More Info On Meeting And Judgment Day Arrives!
Edit: Info on Order is inside. If I am understanding this correctly, good news all around! Long story short, Injunction dissolves within 7 days, unless they appeal and appeals court gives further injunction (which I understand is rare). Cal gets 85% costs (not fees, costs) split 3 ways between PHA, Berkeley, and California Oaks. And Cal could still put the beam et al back in, if they want, using only a reasonable value of CMS not a specific value. This is, by my account, a big victory for Cal. Let's see how the next week takes us.
I just spoke with CBKWit on the phone. He attempted to attend the City Council meeting that apparently was on for today. Again, just like Friday, nothing. He spoke with a woman there who may or may not be Councilmember Linda Maio, he wasn't wholly sure. The woman he spoke with said the Council was waiting for a final verdict before making a decision on appeal.
So, if the Judge is waiting for the Council to make a decision (as some have seemingly said) before issuing her final verdict, then this, well, this could take a while. Judge Miller, the ball is back in your court.
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This is the greatest moment ever and suddenly no one’s on this blog.
You all suck!
by CalBandGreat on
Jul 22, 2008 5:57 PM PDT
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Seriously, Lawyers!
We need you!
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by CBKWit on
Jul 22, 2008 6:07 PM PDT
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What's this?
What’s this? Did we win? I haven’t read anything yet.
People are saying “they” (the plaintiffs?) owe the UC 85% of their fees (I’m assuming attorney fees and not court costs).
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by HydroTech on
Jul 22, 2008 6:11 PM PDT
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Also, some dude’s saying that the injunction is lifted in a week.
by CalBandGreat on
Jul 22, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
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There are several things up right now at Register of Actions. Go there at the Alameda County court website here and type in this number:
RG06301644 (zeros, no os)
Go to Register of Actions, scroll down, go to page 2. Scroll down. Its all there. Read it for yourself. That is what I am about to do myself.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:15 PM PDT
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Ok, first things first, there is a rejection letter there about a motion for new trial. Not too much info, but it appears whoever tried to get the new trial did it in the wrong department. Ok.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:16 PM PDT
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I went back and re-read this letter. It says the Motion Intention To Move For New Trial was rejected for the following reasons:
“Please reserve a hearing date in Department 512 if you wish for your Motion to be heard in Department 512.”
I am going to assume the Petitioners did this. I am going to assume they tried to motion for a new trial. In the WRONG DEPARTMENT. WTF??? How embarassing….......
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 7:00 PM PDT
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As to the meat of the Order:
1. Campus officials who made alterations to plan were appropriate. No need to bring in regents.
2. No violation of due process, because a)Cal did everything by the book and b)Petitioners didn’t really specify nature of due process violation.
3. Cal has 30 days to give a supplemental briefing for the grade beam et al, if they want. They don’t need to do a specific valuation of CMS, merely a reasonable one.
4. Injunction is dropped in 7 days. This time period is to give Petitioners chance for appeals court. Fudge tickles!
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:21 PM PDT
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Will the Oaks appeal? Or was Volkker talking out of his sphincter?
It looks like the PHA wins on the doubling the events issue. Right?
And COB got nuhsing.
by CalBandGreat on
Jul 22, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
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Well, here’s the thing as far as I understand it. And if I’m wrong, somebody tell me.
If they had appealed before the Judge issued her final Order, the injunction would stay until the APpeals court had their way. Danzig discussed that previously. But I think this means that that avenue is lost.
So, now they can appeal. If the appeals court grants an injunction, then fucked, we are. My understanding is that that is super fucking rare. We’ll see. So, basically, if everything is as I am led to believe, 7.29 is the day!
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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An appeal before a final judgment
is called an “interlocutory appeal” and in one of the threads I discussed how rare it is for an appeals court to (1) grant review of an interim decision by the court below and (2) reverse the lower court on an issue before the final judgment is entered. The time for an interlocutory appeal is obviously gone b/c final judgment has been entered.
They must now appeal the final judgment, which I discuss below . . .
by oaktownmario on
Jul 22, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
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Hey, OakTown, did oyu see that Motion Is Rejected letter there? What do you make of that? As far as I can figure, the Plaintiffs tried to motion for a new trial and were rejected because they FILED IT IN THE WRONG DEPARTMENT? Does that mean maybe they were trying for your interlocutory appeal here, but fucked up? Hmmm…... If so, what EPIC stupidity!
