Nate Longshore: Setting the Record Straight
There's been tons of talk, Nate bashing and speculation over the months. Let's set the record straight by foregoing the speculation and looking at the facts; A hardcore analysis of Nate's performance. Don't worry, I'll use lots of pictures. I even have video for the analytically challenged!

Methodology:
Put simply, I re-watched every one of Nate's televised games; every snap, every possession since SacState05 to AirForce07, over the course of two weeks. I used official NCAA stats to compile how he performed during *every* offensive possession. I especially keyed in on the following stats:1) TDs (pass & QB rush), INTs, completions, punts by quarter
2) Total offense under Nate's management by quarter
3) Perf. in Pac10 vs Non-conf
4) Perf. vs ranked teams
5) Perf. when Home vs Away
6) Perf. healthy vs injured
7) Passing efficiency trends throughout the season
NOTE! - If the charts look blurry, then hit Ctrl and "+" or "-" until it becomes clear.
Nate's Efficiency charts: Passing efficiency is like QB rating in the NFL but calculated differently. A number of 115 in college means you complete 50% of your passes, throw more interceptions than TDs and don't have many yards. NCAA starting QBs average out at 130ish and Heisman QBs break 150-160.
In 07 Nate continued his winning ways from 06 until he got injured and then he became extremely erratic. However, even when healthy the offense was not as explosive as it was under Dunbar. Nate had many more 3 to 4 wide receiver sets and passed to the running back quite often. In my opinion, poor play calling amplified Nate's injuries in 2007.
Notice Nate's stats for the first six games vs the last six. Also note that he played well in Washington07, but it was our run defense and penalties that did us in.
Also notice that versus certain opponents, Nate just does not perform well: Arizona, Washington St, USC and Stanford. 
Nate's Completion %: Completion % is not as telling as PassEff but it does show us something interesting. Notice in 07 Nate was pretty consistent in the first six games with Arizona as an outlier. After he got hurt he became erratic. In 06 only the last 3 games of the regular season were truly sub-par for him.
After everything I've seen, I agree with the sentiment that Nate had no business being on the field while hurt.

Nate's Cross Section Analysis: Here's the meat of the analysis. How does Nate play when ____??? The pattern of getting worse as the game goes on is astonishingly consistent in my study (note however that all winning teams have lower yards in the 4th quarter than the 1st).
The key stats for me are the healthy VS injured Nate. Take a look yourself and make your own conclusions.

Note: LS-TD (Nate's TDs passing or sneak), ScDrvs (scoring drives), Off Yrds (Team offensive production under Nate)
NATE'S GAME FILM ANALYSIS
Stats do not tell the whole story. For instance Washington State 07 was Nate's absolute worst game on film, but not his worst with stats - so it's best to combine film and stats to evaluate.
My Nate highlight reels:
Part I:
Part II
Part III
Also can be seen on Youtube:
Longshore Extended Highlights Part 1 (On Youtube)
PROS (when healthy)
- Outstanding mechanics: Before he was injured in 07, he had astonishingly good fundamentals. Watch my highlight reel, his footwork is outstanding, release is fast and high, has great pocket adjustments and looks off receivers. I was surprised at how good he looks from an NFL perspective.
- Threads the needle: When throwing hard, he is very accurate and threads the needle. He also places the ball away from defenders so only the WR can catch it. His best throw is to the corner route. He is also at his best when throwing hard, in general.
- Touch: Shows great touch on the ball, routinely looping over LBs into the hands of the Hawk. When he's healthy and his footwork is there, his deep ball is fantastic too.
- Good under pressure: After watching the film, he's pretty good under pressure (surprising huh?). He will shift in the pocket but usually won't roll out. He throws the ball away when appropriate. His accuracy drops somewhat, but not more than other QBs under pressure.
- Out of the gate: Nate is amazing in home openers and always plays well in the first six games of the season. During this time, there's no one better.
CONS
- Slow finisher: Nate starts extremely strong over first six game and fades over the final six games (partially due to level of competition and this trend shows up with other Pac10 QBs). He plays poorly in the second half of games and he's at his worst in the 4th quarter. Getting an early lead is essential for him to win. Get rid of this one flaw and we would still think of him as "Nate the Great"... think about it.
- When injured or hit: All of his best traits go out the window when hurt. His touch passes are off and he throws INTs. Almost all of his INTs were touch passes. I also noticed he plays worse after he has been hit hard as well.
