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Summary of Judge's Ruling: or "The Myth of the Hippie Victory"

[Ed's Note:  First, Danzig provided great analysis,   here  here  here  here here here  here  here  here  here  here  here  here and  here.  Now, OakTownMario, who has previously done some great analysis on this case for us weighs in.]

[Ed's Note 2:  I also added a poll to gauge the feeling of the people.]

So after uploading 129 images and printing them individually (take that trees!), I read through the entire decision, which at times was very boooooring.  (It was only after my arduous print job, that I much later discovered that someone put the whole decision into a PDF file. Oh well).

So the following is a summary and my impressions of the Judge’s decision.  As you can tell by the title, I have no flippin’ idea how the media claims this was a defeat for the school.  Alternate title: VICTORY!!!

 

Star-divide

 

A couple of notes: I refer to “Petitioners” as any of the Plaintiffs in the case, even though sometimes the Judge distinguishes who is making the claim involved.  I use mostly the term “UC” when discussing the Regents of UC, who are the true Respondents/Defendants.  I sometimes note numbers in the text.  This refers to the page numbers of the Judge’s decision.

 

Introduction (3-4)

 

In this intro the Judge basically gives a brief summary of her major rulings.  The Judge makes the following rulings: (1) UC’s Environmental Impact Report (EIR) certification complies with the Alquist Priolo Fault and Zoning Act (AP) and Cal. Environmental Quality Act (CEQA); (2) UC is subject to the AP. [AP is designed to prohibit the location of structures for human occupancy across the trace of active faults; (3) SAHPC does not violate the AP as (a) there is no construction on active fault; (b) overall the SHAPC is not an addition or alteration to Cal. Memorial Stadium (CMS).  (4) However, certain elements of the SHAPC are alterations to CMS so UC must determine the value of these alterations and of the existing CMS structure; (5) UC complied with CEQA procedural and substantive requirements for the Integrated Projects (IP) (term used for all the proposed construction); (6) However, record does not support UC findings related to earthquake related risks and the noise and traffic impacts that will be caused by the additions at CMS. [More discussion of all of these rulings follows].

 

Summary of Projects  (4-7)

 

The Integrated Projects or IP consist of CMS Seismic Improvements which include the SAHPC and improvements to the CMS, Law and Business School improvements, and parking facilities, improvements to some houses, and other relatively minor improvements.  The Stadium Project is divided into 3 phases and for our purposes can be defined as (1) the SAHPC; (2) press box and west side stadium improvements, including lighting; (3) seating expansion on east side of CMS.

 

Procedural History of the Case (7 – 9)

 

The Judge simply discusses all the prior proceedings in the case and how we get to where we are.  Of note is that the Administrative Record (AR)  in the case was 40,055 pages long! The AR are all the docs that UC relied on in saying “We want to build this now!”

 

The AP (9)

 

The Judge finds that the AP applies to UC.  9 – 17.  This was no surprise given that she already made this ruling in her December Order.  [I also previously posted a discussion on this previous decision on the former CalBlogs.]  The Judge goes into a detailed and boring analysis for several pages of why AP applies to UC.  Basically the court rejects UC argument that AP only applies to State Mining Board and to “cities and counties” as nonsensical, employing common rules of determining what a statute means and considering the legislative history of the AC.  Of import is the Judge’s finding that UC in “most respects,” properly determined the SAHPC complied with AP.  The Judge also rejects Plaintiffs claims that UC violated AP by failing to undertake public hearing process on geological reports. She found this was unnecessary under the AP.

 

Compliance With AP  (17)

 

Judge rules that in most respects UC properly determined that the SAHPC complies with AP. “The proposed SAHPC is not on an active fault or branch of a fault, and is not an addition or overall alteration to CMS.”  However, certain elements of SAHPC are alterations to existing CMS within meaning of AP.  She then goes into a discussion of what the AP is: it prohibits building on active faults when humans will occupy the building.  The AP does not apply to any structure in existence prior to May 4, 1975, except when altering or adding  to that structure AND the value of the alteration or addition exceeds 50% of the value of the existing structure. (19).  The Judge therefore reads the AP to limit the UC in three ways: (1) it can’t build across an active fault; (2) UC may not build within 50 feet of active fault unless no building is placed over an active branch of fault; (3) UC may not construct addition or alteration if cost of the alteration/addition exceeds 50% of the value of existing structure.

