Know Thy Enemy: Michigan State
With the season upon us, it's time to scout out Michigan State and its offense . For those of you who would like to also read a more general overview of Michigan State on both sides of the ball, please see our "Previewing the Season: Michigan State" post.
The first and most obvious thing to do in scouting Michigan State's offense is to figure out how often they are going to run and pass. The official statistics from ESPN show that Michigan State passed the ball 393 times last year. This number includes pass attempts by 2nd and 3rd string QBs, as well as from other utility players (RB, WR).
As for running, statistics show Michigan State rushed 580 times last year. But 47 of those rushes were from a combination of QB sacks and/or QB scrambles by Spartan QB Brian Hoyer. 29 of those 47 were sacks, meaning Hoyer scrambled on designed runs or on his own accord 18 times. For the sake of simplicity, instead of going through game logs to figure out if Hoyer ran on designed QB runs or scrambled on pass plays, we'll just count those 18 plays as pass plays on the assumption that Hoyer never ran on a designed run (this does leave out a small amount of plays such as QB sneaks but those are so few and far between they shouldn't influence the statistics that much). So, we'll subtract out those 47 runs by Hoyer from Michigan State's total rush attempts, thus the Spartans rushed the ball 533 times (580-47=533).
Now we need to adjust the passing statistics to add the 47 plays on which Hoyer was supposed to pass but ended up running (we are afterall trying to figure out how often the play call was run or pass not how often the offense actually ran or passed). So adding the 47 pass attempts that ended up as runs to the actual pass attempts, we see that the Spartans passed the ball 440 times (393+47=440).
Thus, Michigan state passed the ball 440 times and ran the ball 533 times for a total of 973 total plays. Doing a little dividing, we can see that Michigan State calls a pass play 45.2% of the time (440/973=.452) and Michigan State calls a run play 54.8% of the time (1-.452=.548). Thus, it appears as Michigan State is a fairly balanced attacking offense with a very slight tendency to run.
That's the quick skinny. Now let's look at the fat (formations and pictures after the jump).
So what follows is a quick (very quick) and narrow overview of the Spartan offense. This portion of the post is intended to make you more familiar with the Spartan offense so you can better predict what the play may be as you watch the game yourself, as well as help you understand a few Spartan concepts. Instead of putting highly detailed multi-frames per play breakdowns (such as I did in the Armed Forces Bowl analysis), instead I'm going to sacrifice a little quality to get more quantity. I hope you don't mind. Thus, instead of showing what happens in one play through 5 pictures, I'm going to show you one screen shot and just draw the action. In all of the following pictures, Michigan State is the team in green.
Basic runs out of spread formations:

3 WR set with backside guard pull on a run (guard pull = red line; ball carrier= gold line)
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4 WR set with backside guard pull (guard pull = red; ball carrier = gold)
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Power runs:

Base personnel (2 WRs, 1 TE, 2 backs) with a power run towards the strength (the side with the TE).
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Michigan State offense is in the Maryland I-Formation when against their own goalline. Note: there are 3 backs in the backfield and no WRs. Michigan State will also use this formation when threatening at their opponent's goalline.
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A few wrinkles in the I-Formation:

Michigan State has base personnel on the field (2 WRs, 1 TE, 2 backs) in an I-formation. The play is an option play where the QB can choose to either hand the ball off to the RB or throw to the slot WR on the bubble screen based on what the defense shows pre-snap. This play gives flexibility to the offense because it can attack the weakness of the defense by choosing the better play. On this play, because the slot WR was covered, MSU QB Hoyer chose to hand off the ball. Cal runs this very same play and concept.
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MSU is in base personnel (2 WRs, 1 TE, 2 backs). Pre-snap motion from the flanker WR. After the snap, the QB fakes the weakside run (red line) then hands the ball off the WR on an end around (yellow line).
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Playaction:

Once again, MSU is in base personnel. MSU puts the flanker WR (the WR to the offense's right) in motion. After the snap the offense fakes a counter run left (the QB drops back turning over his right shoulder but then fakes the counter run with a fake handoff to the offense's left, and the RB steps right but goes left). The MSU offense also pulls the backside guard (the RG) for protection and has the fullback fill the spot vacated by the RG. The SE WR (split end WR) clears out the left side of the defense with a deep route, and the FL WR (flanker WR) who was in motion pre-snap, runs a sail route underneath the SE WR into the seam of the defensive coverage. This play went for a big first down.