- Not an actor: Part of the reason for his second half slides is the fact that his fakes are not executed well. It got worse in 2007. Screens, reverses and even his play action do not fool many LBs. Add to that ho-hum play calling and defenders are bound to figure him out later in the game.
- Doesn't take over game when needed: In 2006, during the Wash, WashSt and Stanford games he played just good enough for us to win and in the USC game he didn't "step up" to take over the game and bring us back in it. In general Tedford relies on the run game to "bring us back into it" rather than rely on Nate. He doesn't seem to be the superhero we all want him to be.
CONCLUSION and RECOMMENDATIONS
Healthy vs Injured: It's not all Nate's fault but partially Coach's for letting him play. Take a look at his injured vs healthy stats below. I believe Nate playing injured was the single most significant factor in his poor play and our late season slide. He played five games healthy and scored 14 TDs with 9 INTs. He played seven games injured and only scored 3 TDs and 4 INTs. More importantly, his footwork was gone and his mechanics were out the door. Nate should not be playing injured.
Play calling at fault too: Based on my analysis of the play calling three things jumps out at me: predictable, predictable, predictable. Even I knew what was coming sometimes. Even though a healthy Nate only threw 7 real INTs (that were his fault) in 5 games I think part of it had to do with predictable play calling and poorly executed play action.

My recommendations to Coach:
Nate must be healthy: If Nate is hurt in any way, he should not play. Unless it's a broken nose, his record after injury is crystal clear. 3 TDs and 4 INTs in seven games while throwing 14TDs and 9 INTs in five healthy games. When healthy he's the second best QB in the Pac10, when injured the 5th best.
Don't be afraid to bench Nate at the half: Some of Nate's trends are crystal clear and have been proven statistically. He's great in the first six games and during the first half of games. He's not good at overcoming deficits. I know our offense is about timing, but we're losing games we're supposed to be winning. If Nate is repeating these old habits... then bench him and play Riley... he's ready and it's the logical thing to do.
Start Nate but definitely let Riley play often: Those predictable negative trends also have a flip side. Nate plays like a superstar early in the season so start Nate vs Michigan State. However give Riley experience during the second halves of the first four games and during 4th quarters. Plus start Kevin in the Big Game (see below).
Surprise me!: The play calling has to take more risks and be less predictable. The fakes on reverses, screens and even the play action needs to be overhauled... completely.
It's the little things: I was shocked at how many times we were penalized in 07 vs 06. Shocked I tell you. Also our special teams defense was horrible, horrible I tell you. Less penalties and better special teams could have given us UCLA and AState.
Finally, don't repeat 2007: There were so many lessons to be had in '07, we all know them. Please Coach... learn and apply... don't repeat.
STARTER RECOMMENDATIONS BY GAME (if 2QB system were possible)
By the way, I know this is impossible and not advisable, but I'm just trying to make a point about what Nate's history tells us.

Michigan State - Start NATE (100%): He has 6 TDs and no INTs in home openers and averages 70% completion and a 179 PassEff rating!!! He owns home openers.
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@ Washington State - Start KEVIN (100%) - Even though the team won both times Nate was at QB, he almost gave away those games. He's never thrown a single TD vs the Cougs and has thrown 3 INTs (really). In 2007 it was the worst game of his career (re-watch it). The Cougs love playing vs Nate... let's give them Kevin.
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@ Maryland - Start KEVIN (60%) - Nate plays well early in the season, but has trouble with non-conf competition on the road. E.g. Tenn06 and ColSt07. This gives Kevin a perfect opportunity to gain experience.
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Colorado State - Start NATE (100%) - Nate has a proven track record against non-conf foes at home. He's a lock in these situations. He has 10 TDs and only 2 INTs. Play Kevin in the 4th quarter if we're ahead.
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Arizona State - Start NATE (70%) - In 06 Nate DESTROYED AState but in 07 he played well but not great. He has scored 5 TDs and threw only 1 real INT in this series. Nate could start and Kevin could play in the second half... I wonder what could happen...?
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@ Arizona - Start KEVIN (100%) - Besides WashSt, Arizona is Nate's second worst nemesis. He's thrown only 2 TDs and 4 real INTs during this series with an avg PassEff rating of 110 and a completion percentage of 50%. You can even play Brock and get better results!