 

So how does the Judge evaluate whether there has been compliance with the AP.  She uses a common legal term called the “substantial evidence” standard.  Basically the question is whether there is substantial evidence in the 40,000 page record which supports UC decision.  In deciding, the Judge must look at the record  in the light most favorable to UC and must essentially resolve all doubts in favor of UC.

Her findings: (1) substantial evidence supports UC finding that SAHPC will not lie across an active fault or branch; (2) substantial evidence supports that the SAHPC is not an addition to the CMS.  She notes the UC project engineer always envisioned SAHPC as separate structure and plans have proceeded accordingly. 29.  She rejects Petitioners claims that the SAHPC is an addition based on Petitioner’s claims that it would be adjacent to the CMS, it would perform complementary functions, and would appear to the lay observer as one structure.  30  She says such an interpretation of addition makes no sense and would extend AP’s reach beyond original intent.  She also notes that UC architect testified it would be a separate building.  31 (3) SAHPC is not an alteration but  a distinct structure BUT some parts of the proposed project are  an alteration.  She says the following are alterations subject to AP: (a)  a grade beam to be installed along the CMS west wall; (2) alterations to staircases; (3) “floor slab penetrations” for purpose of installing SAHPC telecommunication system. 34.  The Judge says that in order for UC to comply with AP, UC must value alterations and value of CMS.  So the question becomes: is a beam, a stairwell , and floor slab more than 50% of value of CMS?  [Me: No. CMS is priceless! What is half of priceless?].  Judge notes that at the time of decision to approve SAHPC, UC had not valued CMS or decided on methodology for value.  Court instructs UC not to use “replacement cost” methodology, but says UC can use any other methodology to value the CMS. [Replacement cost methodology is basically saying, “well it would cost 500 million to build a new stadium, so CMS is worth $500 million”]. 35. [This is one of the only “losses” for UC in the whole decision].

 

The Judge also rejects Petitioners’ argument that UC must calculate the cost of all 3 phases of Stadium Project now.  Judge says UC can do this before construction begins, but does not have to do this before approval of all phases.

 

CEQA 36

 

The Judge reviews compliance with CEQA based on a “prejudicial abuse of discretion” meaning that UC violates CEQA if it did not proceed in manner required by law, or its decision is not supported by substantial evidence.  Basically a fair argument cannot be made to support UC’s decision.

 

Delegation 37

 

The Petitioners claim UC violated CEQA by delegating to the Committee on Grounds and Building (CGB) the responsibility to review and certify the final EIR, instead of the full board of regents doing this.  Judge says delegation is fine because the regents are empowered to delegate their work to any special committee or subcommittee 38 [Lots of boring delegation arguments that I’ll spare you from at pages 38 – 49].

 

Premature Approval, (not to be confused with premature ejaculation)

 

Petitioners contend UC violated CEQA by approving budget for SAHPC before the final certification of the EIR. 49  The Court finds this is not against law and UC has right to determine when it wants to comply with CEQA compliance.  The Judge also notes that pursuant to UC guidelines, approving a budget does not commit UC to spend the $ because final approval of expenditure requires CEQA compliance

 

Failing To Recirculate EIR 51

 

Petitioners claim UC needed to recirculate the EIR to the public when additional info was obtained on environmental impacts.  Judge says UC decision not to recirculate is supported by substantial evidence and does not violate CEQA (recirculation necessary when totally new information added to EIR).  The Judge found there was essentially further clarifications of EIR info and no “new” info and that there was no intent in the law to promote endless rounds of recirculation.  Subsequent info considered by the regents was clarification.  Blah, blah, blah . . .

 

Omitted Impacts 59

 

Petitioner claims UC omitted discussion of impacts resulting from removal of trees. 59  Court finds UC adequately analyzed impacts in 37 pages of analysis of impacts.  Court also finds that UC adopted feasible mitigation measures to lessen impact of removal of trees ; in the 3 – 1 replacement ratio. 61  The Court further found that there was no sensitive biological resources requiring further analysis of impacts.