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 23, 2008 7:38 AM PDT
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It is epic stupidity
but as far as I can tell was not related to an interlocutory appeal. It appears to have been an attempt to file a Motion for a New Trial with the Trial Court (in this case Miller). Essentially you’re saying that the Judge who just ruled totally fucked up and b/c of this fuck up you need a new trial. Very difficult to get a new trial, much less somehow win on it. Pretty much on most stuff you file, you need to call the Clerk of the court in advance of filing and the Clerk gives you available dates for filing your motion. You then put those dates on the motion. You generally can’t just file something without calling the Clerk in advance. That’s what appeared to have happened here which is just lame.
It’s these types of stupid things (along with saying all along that you won when you got your ass handed to you), that makes me question Volker’s statements regarding an automatic 20 day extension of time upon filing the appeal.
by oaktownmario on
Jul 23, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
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Well, I don’t know. Normally, I trust nothing that Volker says. But GreyBear seemed to agree with Volker’s statements regarding 20 day extension. That’s good enough for me.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 23, 2008 8:41 AM PDT
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Judgment:
1. As to CEQA, Petitoners petition denied for ALL save for the events doubling part, which we dropped anyway.
2. As to AP, Petitioners denied for ALL save for Cal has to deal with the law and the grade beam et al stuff, which we dropped anyway.
3. Otherwise, everything denied by Petitioners.
4. Issue Writ that just says if Cal wants to get the above stuff in, it has to do more stuff. Fair enough.
5. Cal gets 85% costs, split 3 ways (Berkeley; PHA; California Oaks Foundation). Noticed motion if want to get fees.
So far as far as I can tell this is a MASSIVE victory for Cal. Huge.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
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MASSIVE!!!!!!
Just read it. In summary, total, utter defeat of the opposition!!!!
It must have been your super-slick letter to BDP that made the difference.
by OskiMonsta on
Jul 23, 2008 5:53 AM PDT
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Appeal costs
Ok, so now this question becomes important.
There was a lot of talk at the last hearing about the PHA, Oaks being asked to incur $1 mill for every extra month assuming appeal. How does this come into play, and does it come into play even if COB is part of the appeal?
Also, if COB does join the appeal, and we end up winning, do we end up getting awarded damages paid by COB, or is their ‘public entity’ protection from bond keep them safe from that as well?
by PolarBear on
Jul 22, 2008 6:40 PM PDT
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Id be lying to you if I said I fully understood the ins and outs of appeal costs and construction bonds et al. The field of law that I practice does not have those sort of things. I didnt see anywhere in the Order/Judgment where it talked about 1 mil for each month, but maybe I miss it in my frantic scanning.
As a reminder, Cal was awarded costs, not fees. Fees are the billing of attorney’s work hours. You work for 1 hour, you bill 1 hours rate. A team of high priced lawyers over the span of 19 months billing at god knows how many HUNDREDS of dollars per HOUR? That number could be ASTRONOMICALLY huge.
Costs consist at least of the costs it takes to manage the trial. Filing fee etc etc. I am not sufficiently knowledgeable as to whether they include constructions delays/costs, but I do not believe they do.
So, if my understanding is correct, the amount of money currently awarded to Cal as against the City of Berkeley for costs is not as large as you might think. 1/3rd of costs. Not fees. But it is, I predict, still pretty frigging big. And Cal appears to have the door open to go after fees through noticed motion.
I predict they don’t, instead using it as leverage (and thats a pretty big FN hammer) against Berkeley to not appeal.
Look, I don’t want Berkeley to lose more money in this. I want Berkeley to have as much money as possible to help Berkeley. I don’t want Cal to bankrupt Berkeley, despite the spiteful part of me. Hopefully, this charade ends on 7.30 and we can all go home.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 6:58 PM PDT
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As for motioning for fees against the other two Plaintiffs, PHA and COF, I say ride them hard and put them away wet.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 7:03 PM PDT
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can UC do that?
can you pursue attorney’s fees against only some of the petitioners? i have no idea how such things work, but i would imagine you could only petition for attorney’s fees, and if granted, the judge gets to decide how to apportion those fees.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Jul 22, 2008 8:57 PM PDT
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I don’t know. In my field, we have essentially total control as to how to petition for fees. We can’t jack up the fees and there is a limit on the hourly rate (250 per hour). But we can cut them down or apportion them a certain way. The judge, of course, has to approve the fees, though they generally rubber stamp those petitions (as long as its not over 250 or excessive).