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UCLA - Start NATE (85%) - In 07 our run game and 3 fumbles lost that game for us - it wasn't all Nate. He played well throwing 3 TDs on 2 real INTs and a PassEff rating of 134. If our run game got working at all and if we didn't fumble the ball that game would not have been close. In 06 Nate destroyed that defense completing 83% of his passes, 3TDs no INTs with a rating of 218! UCLA06 was Nate's best game ever.
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Oregon - Start NATE (100%) - Nate has 5 TDs and only 1 INT and two wins, both when Oregon was ranked and were statistical favorites over us. Nate and our defense have become curses for Oregon. Let's use them.
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@ USC - Start NATE (75%) - Statistically these aren't good games for Nate, but on film he plays well against the Trojans (better than most Pac10 QBs). In both cases the game was not decided until the 4th quarter and they genuinely fear us now. Plus having Kevin start vs a ranked USC on the road is not a good idea. Nate won't be nervous, he's been there before.
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@ Oregon State - Start NATE (100%) - Kevin played them in 07 and performed admirably but bungled the ending. Nate played them in Corvallis in 06 and killed them throwing 4 TDs, 1 INT with a 200 PassEff rating! The Beavs would love to play against Kevin again... let's give them Nate instead.
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Stanford - Start Kevin (110%) - I'm sorry but Nate lost both Big Games in horrible fashion. In 06 we were saved by Justin, but in both games our offense was stagnant. Nate, as usual, played well in the first half of the 07 game, but ground to a halt in the second half and threw an INT in the 4th. Lavelle did drop two TD passes, but that game should have never been that close. It's Kevin's turn for a Big Game.
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Washington - Start Nate (65%) - In 06 Nate threw no TDs or INTs bit completed 60% of his passes. Nate played okay in 06 but ML saved the game in OT. Conversely in 07 Nate played very well but our run defense just threw the game away. Rankin rushed for 224yrds and an 11yrd avg!! In 07 he threw 3 TDs and one INT with a rating of 170, clearly one of his best games. At home with Jahvid running and Rankin gone - Nate can tear them apart again.
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APPENDIX - feel free to use everything I've done to do your own analysis.
Longshore career stats:

Longshore career stats (healthy):

Game stats sorted by Nate's performance
All stats used in this analysis (excel):
Lonshore Stats.xls
RILEY HIGHLIGHTS (click link from this page only for high rez):
Kevin Riley 2007 Highlights
Future highlight tapes: Anyone want to nominate a player for a new highlight tape? Post your ideas below.
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OTHER PAC-10 QBs:

Rudy Carpenter - He fades through the season but from such a high water mark;
just remember that 130ish is average. Keep passing in the 150s and you are going to win games. 
John David Booty (healthy only) - not counting games with bad finger etc. The most steady QB in the Pac 10. Not great, but not bad either. USC's defense makes up for Booty's average-ness.

Dennis Dixon (healthy only) - He was amazing in 2007. When he played well he always broke 190!!! When he was off, he would just be average but the option kept his rush yards high. The triple option actually gives Dixon more opportunites to complete passes.

Alex Brink - Very steady, almost boring. For the bulk of the Pac10 schedule, he's Mr. Non-excitement.

Willie Tuitama - Very average but has huge numbers because Arizona has no run game. Considering how many passes he throws, I would say Willie's rating numbers are understated and he's probably better than Brink.

The opinions expressed in a FanPost are not necessarily those of the California Golden Blogs or any of its authors. However, they are just as important as the opinions of any of the authors. And doubly so as compared to TwistNHook!
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this is
Without a doubt, the craziest, most well done FanPost ever.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on
Jul 23, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
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thanks feva.
Actually this post started as “My Apology to Nate”... I was one of those dicks that railed him on the rivals and scout boards and I though I would apologize and make him a Highlight reel… since none has ever been made for him. Kinda like a mix tape but less… um… romantic.
But as I watched the games for clips I started recording some stats… next thing you know it turned into this monster!
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 5:08 PM PDT
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Does this mean you won’t be making a mix tap as well?
I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.
by Maharg on
Jul 24, 2008 9:51 AM PDT
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In this generation we call them mix-cds... thank you.
