INT. We were definitely surprised that Tedford put him back in immediately but no booing.
The second INT however loudly booed.
Was the INT booed. Yes.
Was Longshore booed. Yes.
Was Tedford booed. Yes. [Tedford made a fucking HUGE mistake putting him back in.]
I’ve said this before but silence is acquiescence. We can cheer. We can sit there. We can boo. I was surrounded by a ton of passionate knowledgeable supportive fans absolutely locked onto the game. They were there. They were loud. And they booed.
You may not like this but there is good and bad in each of us. Don’t expect perfection from us.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Aug 31, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
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I sure as hell ain’t perfect. I almost went to Southern Cal for undergrad. What a mistake that would have been!
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by HydroTech on
Aug 31, 2008 10:18 PM PDT
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I think you’re perfect.
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 1, 2008 7:07 AM PDT
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Well you’re not exactly known for making good calls.
I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.
by Maharg on
Sep 1, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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so did i. might have actually gone if they had given me a bigger scholarship.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Sep 1, 2008 10:06 AM PDT
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Only a mistake in hindsight
Nate looked ok on the first series, and I think it would have sent the wrong message (to all QBs) if he pulled him after the first INT: 1 fuck-up and you’re out. Riley now knows that he’s not going to get pulled the first time he throws an INT.
And hey, he settled the QB controversy right?
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Sep 1, 2008 6:30 AM PDT
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I do agree with you about putting him in the second time. A lot of people were like “WTF” but you HAVE to give him that second chance or else his confidence is ruined. And yes it sucked that he threw that 2nd int, but I feel putting him in the 2nd time absolved Tedford of blame instead of creating more.
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 1, 2008 7:07 AM PDT
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exactly
and not only that, putting in Longshore immediately after a huge mistake sends a message to Riley that Tedford doesn’t have a quick QB hook, and that Riley won’t be pulled at the first bonehead mistake he makes.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Sep 1, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
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true,
but I would have thought Tedford’s lack of quick QB hook was pretty well established over the last 7 games of 2007.
by bearsglory on
Sep 1, 2008 12:23 PM PDT
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Tedford was 100% correct in putting Longshore back in even after the 1st INT. Rags is definitely correct in saying that it shows Riley that Tedford won’t pull Riley after Riley’s first mistake.
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by HydroTech on
Sep 1, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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In the Southwestern corner of the stadium...
There were very obvious boos – one of which was a ~70 year old dude right behind me. So it wasn’t entirely the students. My response was to sarcastically yell, “Booing makes things better!”
I think what bothers me most isn’t as much the disrespect to amateur athletes trying their best (though it is despicable) is how friggin’ stupid it is. There’s no way in hell it helps and it will almost certainly make things worse. Hydro’s example of scaring recruits being a great example I had never even thought of before.
BTW, the micpersons do seem to suck this year. My lady and I went to the pregame band performance (when you can actually get close and hear the halftime songs!) and their attempts to get the crowd excited and chanting were both sad in their execution and their volume. It would be my guess that they don’t have the bravery to challenge a few thousand angry drunk people – an important trait amongst micpersons.
In conclusion, sometimes the crowd mentality sucks.
by norcalnick on
Sep 1, 2008 12:42 AM PDT
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The one mic man who did the 1st quarter last game was pretty good.
But nothing like the longhaired tall guy from last year, or Kate. But then again no one will be like Kate.
by Spazzy Mcgee on
Sep 1, 2008 10:39 AM PDT
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Obviously
I’m anit-booing of any players.
As for the “Na na na na na, hey hey hey, good-bye” it really makes me cringe, because I know that in 1993 Cal had a 21-7 lead on UW and their fans were leaving, and the student section sang this with about 5 minutes left. And long time Cal fans will know what happened (as I remember it, touchdown, onside kick, recover, touchdown, some shennanigans, field goal. Game UW)
So I, Leon Powe, hate the goodbye song.
by LeonPowe on
Sep 1, 2008 2:16 AM PDT
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And I, James Posey, agree with my team-mate here. I nearly got in a fight with some guy behind me over that shit. When they were chanting it (in section lower R) with about 4 or 5 minutes to go, I turned around and yelled “Shut up! Shut up! What are you doing? There’s still about 4 minutes left. Anything can happen.” Then, when they scored to get 31 points, I turned around and yelled “Why don’t you guys shut the fuck up now?” and some dude was all “Why don’t you shut the fuck up now” and it ended awkwardly.
What’s the lesson here, kids? Never try to tell drunken football fans what to do, even if they are acting inane.
