Interesting Quotes and Insights from Dickey
Glenn Dickey published an article a few days ago with some GREAT quotes from Tedford regarding our QBs. Although this article has already been linked in a Daily Bear Dump, it is far too revealing and interesting to not get front page attention.
You may click here to read the entire Dickey article with some SF Giants news, Warriors news, and A's news, or click the "Continue reading this post..." link below to read only the Cal related part which I have copied in full.
Here is the Cal related information in Dickey's article:
JEFF TEDFORD made an interesting comparison between his quarterbacks, Nate Longshore and Kevin Riley, at the annual Bay Area college football meeting on Monday.
“With Nate,” he said, “he’ll go through the progressions (on pass plays) for No. 1,2,3, 4 and even 5. With Kevin, he’ll go to 1 and 2 and, if nothing’s there, take the ball down and try to make a play himself.
“So, with Nate, we’re trying to maybe get him to hurry it up slightly because if he looks for 5, the pressure might get to him. With Kevin, we’re trying to get him to be a little more patient and look for 3, but we’re not trying to change his game. Sometimes, it’s a good thing to be ready to make a play if the receiver isn’t open.”
Predictably, most of the questions directed at Tedford were about his quarterbacks, but the order remains the same: Longshore is No. 1 right now, but Riley will play more this season.
As anybody who read me in the last year knows, I was eager to see Riley as the starter in the second half of the season. But as the coach, Tedford has to consider other factors that aren’t always obvious to media and fans.
One is that Riley didn’t always work as hard at practice as he should have – a shortcoming he’s rectified; in the spring, he worked very hard and looked good, too.
Another is that some of Longshore’s interceptions and incompletions came because receivers didn’t run the right patterns. Tedford never says this, of course, but there was some hint of this in the tumble DeSean Jackson took in the NFL draft. When he reported to the Philadelphia Eagles camp, there were reports that one of his adjustments would be to run precise routes.
There was also the personal factor: To bench Longshore would have effectively ruined any chance he had of playing in the NFL. Before the second half of last season, he had been highly ranked by those evaluating pro prospects among college players. Tedford is obviously fond of Longshore, which is understandable. Longshore is a standup guy, always willing to take the blame if something goes wrong. He’s never pointed a finger at a teammate, especially with receivers who ran the wrong routes.
On and off-the-record, I’ve talked frequently to Tedford about this situation, and I believe that he really thought Longshore gave the Bears the best chance to win last year. I also believe that he has much more confidence in Riley this year and won’t be reluctant to make a change this season if he thinks it will help the team win.
As a former quarterback himself, Tedford is very much aware that quarterbacks get too much credit when the teams wins and too much blame when they lose, and that was certainly the case last season.
Tedford thinks that the players had trouble dealing with the free fall from the 5-0 start because they’d never been in that situation before. There was clearly a lack of leadership among the players, with nobody stepping up to take the roles that Marshawn Lynch (offense) and Desmond Bishop (defense) had assumed the year before. The defense absolutely fell apart against Washington, probably the worst effort I’ve seen from a Tedford-coached team, allowing a staggering 360 yards rushing. Probably saved Tyrone Willingham’s job, too.
Tedford did a lot of soul-searching in the offseason and has changed his overall approach, handing over the playcalling to Frank Cignetti and trying to be more involved with the whole team. I believe he’ll be more flexible in dealing with the quarterback decisions, too.
But we all need to take a deep breath and realize that there were many more problems than the quarterback play last season.
And Tedford remains the best Cal coach I have seen in more than half a century of watching the Bears.
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I wrote about this yesterday: Fans tend to undervalue what players are capable of through an entire game and instead overvalue the big moments. There’s no doubt big moments are a part of football lore, but like clutch hitting in baseball or clutch shooting in basketball, they are overrated.
Riley has shown the capability to lead a team back in his small sample size of a game and three-quarters, but he’s rarely been in a situation where his team wasn’t behind. We’re basing possibilities on potential.
“But he’s got the look! He’s got the fire!”
Longshore, by contrast, has done something equally valuable—85 percent of the time he puts his team (except for the end of last year when the team gave up and Tenn ‘06) out in front and, usually when healthy, keeps them there. He doesn’t always screw up (remember Oregon?), he has to deal with receiver routes and drops, he plays injured. That doesn’t make him a gamer?
“But dude, NINE INTERCEPTIONS! He clearly sucks! HE DOESN”T HAVE IT IN HIM!”
Teams fail together. Not individuals. One day we might realize this.