I don’t know how it’d be here, except that she said in her ruling, noticed motion.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 9:06 PM PDT
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Costs
would not include delay costs in constructions but costs related to the suit. As you have pointed out, filing fees, copying fees, mailing fees, courier fees, – all the costs except attorney hours incurred by the suit.
And UC can “settle” with COB on attorney fees by saying “look, we won’t stiff you with the attorney bill if you don’t appeal.” UC can then submit its motion for atty fees against the other two plaintiffs, with each of them responsible for 1/3 of those total fees. And there’s nothing they can do about COB settling out.
by oaktownmario on
Jul 22, 2008 11:49 PM PDT
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Our attorney says six figures in costs...
...but their Volker says less than $20k. Quotes are in latest sfgate article.
by zoonews on
Jul 23, 2008 12:30 AM PDT
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I would believe
UC attorneys b/c Volker is full of shit and he’s been wrong on almost everything related to this suit.
by oaktownmario on
Jul 23, 2008 12:31 AM PDT
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Construction costs
Is the only recourse for recouping overtime and other costs by suing the triumvirate?
by sec119 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:32 AM PDT
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Agreed...
..but either number makes it clear that you are correct: not included here are attorney fees, construction delay costs, delta force security retainers, UCPD triple overtime sudden death billables, all of the Tedford happy monies, etc. Smart, you are.
by zoonews on
Jul 23, 2008 12:38 AM PDT
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Word on the street from some dude at BI is that there will be a “closed door” City Council meeting take place on this matter this Thursday at 5. If I can find a link for this, I will, of course, pass it along here.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 7:51 PM PDT
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BPD article. Excerpts:
Alameda County Superior Court Judge Barbara J. Miller issued a judgment that upholds the university’s plans for a four-level gym at the grove site and hit the litigants—including the city and the late City Councilmember Dona Spring—with an order that they pay most of the university’s legal bill.
I like the sly insinuation there that the Cal is going after a dead woman and/or they shouldn’t have to pay because Dona Spring passed away.
Volker said he will be filing an appeal on behalf of the plaintiffs he represents within the next few days, though he couldn’t speak for the city or the Panoramic Hill Association.The appeal has to be filed while the injunction is still in effect to in order to win an automatic 20-day continuation of the injunction, he said.
"It is our belief the judge misread the law and has misapprehended the facts of the case," said Volker.
"The public has a vital interest in preserving the outstanding oak grove, and we believe we will be ultimately vindicated by the courts," he said.
My understanding is that Volker is right here, so we might have to wait longer. I don’t understand, though if Volker and Co. would have to pay the bond or costs for just twenty days if they do that. I’m not sure. It might be delayed by twenty more days, though. :(. We’ll see.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 8:47 PM PDT
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Man, as great as it is to have ‘won’, I feel like we’ve ‘won’ 30 times. I am going to celebrate on the inside, knowing that the rest is going through the motions, until ground breaks on the SAHPC and I spontaneously combust from the excitement.
However, if the Appeals Court defies all reason and continues the injunction, the immense downer that it would produce would be unbearable.
Fingers crossed. I see 20 more days after the appeal by Volker. (unless they have post bond before appealing?...)
by PolarBear on
Jul 22, 2008 9:14 PM PDT
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Well, its a process. And the plaintiffs here are losing hurdle after hurdle as Cal jumps over them. They could conceivably trip us up with this thing or that, but we keep “winning” with each step.
That said, this seems to be the most important step so far.
If the Appeals Court grants an injunction, I will most likely cry. A lot. In the least manly manner possible.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 9:21 PM PDT
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One of the former tree-sitters, Erik Eisenberg, better known by his protest name “Ayr,” said tonight that the tree-sit will continue despite the ruling.“Our response is the same as it was on day one,” he said. “We’ll leave after the university signs something legally binding to protect the trees in perpetuity.”
So, he’ll accept something legally binding as against Cal, but not against himself and/or the trees? How self-serving!
Note: Not written by Carolyn Jones.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
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Okanes blurb. Nothing much there.
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by TwistNHook on
Jul 22, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
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all i can say is...
choppity chop chop chop…
by totallyawesome on
Jul 22, 2008 10:12 PM PDT
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Oakland Tribune
Per Okanes blog, link to article from Tribune.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_9964976?IADID
“The timing of Miller’s decision is highly prejudicial against the petitioners. (Miller) did it in a way that makes it very difficult and inconvenient for us to pursue our legal rights to an appeal,” Buckwald said. “But we are going to do the best we can to get papers in to the appellate court as soon as possible.”