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 1, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
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HAHAHA. I had an internal debate about whether to ask the drunk/coked out dudes in front of me to stop being asshats, but I think it would have ended similarly.
by sec119 on
Sep 1, 2008 9:05 AM PDT
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As someone who sat in the student section
i was pretty upset by the booing. i feel like that was a really isolated part of what we did for the game though. stupid and regrettable, yes, but we did a lot of good stuff throughout the rest of the game. i was really happy with our volume, despite the mic men apparently not understanding the tv timeouts and telling us to get loud a full minute or 2 before they were even back from break…
also: so much secondhand smoke! cough cough
by giantfan5 on
Sep 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
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Man… the smoke was NASTY. We had it in Section R (a.k.a. the overflow student section where latecomers and idiots who were standing in the band section had to go to).
by thenick on
Sep 1, 2008 11:19 AM PDT
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Tightwad perspective
I couldn’t hear or see the anti-Nate activities from up on Tightwad, but it comes as no surprise. I was one of two tightwads who clapped for Nate when he came out. The failings of last year’s season are in the past, so let’s move on. This is a new season with new, very promising possibilities.
Nate was surely trying his hardest when he came out. It wasn’t like an Ayoobian puff puff “oh, they want me to throw the ball now? Sweet!”
Booing is just not cool, unless a player is doing something detrimental to the team for his own self-interest. There were times when I thought DeSean’s arrogance and selfish play deserved booing, which is far different from Longshore trying his best to perform at a level that he seems unable to achieve again. I feel sorry for him. Don’t kick a person when they’re down AND trying their best.
Everybody else has said what I have to say, and in far more eloquent ways, but I’d like to add something new to the conversation:
Anybody thought about handing out a “manners sheet” to the students waiting to get in? Obviously the mic men aren’t going to discipline (a shame), and we don’t exactly touch the whole student section here, sooooooo…
It would be pretty quick and easy to compile the classier thoughts expressed throughout this and other threads, put them onto a handbill-sized piece of paper, and Kinko’s off the whole lot for less than $10.
I think that would make a real difference.
The student section is cliquey, people do as others do, and when they’re frustrated and want to focus their negative energy, it apparently comes out mutinously with little thought for the repercussions. That’s a big chunk of what being a college student is about, right? Doing things without thinking of the repercussions. The vast majority of those 18,19, and 20 year-olds certainly wouldn’t be yelling “f***ing Longshore!” if their moms and dads were standing next to them…I might be an optimist, but I’ll wager that a little appeal to reason and a dash of finger wagging (let’s not become like $C fans) would probably go a long way.
The last three seasons I worked my way into the SS in one way or another, and it was very disappointing to see all the hostility towards the Bears. The season when I sat in the Blue Zone was the best I’ve had while inside Memorial. Every week I’d show up by myself and squeeze into the best seat I could find. Every game, people all around would befriend me and chit chat about the game, high five during big plays, and keep things on the positive tip. When a cantankerous elderly man ragged on (of all people) Marshawn, people expressed their relief when he left, saying things like we have on this blog. In the SS, however, no befriending took place, there were girls wearing fashionably(?) destroyed gameday shirts sitting on the benches and facing away from the field while they chatted on their phones, guys purposefully throwing wadded-up cards at girls and whoever else they wanted to pick on, there was a lot of “f***ing this and f***ing that and f***ing Tedford” and whatever other f***ing thing you can think of, and there just wasn’t much awesomeness to be found (minus the view).
I think our SS needs a big dose of manners and perspective.
Get them when they walk in the door. That’s how to make a change.
I don’t just talk game. I don’t know why I suggested for somebody else to do this when I really want to do it, so I’m going to do it. I’ll be ready with my handbills for the WSU game, and it would be great if other people could help me. I can take care of the compiling, printing, and cutting, but there are thousands of students and I’ve only got two hands.
Anybody want to help me distribute before the Colorado State game? Pretty please?
by Cavedwellingbear on
Sep 1, 2008 2:52 PM PDT
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It's not going to happen
The student section is hopelessly fairweather. A lot of them are freshmen who are just there for the free tickets, so they’re too easily swayed with their friends. A fair amount of the fratters are far more interested in getting drunk and laid, so they just scream loud and act outrageous to draw attention to themselves.
Plus it’s not like Cal students are usually big football fans to begin with—they go to the games and head to their problem sets or house parties right after, and don’t reflect much on the games outside of Saturday. There are few diehards, and they all sit near the bottom. The people who think the way you do are in the minority, and I expect will remain that way.
Additionally, the rules of etiquette you suggest might just make the crowd even softer, like Michigan’s. It’s hard enough to rile anyone outside the student section. All the adrenaline that’s flowing will definitely be muted if students aren’t venting their emotions, both good and bad. Is it worth it? Debatable.