(I’m not shilling for Longshore; the open competition will be fun)
by BearsNecessity on Aug 2, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
indeed
I’ve never said that Longshore should start at all costs – what I think we at the CGB have been trying to impress upon people is that Riley isn’t 100% the answer. If Tedford goes ahead and starts Riley in the belief that he’s the best man for the team, we’ll be behind that decision. Hell, we’d even stop spit-shining the Longshore statue and begin construction on the Riley statue in earnest!
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Aug 2, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, YellowFever. I don’t think I’m EVER going to stop spit-shining the Longshore statue. I just… like him too much.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on Aug 2, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must … not … respond … to … this … post.
Be good. Let it go. To each their own. He only wants what’s best for the team. He means well.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on Aug 2, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’ve never said CGB endorsed a particular position, although we know how much TwistNHook wants Marshawn in the White House. This is primarily to the Cal fans who get caught in ESPN talking head mode.
by BearsNecessity on Aug 2, 2008 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fans tend to undervalue what players are capable of through an entire game and instead overvalue the big moments.
I completely agree with this. Fans tend to remember the bad more so than the good too. When things go right or as expected, it’s not nearly as memorable as when things go bad.
Teams fail together. Not individuals. One day we might realize this.
I hope so too.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on Aug 2, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a sports fan, I have to disagree with one of your points
“the big moments are over-rated” – BearsNecessity.
The victors of big moments win games. The big moments can be in the 1st minute of play to capture the momentum or in the last pivotal play to snatch victory away from the opponent or somewhere in between. Then, only in looking back might this or that play be recognized as the BIG moment. Sadly enough, the true victor of the big moment isn’t always recognized like a line-man with a key block, although John Madden has sanity to the situation and honored such events.
On that premise, Longshore has had his fair share of big moments. Perhaps, they didn’t come at the end of the games last year, but he certainly has deliverered over his Cal career. Other than this, I agree with you whole-heartedly. It is time for those who hate Nate to go to the farm, so that we can hate them in return. GO BEARS!
I've got enough man-love for Longshore and Riley.
by Jan K Oski on Aug 2, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOM!
I think what BearsNecessity is saying that people don’t recognize those moments that you’re citing as big, Jan. When they’re executed well during the normal course of a game, they cease to become big.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on Aug 2, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOOM got them DOS
As an addendum, it’s too bad there’s no way to quantify WPA or WinEXP for football.
by sec119 on Aug 2, 2008 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In terms of context they are. Just think of how much closers are overvalued in baseball because they’re just pitching in the last inning. It just feels bigger to fans because it’s at the end, even though blowing a lead in the 6th or 7th to lose is pretty much like blowing a lead in the 9th to lose. Games are won or lost at anytime.
“The victors of big moments win games.”
What’s a big moment? A touchdown? A one handed grab? A turnover? Better know how to measure those things.
by BearsNecessity on Aug 2, 2008 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing the point.
For the most part, big moments don’t come out of nowhere. They come from preparation and repetition. They also come from spontaneity, but we as fans just don’t appreciate the preparation and repetition., Moreover, big moments in football come from the 11 guys on the field, not just the guy throwing the football. It took Lavelle Hawkins to run a perfect crossing route and outrun the entire OSU defense as he races to the house. It took an offensiv line giving Riley the time to throw. It took Desean Jackson garnering double coverage. Etc. Etc.
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by BeastMode on Aug 3, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
I’ve always like Longshore and wanted to believe that he would be a Rose Bowl-type QB. In 2006, he was generally awesome. The one knock was that he was perhaps a bit weak on the road. That he need a big road win to build that ultimate confidence. I thought there was some truth in that and totally normal for a soph QB who hadn’t really played his frosh year.
The big win over A&M had me thinking he was over the hump heading into 2007. The first half of the season seemed to confirm that, including a big road win over Oregon. Then the collapse. It seems clear to me that his injury was the main issue. Although never a runner (he did show reasonable mobility in 2006), he was very immobile, mechanics suffered, etc. He looked like the late game, road wimp that some claimed.
If he’s back to 2006 health, mentally and physically, with even more experience, he should have a great 2008. But I have serious questions about his ability to stay healthy. That’s why I’m glad we have Riley. I have no problem if JT wants to start Nate. But he needs to put in Riley if Nate gets hurt. Playing Nate hurt last year was a bad deal for everyone.
by OskiMonsta on Aug 3, 2008 4:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I find part of this just plain inaccurate
"With Nate," he said, "he’ll go through the progressions (on pass plays) for No. 1,2,3, 4 and even 5.”