Yes I sent him a mix-cd… here is the track list:
“You’re The Inspiration” – Chicago
“Hello” – Lionel Richie
“Suddenly” – Billy Ocean
“The One That You Love” – Air Supply
“(Everything I Do) I Do It For You” – Bryan Adams
“Every Rose Has Its Thorn” – Poison
“Separate Lives” – Phil Collins
“Almost Paradise” – Mike Reno/Anne Wilson
“Hold On To The Nights” – Richard Marx
“Tonight, I Celebrate My Love” – Peabo Bryson
“Always” – Atlantic Starr
“Everytime You Go Away” – Paul Young
“I Go Crazy” – Paul Davis
“I Honestly Love You” – Olivia Newton-John
“Nothing’s Gonna Stop Us Now” – Starship
“The Lady In Red” – Chris De Burgh
“The Power Of Love” – Celine Dion
“Arthur’s Theme (Best That You Can Do)” – Christopher Cross
“Faithfully” – Journey
“Feels Like Heaven” – Peter Cetera
“At This Moment” – Billy Vera & The Beaters
“I’ll Always Love You” – Taylor Dayne
“I Want To Know What Love Is” – Foreigner
“Islands In The Stream” – Dolly Parton
And I sent a card that said… “It’s more than a feeling.”
by danzig on
Jul 24, 2008 10:07 AM PDT
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here's my suggestion
1. Oops, I Did It Again – Britney
2. Wounded Duck – Noisebird
3. I Hate Everything About You – Three Days Grace (for CaliSeth)
4. Sad Statue – System of a Down (for Olsonist)
5. Dreamlover – Mariah Carey (for Hydro)
6. Stand By Your Man – Tammy Wynette (for Tedford)
7. Wait Till Next Year – Ricky Nelson (for Riley)
8. My Hero – Foo Fighters (for danzig)
9. California Love – 2Pac (for us all)
10. Yakety Sax – Boots Randolph (for the next time you have to watch a Longshore interception)
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on
Jul 24, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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Is “Oops, I Did It Again” for longshore? WTF.
Tammy Wynette??? WTTTFFFF?
by danzig on
Jul 24, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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I JUST LISTENED TO YAKETY SAX
HHAHAHHAAAAHHHAAAA… i’m dying dude.
everyone: type in Yakety Sax
Songza Website
by danzig on
Jul 24, 2008 10:24 AM PDT
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Yakety Sax is the classic song for spinsanity. Esp. if sped up Benny Hill style. It’d be like Longshore throws the pick and then the craziness of the ensuing tackle all in super fast mode.
I didn’t realize a guy named Boots Randolph did it. Hmmm.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 24, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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Me neither… i had no idea that an actual musician wrote that song…
When Feva wrote that I was like… “Who the F is Boots Randolp??”... then I looked it up and listened to it and nearly fell out of my chair.
by danzig on
Jul 24, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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I should add
I didn’t actually listen to Tammy Wynette or Ricky Nelson here, I just looked up the lyrics and song titles. And yes, Britney is for Longshore. Although in retrospect I should have found a Jessica Simpson song given his fondness for her.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on
Jul 24, 2008 10:28 AM PDT
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In the interests of full disclosure I have to report that I’m a big Dolly Parton fan. No apologies necessary, she can sing. I saw her at Hardly Strictly Bluegrass a year back.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 24, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
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Me too! I was there along with 6,000 of my favorite friends. That place was packed!
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 24, 2008 10:57 AM PDT
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fantastic post, danzig. well written and well researched. kudos.
one thing i’d like to see: i thought the passing efficiency and completion percentage charts didn’t show as much as one would like. i’m not sure exactly how one would do it, but i’d like to adjust those ratings to account for the level of pass defense that was faced during the game. after all, big numbers against Portland State are hardly surprising or indicative of a great performance, whereas those numbers put up against much better defenses should be more highly valued.
also, i think you’d agree with me that the passing numbers for the USC game in ‘07 were down across the board due to adverse passing conditions. IIRC, rushing totals for that game were unusually high.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jul 23, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
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agree
Like in sports gambling where there is a handicapping element there should be some discounting factor for stats like PassEff that accounts for strength of defense. That’s why it pisses me off when the SEC schedules such ducks when they can play eachother.
BUT… any idea as to how I would accomplish this? I gave it some thought and determined that it would take mucho time and be problematic eg do I adjust for home vs away… or defense ranking at the time of the game or overall at the end of the year etc… yikes!
True it was pouring at the USC07 game but Nate still had 28 attempts.. his avg is 31 per game. Of course it’s more difficult to catch in the rain but hawk still made a spectacular diving catch in the 4th quarter.. i think his best ever.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 5:03 PM PDT
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This sounds like a job for someone with nothing else to do!
Twist, get on it.
