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Inside The Phoenix Five

Sure, you could read all about The Phoenix Five's LEGENDARY prank of stealing The Tree all in Wikipedia.  But does that give you really the whole story?  Wouldn't it be better to get it straight from the horse's mouth?

That is why we went and got an interview with one of the Phoenix Five, himself:  Mr. Orange.  And Mr. Orange says he's going to send me some more photos, so we should have some more photos soon enough.  But until then, check out the interview!

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"It's time to speak out!"

Star-divide

If you are a newer fan and have NO idea what I am talking about, here is the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article:

The Phoenix Five were a group of five University of California, Berkeley (Cal) students who stole/liberated the Stanford Tree from the Band Shak on the campus of Stanford University in the early morning hours of October 17th, 1998. The Phoenix Five held the 10-foot tall costume and university's unofficial mascot "hostage" for two weeks, and the reaction to the heist by school administrators fueled a frenzy of media coverage which resulted in the prank being regarded as one of the most famous and notable in the history of the Big Game rivalry between Cal and Stanford. The Phoenix Five used pseudonyms to hide their true identities, going by Mr. Black, Mr. Green, Mr. Orange, Mr. White, and Mr. Yellow.[1]

With the 10 year anniversary upcoming, it feels like it is time to get the inside scoop on the last prank of any real note between the two schools.  And the only prank I can really think of (unless you count all the times the trumpets drove over to Stanford to play at 3 in the morning, which I don't, since they were doing God's work). 

California Golden Blogs: How goofy did you feel grabbing the tree?

Mr. Orange:  I don't think I really felt "goofy" per se, although it was kind of goofy cramming it into the back seat of the car with three of us back there at the same time. Remember, it was a 9-10 foot tall costume with a ton of material, even though it was somewhat collapsible. I don't know about the other guys, but I more or less felt like it was a mission that we had to accomplish in the stealthiest way possible. We were very aware that we were in hostile territory.

Even though we managed to get our hands on the Tree in the very early hours of the morning, this didn't mean that there couldn't be random students walking by, cops passing by on the street, etc. In fact, we actually did see a cop car (or more than one?) pass as we were planning things out behind the Band Shak.

Also, we had no clue whether there were people still inside the Band Shak when we returned there around 4am. We knew that the band was having a party there after the basketball event, so of course there could still be passed-out drunk Stanfurd Band members inside after that party ended. I remember lots of nerves during that time, when we really couldn't be 100% sure that there were no people left inside that building. It was pretty dark inside, save a few neon signs, etc. I remember there being discussion about whether to abandon the whole thing...that's how tenuous it was. So yeah, I don't think I really thought too much about the craziness of the whole situation at the time...we were just focused on getting the job done without getting caught.

California Golden Blogs:  Was this spontaneous? Or meticulously planned out?

Mr. Orange:  That is covered in the Wikipedia article. We knew where the Tree was because we followed Chris Henderson to the Band Shak after the Cardinal Chaos event. As was reported in more than one publication, it was a "crime of opportunity." We had no intention of doing anything related to capturing the Tree when we arrived at the Farm. The most planning that went into this was who would go inside, and who would keep watch. The majority of "planning" of course, happened once the Tree was back at Cal.

California Golden Blogs:  Anything else you'd like to tell us about the original night?

Mr. Orange:  The other main issue that night was getting to the Tree in the first place. Of course, if it had been almost any other building besides the crappy ass Band Shak, procuring the Tree wouldn't have been possible. Sure, there was some physical force used to get to the Tree, but it wasn't like we had to bust through windows (there was an open window in the back), pick locks, etc. One of the many humorous things related to this story was that when we received immunity from prosecution for returning the Tree, the police stated that we wouldn't be liable for any damage caused to the property because the Band Shak was scheduled to be torn down that year anyway. (It was really a piece of shit, but an appropriate place for the Stanfurd Band to reside.)

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"I'm having a great time in Berkeley!  I never want to go back!"

California Golden Blogs:  What made you guys decide to go down the "hostage taken" path that you all chose? 

