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The A-11 Offense

A hot new offensive craze is sweeping the nations' coaches, one that just might be the answer to all of our problems.  The spread-option?  That was sooooo 2003.  If you've gotta have the latest and greatest offensive innovation, the one that will soon change the game of football, you've gotta have the A-11 Offense[A hat tip to CaliforniaDave for finding this first and sending us a link].

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via www.humphinternet.com

ragnarok:  What is this new fancy offense, and why should you care?  Well, if you didn't bother to read their description or look at the picture above, the A-11 Offense is an offense where all 11 players on the field are potential eligible pass receivers.  Whaaa?  [Deadspin called it 'organized football's version of "Everyone just go long." ']  Even more intriguing, the offense features two quarterbacks lined up simultaneously in the shotgun.  Amazing!

Of course, when I read this, I immediately thought, "Gosh [yes, I say 'Gosh' when I think to myself], this could solve Cal's quarterback controversy!  Since Tedford can't choose between Nate Longshore and Kevin Riley, maybe now he could simply play them both.  We'd get the best of both worlds!'  Sufficiently intrigued, I plunged into the depths of the internet, determined to learn more.

So where did this crazy idea come from?  Not far from here, in fact.  If Cal football had made you so morose that you turned to local high school football for entertainment, you might have caught the A-11's debut season.  The masterminds behind this new offense are Kurt Bryan, the current head coach at Piedmont High School and assistant coach Steve Humphries.  The two concocted this idea to level the playing field for their team.  Piedmont is a relatively small school and has a much smaller talent pool to draw from than other high schools with thousands of kids.  So while Piedmont was out-skilled in the past, now Piedmont out-schemes their opponents.  With this new offense, Piedmont High finished the 2007 season with a 7-4 season and a 7 game win streak. Not bad.  Not bad at all for a new offense's first year.

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OK, but that doesn't really answer the burning question, does it?  How can all 11 players potentially be eligible receivers?  What about the offensive line?  Aren't there rules against this thing?  Well, yes and no.  The A-11 found a clever exception in the rules, exploiting it as no one has ever thought to before.  Here's an explanation of the offense:

The A-11's base formation features a center, two tight ends, two quarterbacks and six split ends — three on each side of the center. All players wear numbers that make them eligible pass receivers (1-49 and 80-99) as long as they're positioned at the end of the line or in the backfield.

What makes the offense legal is putting at least one of the quarterbacks 7 yards or more behind the line of scrimmage. As long as no one is in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from the center, the alignment qualifies as a scrimmage-kick formation and normal numbering rules (a minimum of five players wearing numbers 50 through 79 on the line of scrimmage) don't apply.

For some video of the A-11 in action, lookie here.

So after watching the above video, what do you think of the A-11 offense?  Yay?  Nay?  Good?  Bad?  Offense of the future?  Or one hit wonder?  What do you think, HydroTech?

HydroTech:

The Good:

*It spreads out the defense.  One way to pacify dominant defensive players is to spread things out and force the defense to cover eligible receivers away from the ball.  The A-11 does exactly this.  If the defense has a dominant run-stopping linebacker, he's now probably going to be wading the hook zones (short middle zone area behind the DL) or deep tampa 2 areas (deep middle).  If the defense has a dominant shutdown corner, he may be on the wrong side of the field if the offense's 5 receivers are on the other side (remember, even though all 11 players on offense are potential eligible receivers, only 5 may actually go down field to receive). 

*Screen, screen, screen.  With only three players to block pass rushers, pass rushers make their way to the QB fast.  What better way to take advantage of this than screens.  Let them big boys of the DL in close to the QB, then screen out to the trips WRs on either side of the offense (Piedmont's base offense puts 3 WRs on both sides of the offense). 

*Surprise, surprise.  Obviously, the biggest asset that the A-11 carries is that the defense doesn't really know who to cover since all the players can be eligible receivers. 

*Absolutely wicked QB draws.  QB draws in normal football formations have problems dealing with the DL and having a big enough hole to scamper through up the middle.  But with the A-11 and the defense being spread out from sideline to sideline, QB draws become far deadlier.  Could you imagine a QB like Dennis Dixon running the A-11?

*Tons of potential.  This offense has tons of potential to become a new sort of shotgun ultra-spread option type of offense similar to West Virginia and (now) Michigan.  With a QB (or two) in the shotgun you can execute zone reads, screens, and all sorts of plays that are in response to how the defense is lined up.