I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.
by Maharg on
Jul 24, 2008 9:52 AM PDT
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I love stats
Reading this now :D
I should’ve been a stats major
In other words, Go Bears!
by royrules22 on
Jul 23, 2008 5:05 PM PDT
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Wow, great post!
It’s almost too much information to digest.
Honestly, I think Nate gets the starting job unless he’s injured at the start of the year. He probably deserves it as a senior and if he is healthy. The new OC even said Nate handles the offense very well – something which Tedford always says about him.
Honestly, I think the two QB system would be good just this year. Even without injury, Nate seems to tire in the 4th quarter and gets sloppy with his footwork. I’d like to see Riley take 40% of the snaps. I think this would improve Riley’s experience this year and more importantly, rest Nate so that he doesn’t suck in the 4th quarter. It would also give the opposing defense a lot to think about. I think Danzig’s analysis essentially supports such a move (although I don’t agree with different starters depending on the opponent).
Great post Danzig
by oaktownmario on
Jul 23, 2008 5:09 PM PDT
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Syd...winning?
Wow I’m pretty damn surprised that Syd is winning the poll. I think he’s better than everyone thinks but didn’t think anyone else felt that way.
If any of you have a song recommendation to be played in the background, let me know too. What would a “defensive” oriented song sound like anyway?
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 5:29 PM PDT
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I am guessing I know who voted Nate’s interceptions!
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 23, 2008 7:44 PM PDT
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I was only half joking on that one. I knew there might be many of us that really would want to see that. I actually started to record INT clips but it got too painful… to record any clip I have to watch it over and over again to get the entry/exit points but it started to make me a bit sick.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 8:08 PM PDT
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In all seriousness, an analysis on Longshore’s interceptions could be extremely revealing.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 8:10 PM PDT
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Hydro
If I provided the clips and uploaded the to youtube, would you do the analysis?
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 8:21 PM PDT
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Actually, I was interested in getting your opinion.
When I suggested that an analysis on Longshore’s INTs might be revealing, I was suggesting that perhaps that was something you might do. I don’t want to piggy back on your work or steal your thunder. But if you want my opinion or my opinion to help supplement yours then I’ll help out. I just thought that perhaps people might be interested in hearing someone else’s analysis on Longshore’s INTs than my own. Heck, even I’m interested in hearing someone else’s analysis as long as it’s thorough and well broken down (something you can obviously do).
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 8:48 PM PDT
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hmmm i just might do that. I look at the clips and think about it.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
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Excellent Post
Great post, Danzig. I noticed you weren’t posting a lot recently so I was wondering why you were MIA. I only have a few concerns.
(1) Stats can often hide penalties against QBs such as WR drops and hail mary INTs. An even more daunting analysis might go as far as adjusting the statistics to not count WR drops as an incompletion and to not count hail mary INTs. While it may not change the results of the statistics significantly, it would make for a truly accurate statistical analysis of gauging a QB’s effectiveness. And if we want to play the "what if" game, we could speculate stuff like: if Hawkins didn’t drop the TD pass against Stanfurd in 2007, would Cal have won the game? And with that "what if" game comes changes in statistics. In that anecdote, Longshore would have a completion instead of an incompletion. Longshore would have had a TD instead of an INT. My point: completion % and QB rating still hide aspects of the game and penalize the QB for actions not entirely his own (or at all).
(2) I think some more caution has to be taken when concluding that Longshore plays well in the first half of the season and first half of games. As you’ve noted, he was healthy earlier in the seasons but not in the latter halves. But as for the second half of games, let’s not forget that in 2006 we usually were winning and became more conservative on offense. Tedford wasn’t calling as many aggressive passing plays thus reducing the chances of Longshore throwing touchdowns. In 2007, Cal faced tougher game situations where Cal was losing and had to be more risky to win. More risk = more INTs. Clearly Longshore isn’t as effective in the second half of games, as you’ve concluded, but I don’t think we can say it’s entirely Longshore’s doing. My point: game situations affected his statistics and created trends which can be mistaken for trends on his performance.
(3) Regarding play action fakes, screens and reverses. Perhaps you know more about football than I do. But I think we have to be careful about saying Longshore isn’t a great actor.
(a) I think playactions come in different varieties, some being harder than lighter. Perhaps if LBs aren’t biting on the playaction, it’s because the play was a lighter playaction.