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MSU has base personnel on the field (2 WRs, 1 TE, 2 backs) and is in a strong-I formation. This play is similar to the previous play. MSU puts the FL WR in motion pre-snap (the WR to the offense's right goes in motion to the slot position on the offense's left). After the snap, the offense fakes a counter run left (the QB drops back turning over his right shoulder but then fakes the counter run with a fake handoff to the offense's left, and the RB steps right but goes left). The MSU offense also pulls the backside guard (the RG) for protection and has the fullback fill the spot vacated by the RG. The FL WR who was in pre-snap motion runs a wheel route behind the SE WR who runs a curl.
Note that both the previous plays occur out of similar formations (I-formation and strong-I formation). They both utilize the same playaction blocking and deception scheme, and they both attack the defense deep and on one side of the field to overload a defensive zone.
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MSU offense uses lots of motion:

One common theme I noticed when watching this game was the frequency of pre-snap motion (both on run and pass plays). MSU uses motion to confuse the defense, and determine whether the defense is in man or zone. This play above uses motion. The three plays prior to this play used pre-snap motion. One of MSU's tendencies is that they will often run the play in the direction of the motion. In the play above, MSU puts their second TE in motion from their left to right, and runs a screen play to the RB to the right. In the three plays prior to this play, you'll see that the plays unfold to the direction of the motion.
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Continuing on this theme of motion, the play above uses motion. MSU puts the H-back in motion from the offense's right to left, then back from the left to the right before the snap. The final motion of the H-back was from the offense's left to right and the offense ran the ball to the right. MSU also pulled the backside guard (LG) on this play.
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The play incorporates both pre-snap motion but also the concept of attacking one side of the defense in particular. While this play is not a playaction play, it is very similar to the two plays I showed in the "playaction" section.
MSU is in shotgun with 3 WRs. They use pre-snap motion bringing the slot WR from their left to right. After the snap, the slot WR runs a streak and the SE WR runs an inside comeback. This WR combination is very similar to the second play in the the "playaction" section above. Both plays push one WR deep and the other on a curl. This WR route combination attacks a defensive zone by making a defender choose between defending the lower defender and possibly giving up a deep pass, or choosing to defend the higher defender and giving up a short pass. On this particular play, Penn State was in a cover 2 defense and the cornerback chose to cover the short curl leaving the slot WR running the streak uncovered. MSU QB Brian Hoyer threw to the slot WR for a would-be-deep-completion (WR dropped the ball).
In summary, the play above uses motion (to the right) and the play attacks to the right which goes along with MSU's tendency to run the play in the direction of the motion.
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The Hoyer factor:

MSU QB Brian Hoyer will be a senior this year. His experience shows on the field. In the play above, Hoyer changes the play. Hoyer recognizes that the Penn State linebackers are shifted to the offense's left (I put a box around the PSU linebackers). Hoyer recognizes that PSU has left their best WR Devin Thomas (who has now graduated) one on one in man coverage against a PSU cornerback (red line). Hoyer also recognizes that there are not any other PSU defenders close enough to the CB to really help cover WR Devin Thomas. Hoyer changes the play to a quick pass to Devin Thomas on a hitch. Hoyer throws the ball to Devin Thomas (yellow line), Thomas stiff-arms the PSU CB and runs for a touchdown.
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Bullet point summary:
*MSU will run approximately 55% of the time and pass about 45% of the time.
*MSU will use lots of motion.
*MSU will almost always run the play in the direction of the motion.
*MSU will attack deep and short with WR combination routes to the same side of the field.
*MSU will use the Maryland I-formation when close to their or their opponent's goalline.
*MSU QB Brian Hoyer can and will change the play at the LOS so overloading one side of the offense is not advisable.
*MSU will set up passing by first establishing the run with Ringer and using playaction.
*MSU's most common personnel sets: 21 personnel (2 WRs, 2 RBs, 1 TE); 12 personnel (2 WRs, 1 RB, 2 TEs); 11 personnel (3 WRs, 1 RB, 1 TE).
*MSU's uncommon personnel sets: 10 personnel (4 WRs, 1 RB, 0 TE); and 32 personnel (0 WRs, 3 RBs, 2 TEs).
*MSU mostly uses man blocking schemes with pulling backside guards.
*Few to none designed QB runs other than QB sneaks.
*MSU will use read plays including run&bubble screen combinations as well as zone read plays from shotgun.
*MSU rarely moves the pocket but will waggle the QB and use the occassional QB naked boot with dumps to the TE and FB.