The Bad:

*Okay, so perhaps the A-11 isn't that hard to defend.  When defending the pass, I would just stick with zone defenses since you can't play man coverage due to the fact that you don't know who is going to be running routes for a reception.  Even though you don't know who is going downfield for a pass, you know your pass rush is going to get to the QB fast (since there are only 3 offensive players on the make-shift OL).  With the pass rush getting to the QB fast he's going to have to scramble for his life or get rid of that ball.  So although you may not know who is going down field for a pass, you know you probably won't have to cover those WRs for a long time.  As for situations in which you're not sure if the offense will run or pass, use LBs as spys to watch the QB for scrambles, draws, or delayed handoffs.  

*Spreads 'em out too much?  Is there such a thing as spreading the defense out too much.  One of the great things about passing out of run formation or using a QB boot out of a run formation is that the defense is tight in the box to play the run thus leaving plenty of space towards the sidelines for passes and scrambles.  But with the A-11, the defense is spread sideline to sideline.  QBs can't really boot wide with the safety of knowing a defender playing towards the sideline isn't going to blitz or at least won't be there to stop a QB scramble.  Additionally, with the defense spread out, the ball carriers are going to get attacked by defenders from multiple angles. 

*WRs must block - a lot.  Not all of the 6 WRs are going to be going out for a pass.  1 or 2 will be blocking.  But blocking who?  If the offense runs a pass play, the WRs who aren't running routes can block pass rushers, or they just stand there so they don't get illegal man down field penalties.  Either way, they are playing decoy or trying to do something they're not often very good at (blocking). 

*QBs must run for their life.  I've already said this before, but with only 3 offensive players forming a make-shift offensive line, the pass rush gets into the backfield fast.  Often, the QB will be 7 yards deep (but not always) and with a narrow 3 man OL the offense gives up an easy penetrating outside pass rush.  This is no offense for a slow QBs - Pat White and Dennis Dixon types definitely preferred.  

*QB must throw well on the run.  QBs are going to be dodging pass rushers left and right in this offense so they must throw well on the run

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ragnarok:  Well, I'm sufficiently intrigued.  The offense is radically different enough that teams will have a very difficult time preparing for it, and I think Cal could pull a few upsets with it.  We've got lots of team speed, and this 'two quarterbacks at once' idea might just be the solution we've been looking for to our QB quandary.  Basically, it'd be like Archie, unable to choose between Betty and Veronica, instead deciding to have a threesome with both of them!

HydroTech:  Well, we all know it's not gonna happen, but  if JT decided to implement the A-11 with Cal's current personnel, here's what the starting lineup might look like:

QBs: Riley & Mansion - the A-11 needs mobile QBs and both fit the bill. 

Center: Mack - I guess this is a no brainer.  He'll block very well.  I haven't seen him catch a pass but I imagine most CBs or even LBs won't exactly be looking forward to the task of tackling him.  Alternatively, a TE could play this position.  Their lighter weight should allow for more mobility on blocks and should provide more of a receiving threat.

TEs: Curran & Miller - both have the size to block and could be decent receiving threats. 

WRs: Best, Ladner, Ross, Morrah, Calvin, & Boateng.  Best is too good to leave off the field.  He'd be a great scatback in this offense.  Ladner could provide some great blocking and could be a great jump-ball receiver.  Imagine the mis-match of a CB covering (6'7") Ladner.  Ross has the ability to play WR and can provide some elusiveness on screens.  Morrah brings height and jump ball ability towards the sideline.  Calvin is too good to not be on the field.  He'll be the pure WR threat.  Boateng is the wildcard of the bunch and brings speed and elusiveness to the field for deep balls.

ragnarok:  Well, that gets two QBs on the field, but neither one of them is Longshore.  I guess that makes sense.  In an offense which disdains the very idea of a 'pocket', the notion of a 'pocket passer' is pretty much untenable.

Which then leaves us with this question:  if the A-11 becomes truly popular and sweeps across the country's high schools, what are the nation's 6' 5", 230 lb. white guys with strong arms going to do?  Play baseball?

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HydroTech:  OK, so I know you just explained above how this offense is actually legal, but how come nobody thought of it before?  I'm still highly suspicious -- prove to me that it's legal.

ragnarok:  Well, the offense works by exploiting the scrimmage kick formation.  Normally, teams have to have 5 linemen on the field, who by their position and their uniform number are ineligible receivers, but this requirement is waived for scrimmage kicks.