Mr.  Orange:  As far as the hostage-taker deal is concerned, I think there was an initial meeting where we planned all of these things out, i.e. the name of the group, sending in the initial letter and picture to the Daily Cal, etc. Remember, everything happened extremely fast. After we took the Tree, nothing happened for almost an entire week, until the story broke in the Stanfurd Daily. Then, we had to act quickly to demonstrate that the Tree was on the Cal campus and to dissuade others from claiming responsibility, and of course, as smart Theta Chis, we had to come up with the wittiest approach. We had lots of fun writing that first letter, in the persona of the Tree, trying to trash Stanfurd in the best way possible.

California Golden Blogs:  What pressure was put upon you guys after Berdahl's threats came down regarding Oski at the Big Game?

Mr. Orange:  The Oski not performing part wasn't a concern at all. From the outset, we said that we'd return the Tree in time for Big Game. I don't think it would have been a big deal had Oski missed performing at Oregon State, or wherever. Actually, that was another funny detail...I believe Berdahl said that Oski would be banned from performing at that first road game, but then it was discovered that he hadn't planned on making the trip in the first place. Silly!

In all honesty, we knew that no one had a clue who we were at the outset. We got the Tree without anyone seeing us, so the whole police investigation was a big sham. They claimed that they had stopped a car with 5 Cal students on campus that night, but to this day I dont know whether that actually happened, or if it was just some attempt to get us out into the open. I think out of the five, I was the one who felt the least amount of pressure. I was a 17 year old freshman, not living at the house, so I was a minor in the legal sense and not around the actual Tree on a regular basis (since it was being kept at the house for awhile.)

The older guys in the group obviously felt more pressure as time went on, as more people were finding out about our involvement. One was up for a big scholarship, Mr. Yellow could have been deported (at least that was the claim), so even though I was really disappointed that the Tree was returned after such a short period of time (2 weeks), I can understand where they were coming from. There were major discussions concerning whether to return the Tree...I was lobbying to hold onto it until Big Game, take it on a road trip, etc., but the older guys in the group probably had better information on exactly how close we were to being discovered. So yeah, we never did get close to being caught, and I'm pretty sure we could have held out a little longer and done more fun things with the Tree, but again, as the youngest, I wasn't in the best position to make the important decisions.

California Golden Blogs:  How did you get in contact with the local news stations?

Mr. Orange:  I think most of, or the entire press thing, was set up through our contact at the Daily Cal. (Remember, she was dating one of the brothers at the time.) For instance, in our exclusive piece with the local FOX station, I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that she was the one asking Mr. Green the questions...I think they only brought a camera there to the secluded location. Outside of actually "being" the Tree and walking out in front of the stunned brothers at the chapter meeting, my favorite memory was dancing around in front of the camera in the middle of the night outside of an elementary school in the Oakland Hills.

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California Golden Blogs:  How do you think it would have been had it been burned?

Mr. Orange:  I think it would've been sad had the Tree been burned. It really took a liking to us after spending some time in Berkeley, and we kind of got attached to it as well, so a slow, painful death wouldn't have been appropriate. Even though the Furdies felt it necessary to put it through a wood chipper, I'm sure the process was a quick one, and the suffering was minimal. I still don't understand why they'd do that to their own mascot, but nothing really surprises me about Stanfurd or its students.

 

 

Thanks to Mr. Orange for the straight dope.  Maybe the Daily Cal wants to do a story on a 10 year anniversary/reunion of the Phoenix Five for their Big Game edition? Anybody got any contacts here?  GO BEARS!

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I met a someone claiming to be a member of the "Phoenix 5"

when I was watching the 2002 Cal v. USC game at a bar in DC. The guy had some good stories.

Good work fellas!

by 33SwisherSweet on Jul 9, 2008 9:59 AM PDT   0 recs

Sweet, you can't tease us like that!

if those “good stories” are somewhat fresh in your head, your blue blood will compel you to share them.