 

Archaeology 65

 

Petitioners argue that the EIR inadequately addressed IP impacts on archaeological resources and specifically failed to address the 1923 discovery of Native American burial site in vicinity of CMS.  Court finds no error in the UC’s EIR discussion. 65  The draft EIR found that there was a likelihood of prehistoric sites in the area.  The EIR also noted that if a burial site is found, UC would stop work and preserve archaeology, and bring in archaeologist before proceeding with the project.  UC considered all this and have established mitigation measures.  No violation of CEQA in failing to discuss a particular burial site or specific archaeological resources in the EIR.

 

Project Description Is Legally Inadequate 68

 

            Petitioners claim the description of the IP is inadequate.  The Court says it’s ok to treat all seven projects as one Integrated Project and there is no need to make separate project descriptions.  EIR description of project is sufficiently detailed and includes the necessary items such as location, boundaries, objectives, characteristics, intended uses. Court rejects all of Petitioner’s arguments that EIR is not sufficiently detailed in this respect.

 

Project Description Is Stable 75

 

Petitioners essentially claim IP description is not stable or consistent. Court finds project description has remained constant throughout environmental review process and that the EIR adequately describes the geographic setting.  Further, the Judge finds that there is no need to provide geological study at this stage of the planning process.76

 

Impact Analysis (Earthquakes) 79

 

Petitioners claim UC performed an inadequate analysis of geology and seismic impacts.  Court says Petitioners are wrong and points out that there is 25 page chapter discussing this, including the mitigation of delaying scheduling of additional events at CMS until CMS seismic improvements are completed.  The Judge also finds that the EIR provides full disclosure of geological and seismic impacts including risk of death in case of earthquake. 83 Court rejects different claims of doom day earthquake scenarios suggested by Petitioners (CMS falling into the SAHPC or into the parking structure in the event of an earthquake).  Court says UC considered all the earthquake scenarios and address the risks.

 

Emergency Access 86

 

Petitioners argue UC has ignored emergency access impacts (access for emergency vehicles and people during emergencies such as earthquakes).  Courts says EIR did consider and analyze this: that draft EIR contains 17 page analysis, plus 7 additional pages in the final EIR. Substantial evidence supports UC analysis and determinations regard emergency access.

 

Objectives And Alternatives

 

Petitioners say project objectives violate CEQA because they combine 7 projects into one and that EIR alternatives analysis is inadequate  because the alternatives selected are flawed and analysis of the alternatives is flawed.  Court says EIR contains adequate project objectives  and that EIR identifies alternatives and appropriately analyzes these alternatives.  5 alternatives considered by UC  (1) no new projects; (2) projects with no new parking; (3) reduced size; (4) dispersed facilities throughout Berkeley; (5) dispersed facilities throughout Albany.  Because the UC considered alternatives, there was no need to analyze more or different alternatives.  [More long boring discussion on this . . . ]

 

Findings By UC 113

 

Petitioner’s claim UC did not adopt findings in the EIR that are supported by substantial evidence in the record.  They raise the issue of findings related to removal of trees, impacts to cultural resources (removal of 2 houses), effects of CMS permanent lighting, effects of renovations on the history of CMS and the wooded area.  The Court rejects these claims and rules that UC did make adequate findings on these issues.

 

In its findings UC states that doubling the # of capacity events at CMS will cause significant environmental effects that are unavoidable.  The Judge rules that this finding is not supported by the record because UC has not explained why maintaining the existing # of events is not feasible (as opposed to doubling them once the project is complete).  Because UC hasn’t done this it can’t say why increased traffic, noise and earthquake risk are unavoidable.

 

My Conclusions:

 

            The Judge ruled in favor of UC in all material respects except the following: the three alterations subject to AP: (a)  a grade beam to be installed along the CMS west wall; (2) alterations to staircases; (3) “floor slab penetrations” for purpose of installing SAHPC telecommunication system. 34.  The Judge says that in order for UC to comply with AP, UC must value alterations and value of CMS.  Judge also tells UC that it must explain why it has to double the events at the new CMS once the project is complete.  This seems relatively easy and would seem to require some language in revised EIR to the effect that with the improved Seismic CMS, UC will be able to double events and these events can’t take place anywhere else.  Accordingly, there will be increased traffic, noise, and earthquake risk. 