They talk tough for having to post a huge bond assuming COB has any sense of reason.
by PolarBear on
Jul 22, 2008 10:41 PM PDT
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wow.
great news, though still not a tree chopped down. I guess it’s like watching the Tour de France, and we’ve started winning the mountain stages, but have yet to arrive in Paris.
by sec119 on
Jul 22, 2008 11:02 PM PDT
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huh?
People watch the Tour de France?
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
by yellow fever on
Jul 23, 2008 4:57 AM PDT
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Wow, gone for a few hours and all kinds of stuff has happened . . .
Twist has done a good job of summarizing everything. He deserves a raise!
On the appeal issues I’m afraid I am not much help here cuz I don’t deal with injunctions related to construction, but my thoughts are as follows:
Generally, the filing of the appeal (“perfecting it”) does NOT operate to change a ruling on an injunction. Instead, the Appellants have to file a separate request called a Motion to Stay Injunction or Motion to Stay Order of Trial Court or something along those lines. In this case, because the injunction will dissolve in 7 days, if there is an appeal, the Appellants are essentially looking at filing an emergency motion to stay b/c they don’t have a lot of time. [Note: certain appeals automatically stay lower court proceedings]. Without engaging in a legal research project, I have to say that is is very difficult to win a request to stay a refusal to continue an injunction. It just does not happen very often and seems very difficult if not downright impossible. I did some research trying to find anything related to an automatic stay for 20 days (based on Volker’s comment) and could not find anything, so I’m not sure if Volker is just blowing smoke on this or not.
And of course there’s the bond issue. Again not my cup of tea, but generally when a party will incur losses related to an appeal and when it won at the trial level, then the appealing party has to obtain a bond in case it loses the appeal.
So Volker may be blowing smoke, or not, but this is a resounding victory for Cal and the football program. Even though more delay is possible, we are on the winning side of any appeal and that in itself is a HUGE victory. It is only a matter of time before the trees come down and before Tedford’s contract is extended (or the buyout increased?) by the groundbreaking.
I think if all of us were asked a few months ago whether we would have taken this ruling (which is now final), on July 22, we would have said “definitely.”
by oaktownmario on
Jul 22, 2008 11:35 PM PDT
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Where'd you go for a few hours? You should always be at your computer looking at CGB.
As much as we like to make fun of Twist’s lack of intelligence, I must admit I too think he did a pretty good job summarizing things.
Vote Brock Mansion for QB in 2008!
by HydroTech on
Jul 23, 2008 12:14 AM PDT
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Timber!
I hope they season that oak and use it in future Big Game bonfires!
by zoonews on
Jul 23, 2008 12:26 AM PDT
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G'night, longbo. G'night, Ayr. G'night, Dumpster muffin.
I drove home on Gailey/Panoramic past the stadium a few minutes ago. As I passed by the treesitters, it was nice thinking about when all their crap would be gone, and it’d be just a regular drive.
by sec119 on
Jul 23, 2008 12:33 AM PDT
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From Buckwad in the latest BDP article
"I can only hope that university officials have listened to the many people in this community who have spoken out in favor of the trees for the past two years-a coalition which includes a broad spectrum of Berkeley society-and they will realize the severe and lasting harm that will come of any rash action on their part to cut the trees down while we may still be standing at the courtroom door asking to be heard. Ignoring the wishes of the community like this would be counter to its paramount obligation to the public it serves. If it does so, the University of California will be forever stained in the eyes of many people who have supported it in the past. "
What a joke.
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Jul 23, 2008 1:14 AM PDT
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PolarBear, are you the same PolarBear who used to post over on thebandisoutonthefield
and could barely write a coherent sentence. If so, the schooling has really paid off.
by 33SwisherSweet on
Jul 23, 2008 10:11 AM PDT
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Haha, no not the same… Sorry if I stole someones ID. :)
by PolarBear on
Jul 23, 2008 10:17 AM PDT
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Pot calling the kettle black
I love this quote from Duckwad even more:
Irrespective of the unfair time constraints of the judicial process, the university still could choose to do the right thing and spare the trees until the appellate court rules.That approach would be cooperative and would ensure that the legitimate interests of the city and community were not shortchanged on a legal technicality.
If you replace “city and community” by “UC and its student athletes” doesn’t that precisely describe what has been going on for the last 18 months??
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