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Great analysis, very interesting read.
A couple of questions:
- Is Hoyer very mobile – is he a threat to keep it on a zone read? You say they run the zone out of the shotgun but also that there are few designed QB runs, so I’m not sure.
- The guard-pull/FB fill blocking scheme on play passes is interesting – is this just to sell the counter or does it serve another purpose?
- 2 routes on one side doesn’t seem like too much of an overload – shouldn’t a 2-deep handle that assuming it is well executed?
- Penn State is in a 4-3, how do you think our 3-4 will match up?
Thanks man, great post.
Question 1 – Yeah, I realized my comment regarding there being few designed runs and there being the rare zone read from shotgun could sound contradictory. Let me clarify. I wouldn’t expect to see Hoyer running any fancy QB keeper plays where he runs with the ball by design. A zone read of course, could be a handoff or could be a QB keep so in my mind it’s slightly different because there is the option whereas a designed QB draw for example is designed for the QB to run with the ball from the start no matter what. So I woudn’t expect to see doing any fancy QB draws or naked boots where he is supposed to run for the first down himself. But you may see the occasional zone read and the occasional naked bootleg.
Hoyer is not that mobile. I think his best asset is his accuracy when he has time to throw. He’s a senior so he has plenty of experience (2 years prior to this year, I think) and thus if he has time to throw he’ll usually get the ball there and in the right spot. If was I was DC, I’d try and pressure him, and get him to use his legs and make a play with his legs rather than his arm.
Question 2 – The backside guard pull with fullback fill is to sell the counter run playaction. The backside guard is pulled to help in pass protection to the play side, and the fullback fills the gap vacated by the backside guard. As I noted, the RB steps one step to the backside to sell the counter but then runs to playside. So to answer your question, the complex blocking scheme of the guard, fullback, and runningback are all to sell the playaction off of the counter run.
Question 3 – you’re right, two routes isn’t that much of an overload. But a 2-deep won’t necessarily handle that attack. It depends what kind of two-deep coverage we’re talking about. If it’s a cover two (two deep safeties with 5 underneath zones) it can be susceptible to the very attacks I illustrated above by attacking the seam over the CBs and outside of the safeties. In fact, I believe MSU purposely ran those plays I illustrated above to attack PSU’s cover two defense and did in fact convert a few passes off of those attacks against that cover 2 defense. On the other hand, if the defense is a two-deep with two deep safeties and man coverage on the WRs, the defense should be okay as long as the corners can cover.
Question 4 – our 3-4 wouldn’t be an ideal match against the Maryland-I formation and may not be the best against some of MSU’s unusual 3 TE non-goalline packages. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us use the 4-3 when MSU goes to more run heavy personnel packages. On the other hand, I believe our 3-4 will match up decently well against their regular I-formations (strong, and weak included). As usual, I also believe our 3-4 will match up well against MSU’s 3-WR sets. Last few years we used a lot of 3-3-5 to counter spread formations, but because I think DC Gregory would prefer to use the 3-4 defense in order to have a 4th LB on the field instead of a 3rd safety or CB as you would with the 3-3-5.
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by HydroTech on Aug 26, 2008 4:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Addition to my answer for Question 2:
The backside guard pull helps with pass protection but it also sells the counter run too. Basically, MSU is using a run blocking scheme for a passing play… more or less. Cal has started doing the same thing in the past year but very very sparingly (I could probably count the instances on one hand).
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Good stuff
I agree that putting pressure on the QB will be one of the keys all year but especially with an experienced guy who is not that mobile. It was so missing last year.
I don’t know if Young is a good blitzer, but it would great if we can keep offenses guessing with outside pressure from Follett and/or Young. If our DEs can command double teams, we should create some mismatches for blitzing LBs. I don’t know how they line up, but I would love to see Davis and Follett coming on the same side. I hope we don’t sit back hoping for 3 DLs to create pressure.
Enough about Michigan State!
What can you tell me about Riley’s sperm count, and how does it compare to Longshore going into the season last year?
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Hey, sperm count is the one statistic that has been missing. I just want the complete picture before the game.
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That The Maharg is a real menace isn’t he?
Now, back to football. See, each team has 4 attempts to go 10 yards. However, in most situations it is essentially 3, because on the 4th, the team will kick the ball down the field in what is called a “punt.”
You guys want to get pen and paper or something?
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Maybe if you used the preview button, you wouldn’t need them.
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Maybe if you used the shut the hell up button, we wouldn’t need to edit.