Players' Numbering

ARTICLE 2. a. All players shall be numbered 1 through 99. Any number preceded by zero ("0'') is illegal [S23].

b. On a scrimmage down, at least five offensive players on the scrimmage line shall be numbered 50 through 79 (Exception: During a scrimmage kick formation, a player, who by his initial position on the line of scrimmage, is an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering, remains an ineligible receiver during the down until a legal forward pass is touched by a Team B player or an official. He must be positioned on the line of scrimmage and between the end players on the line of scrimmage. The ineligible receivers (interior linemen) are identified when the snapper assumes his position and touches or simulates (hand[s] at or below his knees) touching the ball. A player remains an ineligible receiver and is an exception to the 50-79 mandatory numbering until the down is over, a timeout is charged to a team or the referee, or a period ends.) (A.R. 1-4-2-I, IV and V) [S19].

So what's a scrimmage kick anyway?

Rule 2-15-10:  Scrimmage Kick Formation

ARTICLE 10. A scrimmage kick formation is a formation with at least one player seven yards or more behind the neutral zone, no player in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper's legs, and it is obvious that a kick may be attempted (A.R. 1-4-2-I and A.R. 9-1-2-XXIIXXIV)

Though it must be possible for a kick to be attempted, it is not necessary to actually kick the ball.  A pass to an eligible receiver is a perfectly legal play, as demonstrated by the associated approved ruling for Rule 1-4-2:

Approved Ruling 1-4-2

I. Team A, with fourth and eight, sends two substitutes numbered 21 and 33 into the game as exceptions to the mandatory numbering, and they are positioned legally on their line of scrimmage between the end players on the line of scrimmage. After the ball is snapped, a Team A player, 15 yards deep in a scrimmage kick formation, throws a legal forward pass to an eligible receiver for a 10-yard gain. RULING: Legal play (Note: The same play from a field goal formation is legal).

Basically, it's like faking a punt on every single play.

HydroTech:  Huh, well I guess that works, then.  But wait!  This article quotes a high school ref who claims it isn't legal in the NCAA.  Basically, he's saying that there's added language which makes the formation illegal.  Go back to the scrimmage kick formation rule, where it says:

A scrimmage kick formation is a formation with at least one player seven yards or more behind the neutral zone, no player in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper's legs, and it is obvious that a kick may be attempted.

He said because of that phrase, the A-11 is illegal because it's not obvious that a kick is being attempted.  But I suppose the A-11 is legal on 4th downs when a true punt might be attempted.

Ragnarok:  OK, I see what you're talking about.  The rule, as written, seems a bit ambiguous, but I think you're right:  for the most part, this offense would be illegal in the NCAA.

Also, I tried to download a PDF of the high school football rules for comparison, but the NFHS won't let anyone but registered officials and coaches download it.  Not sure why the secrecy.

HydroTech:  Yes, I think we're right.  The A-11 isn't legal in the NCAA except for possibly on 4th downs.  But then again...this phrase:

and it is obvious that a kick may be attempted


can be open to many different interpretations.  In an A-11 play, a kick is ALWAYS possible and can be attempted.  But we all know that a team isn't going to kick on 1st down, or 2nd down.  Perhaps a 0.001% chance on 3rd down, and maybe a 20% chance on 4th down depending on down and distance.  So perhaps the A-11 is okay on 4th down.

But see, the above analysis is based on team's go-for-it or punt tendency.  I think the rule is meant to be interpreted from the team's formation and personnel on the field - although admittedly it does not say that.  If a team doesn't have a punter or some other player who is known to punt (such as a WR who also doubles as a punter) on the field, then i think it's quite obvious that a kick WON'T be attempted, thus the A-11 play is illegal.

Currently, I think the A-11 falls into a fairly gray area.  The language of the NCAA rule book suggests that the offense is illegal for the most part, although coaches might be able to argue it permissible on 4th downs and perhaps on other downs if the offense actually puts a player who is known to kick onto the field.

Supposedly, Florida and San Jose State ran A-11 plays last year (some sports writer wrote this in an article which I cannot re-find).  San Jose State supposedly ran some A-11 plays against Stanfurd.  But because San Jose State and Stanfurd suck so much, I couldn't find a torrent of the game to download and watch.  Florida, on the other hand, supposedly ran an A-11 play against LSU.  Thanks to the masses of SEC fans who do nothing but drink beer, watch football, and download torrents of football games, I was able to obtain a copy of the game.  So, I downloaded the Florida/LSU game and looked at the play.  It was not an A-11 play.  Here's the pre-snap picture below:

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Note that this is NOT an A-11 play.  How do we know?  This play doesn't qualify as a scrimmage kick formation because nobody is at least 7 yards behind the neutral zone.  The Florida QB, Tim Tebow, is 5 yards behind the center.  Even if Tebow was 7 yards behind the neutral zone, it is quite obvious that a kick is NOT being attempted due to the fact that Tebow usually passes or QB-draws, Tebow has never punted, and Florida doesn't even have a punter on the field.  It's also 1st and 10!  Who punts on first and 10?!?!

ragnarok:  Yeah, this formation is just confusing.  Tebow probably looked at it in the playbook and wondered 'what's my offensive line doing way over there?'  I'm wondering the same thing, actually.  What is the point of this play?