Nevertheless, you get a rec for me. Awesome post.
by BearsNecessity on
Sep 1, 2008 4:42 PM PDT
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Ya, it’s been tough as a transfer who is a die hard college sports fan to find kids here who share that passion… especially living in foothill… most of the kids here weren’t even aware they could have easily gotten free season tickets. SS definitely has some passionate fans, but also a lot of what Bearsnecessity was noticing as well…
That being said, I’d love to hear from any fellow students who read this, and have room for one more semi-crazed fan in their game-day group.
by Itchy25 on
Sep 1, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
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As long as Cal continues to attract fairweather fans, we’ll have this problem with the students who don’t really know how to act at the games. Fortunately, getting there early and sitting closer to the bottom (generally anywhere below row 40) makes it easier to avoid those fans.
I lay blame with some of the poor behavior on the mic leaders. Except for the plays on the field, they are the primary sources for getting the student section riled up. They should use that control properly and try to get everyone to be a little more respectful (ie. not booing) when things don’t go perfectly. If they did tell people to stop booing, not everyone would stop. But I think far more people would stop than if they didn’t say anything (which forces someone like Kevin Riley to try to intervene). We can’t educate all the fans and expect them to listen, but it can’t hurt for the mic leaders to try.
And (irrelevantly), I would be thrilled if the mic leaders actually started to tell students to make noise when the opposing team is in the huddle. What good is crowd noise if the opponents have almost silence to huddle up and discuss their next play? I can’t be completely certain of this, but at least once I heard a mic person tell us to wait for the opposing team to get lined up and then make noise-all this while they’re in the huddle.
by Berkelium97 on
Sep 1, 2008 5:23 PM PDT
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The Mic Men are often as bad as the fairweather fans. With a few exceptions, they don’t know much about football and about the important times to make noise; they just memorize procedure and go by the book. They’re mostly there for good front-row tickets to games.
by BearsNecessity on
Sep 1, 2008 6:09 PM PDT
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agree about the mic man
if you really want to change the student section culture, it starts with them. granted, it usually takes a couple years for one of them to get good at it, so you’ve got maybe one good senior and some clueless other guys, but that’s where i’d take the fight.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Sep 1, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
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Kate was a ballbuster, and I loved her
Kate was totally one to say ‘alright now, lets put all that energy into our noise’. She knew how to redirect the crowd to the appropriate outlet. That takes guts and confidence. It’s not about being the center of attention, which it seems these mic-people are all about.
Additionally, Kate knew how to work the microphone, which seriously needs to be taught to these kids before my eardrums ring with a thousand squeaks. The microphone raises your pitch, so talk lower.
by AndBears on
Sep 2, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
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What if your voice is a high pitched squeal at all times?
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by TwistNHook on
Sep 2, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
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I was just at the Longhorns game last Saturday
and I noticed the same thing – total freakin’ silence while the other team huddles, and then calls to “Make Noise” on the scoreboard etc… when they line up. I thought it was stupid, but not stupid enough to start yelling by myself while there was complete silence around me.
by bearsglory on
Sep 2, 2008 7:16 PM PDT
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I do think it would be nice to make noise when the opposing team is in the huddle but then we have the whole stamina problem. If the crowd is going to make noise while the opposing offense is in the huddle, that means the crowd is going to have to be yelling for about 20-25 seconds until the ball is snapped. That’s sort of a long time.
I’ve noticed that when the mic people do get the crowd to make noise when the opposing offense is in the huddle, the noise slowly goes down after 10-15 seconds.
In my opinion, the most critical time to make noise is when the offense is at the LOS and not in the huddle. Thus, I think I’d rather have the crowd be more loud at the LOS than in the huddle. It’d be nice to have both but I think when we take into account the reality of the situation – most of us can’t really be that loud for a full 25 seconds on every play the opposing offense is on the field – we just have to live with the fact that we’re only going to be loud at the LOS.
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by HydroTech on
Sep 2, 2008 8:17 PM PDT
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I've noticed that the best way to get fans to make more noise is to get them liquored up.
That would lead to more boos though. Oh, the dilemmas!
by BearsNecessity on
Sep 3, 2008 5:36 AM PDT
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More boos or more booze?
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by Maharg on
Sep 3, 2008 8:45 AM PDT
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My favorite kids in the SS are the hardcore party people who are OUT OF CONTROL LOUD during the first half… and during the second half can be found sitting down with head in hands, trying to stop those awful awful spins…
by Itchy25 on
Sep 3, 2008 1:53 PM PDT
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More Riley quotes on Longshore
Kevin Riley talked a little bit more about the disappointment of hearing fans boo Nate Longshore: "I remember my first game I ever went to at Cal it was Joe (Ayoob) against USC. From the first pass he threw, they were booing him," Riley said. "I was like, ‘God, I hope that’s not me.’ (Longshore) goes to school here and represents the school. It didn’t go his way.
"Yeah, they can be upset because bad things happen, but it’s tough going through that. Nate went through a lot last year as well. Nate is a strong kid so I don’t think it will bother him that much."
Heh, kid. Nate is older than Riley by a few months isn’t he?
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Sep 3, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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