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● Yeah, maybe if you used the shut the hell up button, we wouldn’t need to edit.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
Thanks for the bullet point. I was confused as to what The Maharg was saying.
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Too long to read, can I get a bullet point summary?
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Stop trying to control my formatting!!!!
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Thank you OskiMonsta for returning us to the important topics. Damn Twist and his formatting demands and issues.
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The above post is an intellectually disingenuous recount of prior events.
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I’d have to get somebody to give me a definition of “intellectually disingenuous” first before I can answer that quesiton.
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I’d love some fries, I’d also love a breakdown of number of fries eaten by each player on the team.
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This was a great post until this thread of nonsense.
by OskiWeeWee on Aug 26, 2008 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, that’s kind of standard operating procedure around here. perhaps if we could limit twist, maharg, and olsonist to 10 comments per day, we could control this madness. [cue watercube reference]
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
someone go find that t-shirt of phelps’ sperm way ahead of the pack so we can settle the debate once and for all.
hahaha where did you find that???
(i am aware that i am probably the last person on the planet to know about it)
by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Aug 26, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Video
Where do you get the video of old games?
I tried doing that with Cal games from 2007, but they never had enough people seeding. I would download at only around 5-15kbps. Eventually I just gave up.
by Berkelium97 on Aug 26, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The best time to download is during the season the few weeks after the game when there are hundreds of people downloading and seeding. So get your computer ready for the upcoming season.
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That’s what I was thinking. I wasn’t too surprised that no one was seeding any Cal games during July. I’ll definitely do this to save space on my dvr. Thanks for the heads up.
by Berkelium97 on Aug 26, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks. I had no idea people put them up there.
Now, I’m just going to show my complete ignorance of anything technological, how do you get screen grabs of the game?
Look at your keyboard. Depending on whether you’re using a desktop or a laptop, the location of the “Prnt Scrn” button will vary but it’s usually towards the top rightof a laptop keyboard and near the page up down buttons of a desktop (i think).
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unless he's on a mac
which doesn’t have a ‘print screen’ key. command-shift-3 will work instead, though. command-shift-4 allows partial screen captures — it’s pretty cool.
btw, vanman, you are not the first person to ask this question. nor will you be the last.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Maybe you guys should post a full-detail how-to post about capturing images. Then, when people ask over and over, you can just point them to that post. And make them feel stupid. Or you could even link it in the sidebar or something.
Either way, Hydro, I’m always impressed. Seems like a lot of work.
by RemorsefulBruinBabe on Aug 26, 2008 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
that sounds like a good idea
though it may be a project for the offseason…or at least a bye week.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
You know, I just realized I told you what button to press but not what else to do. Once you press the “prnt scrn” button, go to photoshop or some other equivalent program where you can make and edit photos, then paste (control + v) the image into the program. It should paste the image that you captured on your screen to photoshop. There you can edit, crop, etc.
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So much more helpful than Ragnarok, or as I like to call him Mr “Wait for the Offseason”
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That’s what his wife calls him, too.
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It’s OK, Ragnarok, my wife calls me “Mr. That’s It?”
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My special lady friend calls me “Mr. It’s It” but that’s because I’m an ice cream delivery man, not for any other reasons.
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It must be difficult to deliver all that iced cream when you can barely leave your computer.
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I'm worried about their power running against our 3-4
Hill and Kane have been banged up for most of fall camp, and Nose Tackle was one of the biggest questions going into the season. I hope our guys are up to the task
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Yeah, I think stopping the run is the key to our whole season. After last year I think our D-line is guilty until proven innocent. I really don’t want to suffer through another UW-type deal again. That was bitter.
I think we have a lot more depth this year – easier of course when you only put out 3 players. I think guys got worn down last year, but we have 3 NTs on the depth chart, plus I think we also have Costanzo who is decent. Not to mention the “Bemoll experiment” – if nothing else the guy is like 400 lbs and should take up some space!
It hinges on Rulon’s health. Stay healthy, Rulon. Stay healthy!
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I'm actually really excited for our DEs
by all accounts, Rulon and Alualu had great camps, and their back ups, Cameron Jordan and Ernest Owusu, were magnificent in the spring. I think this group will put a lot of pressure on opposing QBs this season, which would be a welcome change from the last 3 years.
The Nose Tackle position is what concerns me. These guys didn’t stand out as much as the DEs in the spring, and Hill and Kane were banged up for much of the fall. I am worried about Ringer getting 6 yards a pop right up the middle.
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