HydroTech:  Well, let's watch the rest of it and find out.  Below is the post-snap picture.  Quick!  Which 5 players are the eligible receivers?!?!?!

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The two split end WRs nearest the sidelines on both sides of the field, and the three flanker WRs off the LOS!

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Oh noes!  The LSU pass rush is unabated towards the QB because there was only one OL blocking for Tebow!  Tebow must act quickly to get rid of the ball but his WRs have barely made it down field! 

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Urban Meyer: For the love of God, Tim Tebow, do something!
Tim Tebow: I shall run!

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B-button!  (for the xbox users)
Circle-button! (for the ps3 users)

[For those of you that have yet to experience the utter joy of wasting one's time on a gaming counsel, Tim Tebow did a spin]

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Tim Tebow: Dammit!  I thought my break tackle rating in NCAA Football 2009 was 91!  I've been misled! 

ragnarok:  So, uh, this play failed spectacularly.  Huh, I guess we'll never know what this play was trying to accomplish.  In any case, it wasn't an A-11 play, which while a fun concept, doesn't appear to be legal at the NCAA level.  I kinda think that's too bad.  Part of the fun of college football vs. the NFL is all the crazy offenses teams use to try and level the playing field, and I say the more crazy offenses, the better!

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Stitches!

I was in an uncontrollable bout of laughing stitches! (“B-button!” “Circle-button!” “I’ve been misledI REALLY don’t like it)

by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 30, 2008 9:12 AM PDT   0 recs

Something happened to my post

What I actually wrote that didn’t get posted was: (after the “I’ve been misled”)

I think it could work, as a matter of fact, if I were Coach. I’d try it. Hell, I’d try anything at least THREE TIMES! (just so I know I REALLY don’t like it)

by BixBeiderbecke on Jul 30, 2008 9:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

oh god.....dying of laughter

Tim Tebow: I shall run!

Silly, silly Florida….

by wearecb4life on Jul 31, 2008 11:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Kind of a show

This strikes me as one of those really gimmicky things that would be useful on 4th down in that no-man’s-land space where a field goal is too far away and a punt only sets you back 15 yards or so. Send the personnel out, have them initially line up as if for a regular punt, and before they set, everyone shifts into the A-11, at which point it turns out you sent two QBs instead of a punter and up-back, and chaos abounds, and….the other team promptly calls time-out.

You will also need an assistant coach brought in from Boalt for the purpose of sideline-lawyerin’ with the Pac-10 officials about how this is actually legal. Given that they haven’t mastered the concept of “pass interference,” I sort of question their mental fortitude in processing an entire new formation.

All in all, a neat concept, but one that wouldn’t last three minutes in the face of the NCAA’s determination to NFL-ize the game in every aspect. Which sucks, really, but what can you do?

by VandyImport on Jul 30, 2008 9:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Shit-11?

We have discussed this a bit over at ATQ, and most people, besides one of our young’uns (they’re so cute and delusional!), thinks that it is total crap, at least on the college level.

As I said over there, this formation would work if you have a speed advantage, and the other team has a size advantage. But in college, the disparity does not exist as it does in high school. The whole legality thing is pretty up in the air too.

When you have D-lineman that are huge and fast and can crush anything with their bare hands, and competent secondary and linebackers that can run a zone, this can only lead to epic failure.

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by jtlight on Jul 30, 2008 9:38 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh yes

And awesome breakdown.

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by jtlight on Jul 30, 2008 9:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

totally agreed. A gimmick to the max. Let it stay in HS level

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A gimmick. TO THE MAX!

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by TwistNHook on Jul 30, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Swinging Gate

That play run by Florida is a variation on the “swinging gate”. It’s a trick play where basically you line up so that a screen is already set up to either side. In high school we tried this. We would break the huddle and walk up to the line in a normal formation, but before the linemen got set, the QB would yell a signal, and the linemen then would sprint out to the outside to set up much as Florida, leaving only the center and the QB in shotgun formation, with a receiver behind a group of blockers near each sideline. The center would then quickly snap the ball and the QB was supposed to quickly deliver the ball to whichever side had a greater mismatch of blockers to defenders. You’re hoping for a couple of things to happen: 1.) a DL jumping offsides when the initial “break out” signal is given, since all the linemen are moving (though since they weren’t set, and are moving laterally, it’s not a false start or illegal motion); 2.) if the DL doesn’t jump offside, the defenders will be too confused/too slow to reposition themselves, creating an easy mismatch on one side. I’ve never really seen it work.

by Oznog on Jul 30, 2008 9:39 AM PDT   0 recs

It seems like it wouldn’t work (if the DL doesn’t jump of course). If you are there with only a center between you and the QB, I presume you wouldn’t have a second thought about rushing the QB

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fantastic breakdown...

of a very broken offense.