(b) Furthermore, successful screens are a product of a good fake by the QB but also the OL, and good playcalling by the OC. If screens are predictable, then the D will know it’s a screen and the OC is at fault. If the OL doesn’t sell the bad block, the DL will know it’s a screen. It’s not entirely the QB.
(c) Likewise, reverses also depend heavily (if not more) on the OL, RB, and WRs moreso than the QB. And just like screens, the OC has to keep the reverses and fake reverses unpredictable. If the D knows it’s coming, it doesn’t matter how good of an actor the QB may be, he’s going to look like a bad one. So perhaps Longshore isn’t as much of a bad actor as it might seem from the play results. Or, perhaps he is.
Anyways, I still think this is a FANTASTIC analysis. You’ve done an excellent job.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 6:10 PM PDT
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Glad you pointed some of this out
I was getting killed at work so that’s why I was gone for a while.
You’re right, of course, stats do not tell the whole story… that’s why I advocate re-watching the film, which I did to interpret the stats…eg Washington State07 was Nate’s worst game of his career but we won. We used to speculate that Nate is bad in the second half but I personally saw it over and over again with my own eyes and it confirmed the trends. It’s the one thing that was stamped into my head after my film work.
However, when it comes to INTs my analysis does prove that his 4th quarter INT tendency wasn’t there in 2006 (when we were ahead in most games early), but this is where the film fills in the gaps where he does play badly, in general, in the 2H… on film… you make a good point though Tedford would take less risks so that could be the cause.
Play Action and fakes: this is where I really do believe that Nate could really improve…alot. I know the difference between a soft fake during a screen and a zone run vs a down field pass…what I’m saying is he’s not executing the hard play action well.
Importance of deception – Compared to Dixon (i know this is a triple option) it’s like reading spanish vs japanese… watch the 1H of Wash/ORE game or the whole Mich game.. nobody had any idea where the ball was and it opened it up for Dixon’s passing game.
Good play action in pro-style – watch John David Booty and Rudy… they’ve got play actions that really work… Nate sometimes looks like he’s just going through the motions. Sometimes I wonder “why bother??”
Good point about the OL contributing to telegraphing the screens/reverses… i agree with you there…Now I blame the OL, TEs and WRs for that… and you have to admit that our screen game has gone to crap in 07… so have our reverses… the only thing we can do now is boot. Tenn, Colst, Latech were the last three games I can remember where a reverse actually worked well… maybe Zona, but that was due to Jahvid’s speed.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 7:11 PM PDT
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good analysis
You have to know that Tedford has these statistics and more, but thanks for putting this together for us.
There’s a lot there that I already felt in the pit of my stomach. Post-injury Nate has bad mechanics. He can’t plant right. I did dread the 4th quarter as the season went on, evidently for a reason. It would also be interesting to see how his sacks and throw-aways trended with the injury and quarters.
Looking back on 2007, it was just stubbornness that Tedford didn’t give Riley playing time. Dumb stubbornness.
Still, for this year, I for one would not like the two QB approach and I would prefer Nate as just a backup.
★ If Riley is the future then get on with it and let him get the early experience with the new receiver corps.
If Riley is the future then invest in him now.
★ I fear Nate doing well against the tuneup end of the schedule and then Tedford saying wow, he’s back and then Nate sucking through the tougher conference end of the schedule.
★ Tedford blew Riley’s redshirt year on Nate’s bad ankle. He foolishly named Riley as 2cd string (as a redshirt!) and essentially forced Kyle Reed to transfer to SJSU. This was unbelievably stupid. At this point, we will only have Riley for 3 years and Mansion doesn’t look promising. Best to give Riley as much experience early on.
★ Nate has a big target on him given his fragility.
★ There’s a lot of plays that Nate can’t run or runs poorly.
★ Longshore is good at winning won games and easy games. He’s bad in the fourth and he’s bad when he’s down and he’s really bad injured or hit. Like Ayoob, he seems to have a ceiling. These are not good traits. I completely agree with your point, “Doesn’t take over game when needed.” It isn’t in him.
Looking ahead to 2008, Riley’s won the starting job. There’s nothing that Longshore’s shown that deserves reconsideration. But I fear that Tedford will be stubborn once again.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 23, 2008 7:09 PM PDT
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2 QB system - not me
I hope I haven’t confused anyone with my Game Starting Recommendations bit. I preface it by saying it’s “impossible” and not “advisable”... I, like you, do not want a 2QB system for the sake of playing both… I just want less latitude for Nate… if he’s playing poorly and we’re behind, he’s proven he’ll play even worse in the 2H and he’s not the ‘Come-back Kid’ hero type. So play Riley in the 2H.