I am slightly more than a casual observer, and to me this just wasn’t the problem. Longshore’s much bigger problem was that he would decide who he was throwing to and never make any read of the coverage – he would never start going through his progression. He had some success with this – often the receivers would be open, and it prevented him from being sacked more often despite his immobility. At other times, he would hold the ball longer in the pocket, but it never seemed to me that he was going through a five-receiver progression – his head wasn’t moving. Instead, and this is just my observation, he was just waiting for his primary receiver (or at best a receiver on the same side as the primary) to get open. He would often end up eventually trying to force the ball to the primary receiver, long after the window to hit them had closed.
Just off the top of my head, and I don’t think this is the best example, see the interception against UCLA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eit1ZcphBtc. It isn’t a particularly fast-developing play, yet there is no attempt to even start looking at other receivers despite double coverage. He had to see that coverage, correct?
To me, while I admit he played limited minutes in comparison to Longshore, it seemed that Riley both was better at going through his progressions, and “making plays” (to me, making plays also means hitting your fourth receiver while scrambling.) Riley thus far seems to have the ability to find the open man, but also to get some out of nothing when no one is open.
These quotes are just too overly simplistic. As much as I like Tedford, I think this is where he is over simplifying a problem in order for the media to have a simple explanation.
At the same time, I liked Dickey’s piece, the NFL factor is the huge thing hanging over all of this…my assumption at this point, is that if Tedford doesn’t think that Riley is the difference between winning the Pac-10 or not, Longshore is going to be the starter.
by Tedfordisgod on Aug 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that at times it seemed as if Longshore had decided whom he was going to throw to before the snap, but at the same time there were some plays where he clearly is going through his progressions. I think we also have to be careful about saying QBs aren’t reading the defense because their head isn’t visibly moving (turning left and right or whatever). QBs can read the defense without moving their head – they can move their eyes. So while it isn’t always obvious to us that the QB is reading the defense by turning his head, he may be by moving his eyes.
Finally, and regarding the UCLA pick-6, that’s a bad example of saying Longshore wasn’t looking at the other WR. Why? There are two receivers on that play. Both are on the same side of the field (left). He can clearly read the defense and both WRs with only moving his eyes and without an obvious turn of the head.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on Aug 3, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Tedford used that play as an example of receivers running imprecise routes. It would have been a completion, but the intended receiver (Tedford never mentioned him by name) ran the wrong route. The ball was right where it should have been.
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by CBKWit on Aug 3, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much agree with your points. Obviously he could be making reads without moving his head – seems to me most quarterbacks physically move their heads (at least between the right and left sides), but obviously some probably don’t. Like I said I don’t think that UCLA play is the best example. I don’t know if Jackson ran an imprecise route, but seems to be that a perfect route still would have ended in a INT. That side of the field was pretty well blanketed.
Fundamentally though, I still think that if Longshore was truly going through his five-man progressions, and taking too much time by Tedford’s account, he should logically (1) be getting sacked more and (2) throwing fewer passes into double coverage.
by Tedfordisgod on Aug 3, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily.
Just because someone goes through their progressions doesn’t mean they are more prone to being sacked. Riley received great protection just as Longshore did, neither were sacked. moreover, release is just as important to not getting sacked. Dan Marino went threw his progressions too but was never sacked because he had an incredible line and a lightning quick release.
As for your evaluation of which qb goes through more of their progressions, sorry, but I am going to go with Jeff Tedford’s analysis over yours. Giving one faulty example of Longshore locking in on a receiver is not nearly enough evidence to controvert the head coach.
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by BeastMode on Aug 3, 2008 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if i were to give you TWO faulty examples of Longshore locking in on a receiver?
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by TwistNHook on Aug 3, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then yeah, case closed.
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by BeastMode on Aug 3, 2008 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I FINALLY WON A CASE!!
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by TwistNHook on Aug 3, 2008 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold your breath.
I win 85% of my appeals.
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by BeastMode on Aug 3, 2008 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Volker, he’s made with bits of real attorney, so you know he’s good. 85% of the time, he wins the appeal every time.
I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.
by Maharg on Aug 4, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be honest with you. He smells like pure gasoline.
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by TwistNHook on Aug 4, 2008 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tedford QB coaching
I thought that Tedford taught his QBs to take snaps initially facing away from the primary receiver and then switch feet. And the point of this was to scan the defense and at least get a sense of what the secondary+ receivers were doing.
by sec119 on Aug 4, 2008 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Riley everyone wins
with Longshore only the iwoks win
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by Nasty_Nate on Aug 3, 2008 8:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
iWok? The new personalizable Apple wok I've been hearing so much about?!?!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Aug 3, 2008 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice try...
The iWok is white (or pink).
I can’t believe I missed this post.
by Rishi on Aug 20, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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