It is a very minimal gimmick – one that should be ran no more than once in a game – if it were a legal formation.

I was actually looking into all this A-11 legality myself yesterday, and I came to the same conclusion.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Jul 30, 2008 10:21 AM PDT   0 recs

What jtlight said. I bet it works pretty well for what it was intended: an equalizer for small teams loaded with ball handlers playing big tough bruisers. The softies at Piedmont High are gonna need something wacky to compete with most teams around here. It’s only broken when there is speed on the DL, ya know, actual athletes instead of tubby high schoolers.

by zoonews on Jul 30, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh...

I don’t doubt it is effective for a lot of high school teams.

NCAA – No way. Especially with schools with a strong defense like USC.

Go Duckies!

by JShufelt on Jul 30, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

From a strictly semantical standpoint...

Suppose that a team started the first play of their first game in this position and punted the ball. Couldn’t the argument then be made that if they punt in that situation, it would be obvious a kick may be attempted.

Barring all the clearly negative aspects (losing your first possession of the season, the clear douchebag element of the argument, etc.), what sort of reason could there be for ruling this invalid?

I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.

by Maharg on Jul 30, 2008 10:24 AM PDT   0 recs

The reasoning that NCAA will invariably write into the rule book that A-11 sucks and is henceforth illegal?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This A-11 offense is more likely to hurt HS players than help...

Assuming that A-11 is not/cannot be run in the collegiate level I have a feeling that many colleges are not going to give A-11 system QBs (or other positions) much of a chance in the NCAA game. Much like how the always-scrambling dual-threat QB of your local HS was converted to a third string RB when he went to college.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 30, 2008 10:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Hey, I live near Piedmont HS. Maybe I could spy on practice and send Tedford some notes?

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 30, 2008 11:00 AM PDT   0 recs

no need to spy

for only $199, you can buy the installation manual!

it should worry you that as flashy as this offense is, the marketing of it is even flashier.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jul 30, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uh

In that first highlight video, the QB gets stuck pretty good by the defender. Wonder why they included that.

by CalBandGreat on Jul 30, 2008 11:37 AM PDT   0 recs

I’ve seen 1 clip of this offense in play and in that 1 clip, the QB got picked. Off to a rousing start, there!

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by TwistNHook on Jul 30, 2008 11:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In addition to getting picked he got body slammed on another. I didn’t see any mismatches created. I was expecting to see a really confused D and wide open receivers, but none of that. Total crap!!

by OskiMonsta on Jul 30, 2008 1:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I knew what the Tebow play was trying to accomplish.

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by TwistNHook on Jul 30, 2008 11:51 AM PDT   0 recs

Unhealthy

It has to be deliciously unhealthy to even consider this as an option with our personnel at the collegiate level.

Imagine Tedford and Cignetti having some drinks at Raleigh’s and mapping this out on cocktail napkins. Eesh.

www.bearswithfangs.com

by bearswithfangs on Jul 30, 2008 12:29 PM PDT   0 recs

[For those of you that have yet to experience the utter joy of wasting one’s time on a gaming counsel, Tim Tebow did a spin]

Would that be the counsel for the defense? ZING!!!

Regarding the Florida play, Spurrier ran that formation in the mid-90’s every once in a while. If I’m remembering correctly, every time he ran this play the QB would sneak up the middle for a short-yardage gain.

by sec119 on Jul 30, 2008 1:28 PM PDT   0 recs

I’m sure the Red Raiders will make something of this. Looks interesting but college defensive players are fast and they hit hard. Why the 2 QBs?

I was wondering about the opposite of the A-11, a short yardage, snap directly to a TB. Tedford did this with Lynch in the Holiday Bowl but had Longshore on the field. What about a no-QB, no WRs, run offense.

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Jul 30, 2008 5:17 PM PDT   0 recs

You mean the Wildcat offense

..or whatever it is called that Arkansas ran last year with McFadden?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jul 30, 2008 5:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that’s it. Thanks.

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Jul 30, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I believe

A no-QB, no WRs, run offense has been tried. Y’know, the option. I jest, but only slightly.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Aug 1, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Naw, the Texas Tech Red Raiders are crazy spread offense.

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Jul 30, 2008 5:29 PM PDT   0 recs

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