I personally believe Nate is an amazing QB… i’m certain he will get drafted even if he’s benched this season. If you see his HL tape he’s also very mobile in the pocket and quick on his feet…. BUT only when healthy… this is why I also advocate we don’t do the “he can play through the pain” experiment again.
Taking over the game: This is an aspect I see in Matt Ryan, Tebow and Locker… when you’re down and out… do you turn into the hero or do you give up… I gotta give that to Riley… in both the games he played (OrSt, AF) he exhibited this ‘never-say-die’ type attitude. He’s definitely got that spark and may one day be the best Cal QB ever…. or its biggest bust… with only two games.. we just don’t know.
The one thing I’m sure about is I want Kevin to start the Big Game… we scored 13 points against them in 07!... 13 points!! Not all Nate’s fault (hawk dropped passes), but I want new blood in the Big Game.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 7:24 PM PDT
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I personally believe Nate is an amazing QB… i’m certain he will get drafted even if he’s benched this season.
Danzig, Top Dog serves up an ok hot dog, but the hot dog vendor at Memorial serves up the most outstanding dog I’ve ever had in my life. At $8/dog it’s cheap. I’ll bet you one Memorial dog that Nate does not get signed in the NFL next year. There were 13 QBs drafted last year and no one is putting Nate in the top 20.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 23, 2008 7:42 PM PDT
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I’m not talking crazy… i really do believe this. One thing that I learned from the draft year after year is that good college players don’t necessarily make good NFL draftees. I’ve seen total nobodies do the dance a the combine and get drafted in the 2nd round!!
If you watch Nate’s tape when healthy you’ll see he’s everything NFL teams want… minus the 4th quarter mishaps. In his film Nate’s mechanics are near perfect… if you want to see what a prototypical NFL QB looks like, watch Nate’s 06 MINN game… footwork, gun of an arm, release, looking of receivers… i mean, he does everything except to bring that ‘x-factor’... hopefully he can find some of that in 08. I really do wish him well.
by danzig on
Jul 23, 2008 7:57 PM PDT
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I’m glad you believe this but I can almost taste my dog.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 23, 2008 8:01 PM PDT
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I’m sorry, I should have extended the offer. Do any other Longshore fans want any of this dog action?
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 23, 2008 8:03 PM PDT
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i’m not a particular longshore fan, but i think i’d take a bit of that action.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jul 23, 2008 10:27 PM PDT
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I’m must warn you, I’m a really sore winner.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 24, 2008 10:47 AM PDT
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I’m a good winner, and a good loser. But damn am I a sore tie-er.
I kissed Dumpster Muffin and I liked it. The taste of her hippie chapped lips.
by Maharg on
Jul 24, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
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I'm in
If I ever make it out to the Left Coast for any games anytime soon.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on
Jul 24, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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★ There’s a lot of plays that Nate can’t run or runs poorly.
Coming from someone who has seen Tedford and the coaches coach Longshore and the entire team in in-season practices, I can tell you that (1) Tedford isn’t going to call plays that the players cannot run; and (2) if a player cannot run a lot of plays or runs them poorly then that player will not play.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 7:31 PM PDT
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I beg to differ.
Longshore ran the option last year.
by BearsNecessity on
Jul 23, 2008 7:32 PM PDT
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Touche
But that’s a different situation. I was assuming Olsonist was referring to Longshore running passing plays. I’m speaking in terms of passing plays. Option plays are a different situation because to maintain an element of surprise Tedford requires Longshore to stay in the game for that play to at least not tip things off that it’s an option.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 7:34 PM PDT
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Let me be more precise. The players (including Longshore) can run the option. Obviously, a faster QB would make the play more of a threat. But if it was completely a crap play, Tedford wouldn’t call it. So I’m not saying Longshore cannot run the option. He merely isn’t as effective running the option against the defense as a more mobile QB will be.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
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HT, I really meant anything where Longshore had to sell his running. As Danzig said, he’s not a good actor. He’s kind of saying, if the play isn’t about me, why should I care. There was one play that you analyzed where he sold it because he still had the ball. Joe Montana had world class acting skilz. He was always trying to fool someone after the handoff.
Stanfurd Delendum Est.
by Olsonist on
Jul 23, 2008 7:40 PM PDT
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