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by Jan K Oski on Jul 9, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately, there was some booze involved....the stories were along

the lines of this interview. It was cool getting “insider” information.

by 33SwisherSweet on Jul 9, 2008 2:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, I just got to this today. Yeah, that was me! How’s it been going? I’m back in DC right now, actually.

by Phoenix Five on Jul 28, 2008 8:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Awesome interview!!!

I always wondered about some of the details. I was on campus when all this was happening and from what I remember, it wasn’t a huge story unless you lived in the frat houses.

I don’t even recall that we ever returned the tree (though i didn’t read the Daily Cal back then, just the Squelch). Now at least I know the details.

The wiki article is hilarious.

The weird thing was the capture didn’t really raise the attendance at the games. I was a season tix holder for 3 years and I don’t recall this even boosting our fan base much… I guess your team still has to have a decent record.

Good job twist.

by danzig on Jul 9, 2008 10:07 AM PDT   0 recs

I concur

I was also on campus when it went down and the best part was the letters and photo captions of the tree enjoying his visit in the Daily Cal. I was pissed at the Cal admins for capitulating to Stanfurds demands re: the tree, and the threat of not allowing Oski to participate. I would love to see a video of that Fox news report, it would be awesome if it found its way onto youtube.

"The trees on the [Student Athlete High Performance Center] are not protected -- and cannot be 'saved' -- by any law."

by Vandalus on Jul 9, 2008 10:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing like this would ever happen now

Not that I wouldn’t love to try if I could think of something as awesome.

by 408 on Jul 9, 2008 11:19 AM PDT   0 recs

Who knows? The Stanford Band seems as disorganized as ever.

"Save The Oaks: Overthrow Capitalism" said Dumpster Muffin sanguinely

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by TwistNHook on Jul 9, 2008 11:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe some industrious Cal Bandsmen

“borrowed” some $C band uniforms a few years back.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by CBKWit on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That was pretty awesome. I saw the bandsmen in question when they showed off their prize.

Also, I believe some Rally Commers stole the tree at the Battle of the Bands within the last few years, though with less fanfare than the Phoenix 5.

by thenick on Jul 9, 2008 12:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll get to it

Once EECS decides to give me a break for a few months =)

by 408 on Jul 9, 2008 6:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Too bad the years of great Cal pranks are all but gone. The Phoenix Five is one of the last :(

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 9, 2008 11:32 AM PDT   0 recs

Since the early 80’s people have thought that they would be the last to do something like this. Someone will prank again!

by mwpfoot on Jul 10, 2008 9:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The Daily Cal perspective

I was working at the Daily Cal at the time, and I remember we really happy with the girlfriend. (I don’t know if I should even mention her first name.)

But at the same time we were really mad at her for not being upfront with the fact that she was dating one of the Phoenix Five. We found out about the connection via somebody else. (It’s kind of journalistically unethical - a conflict of interest! - to be reporting on your boyfriend.)

On the other hand I want to thank the Phoenix Five for coming to us with the story first, it was a big highlight of my tenure at the Daily Cal.

I also want to point out a little tidbit about the Daily Cal’s first story on the Phoenix Five.

The headline read something like “Phoenix Five Admit to Stealing Tree” or something like that, which is SO WRONG because the headline shouldn’t mention a group that nobody, at that point, had ever heard of.

It should’ve been something like “UC Berkeley students Steal Tree” with the lede paragaph saying “A group of UC Berkeley students calling themselves the Phoenix Five…”

Anyways, it was a real thrill.

Can’t believe it’s been 10 years.

by okaydo on Jul 10, 2008 12:15 AM PDT   0 recs

Since I can’t edit my post (I guess), I want to clarify the first sentence: We were really happy that the reporter - I believe she was South Pasadena - got us the scoop. Especially since it resulted in the San Jose Mercury News, the Chronicle, CoCo Times and Oakland Tribune were flooding us with calls clamoring for that great photo above.

But it did present a journalistic dilemma since her connection wasn’t properly disclosed.

by okaydo on Jul 10, 2008 12:23 AM PDT   0 recs

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