 

            The Judge has retained jurisdiction for purpose of monitoring compliance with the order so to me this means that once UC does what the Judge ordered, everything will be clear for chainsaws and bulldozers.  One frustrating part of her order is that she says nothing about the Injunction.  However, this should be sorted out in that she ordered Petitioners to prepare an order that complies with her ruling.  Petitioners will prepare an order that will be biased.  UC will object and insert language about the injunction being lifted.  Once the Judge approves the Order taking into account both sides, that should clear it up.  But it is a bit uncertain as of now.  Also, doesn’t this make you really hate American law.  It’s like that dude in Amistad who was so upset because no order was final and just kept getting appealed (no doubt a more important legal victory).

 

[Note: Please forgive for any typos or grammar as it is now 2:00 a.m. and I am tired.  I hope this helps and feel free to ask any questions as  I’ll be checking in from time to time.].

Poll
Now that the Judge has handed down her Order, how do you feel about the project moving forward?
Nothing can stop us! We're coming for you, trees!
41 votes
This all looks pretty good, but I'm kinda nervous about a few of these technicalities
52 votes
Well, I like what she did there and I think Cal can take care of these loose ends without too much fuss
27 votes
I'm still too angry at the irresponsible media reporting to really think about it
15 votes
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
15 votes

150 votes | Poll has closed

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Tedford and UC Lawyers

Tedford: Okay, the court has ruled. When are we going to knock the hippies out of the trees and start construction?

UC Lawyers: Well, we have to wait for the Petitioners to draft an order, then we have to review it and give our comments, then the judge has to review and approve the order, then we have to value the stadium, then we have to show that our improvemnts are less than 50% of that value, then we have to do another traffic and noise study, then . . . .

Tedford: You’re killing me here. Is that Michigan job still open?

Unless this gets resolved quickly, it sounds a lot like a victory for the numbnuts of the world.

by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Jun 19, 2008 7:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great summary

Focusing on the two “losses,” my thoughts:

1. I can’t imagine we’ll have a hard time showing that the cost of the 3 additions to CMS will exceed 50% of the value of CMS. Even if we can’t use replacement cost, how much could a beam, staircases, and floor slab penetration cost? CMS was built in 1930 for $1.4MM. In today’s dollars, that’s about 18MM. Could those 3 items cost more than $18,000,000? Alternatively, the present value of the revenue CMS brings in from ticket sales HAS to be more than the cost of those 3 things. Am I wrong in thinking this issue will be no more than a slight nuisance for us?

2. Whether the environmental impact of 2x the # of events at CMS is “unavoidable” or not seems like a tougher issue. There’s a difference between wanting to 2x the # of events and it being unavoidable (regardless of whether we’re if we would be able to and whether they could be held anywhere else). In fact, it’s not clear to me that the renovations project is what would make us even able to host more events – CMS could clearly host more events than it does right now. I’m concerned that we’re going to stuggle on this point, and future use of the stadium for more events will be jeopardized.

The Bear will not quit, the Bear will not die

by Calfan on Jun 19, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Legitimate concern Calfan

but we have to remember that the Standard of Review (is it legal or not based on substantial evidence in the record) defers greatly to the decision making body (UC) in the planning stages of a project. IMO UC can simply go back and state that with the improvements, including seismic improvements, lighting, seating improvements, etc. it is now safer to hold more events. I’m sure it can point to increased interest in use of CMS for a number of different type of events. Also, CMS will be cited as the only campus facility that can hold large capacity events. This in turn would mean recovering $$ spent on the stadium and making it more profitable for the UC to maintain. There’s really a number of ways UC can go and I’m sure they’ve got it pinned down as to which direction to go. In my view, UC doesn’t have to justify its reasons, but does have to explain them and explain what it is doing. I think that’s what the Judge’s ruling went to on this particular issue. The Judge basically said: Go back and say something about why events will double and why this is “unavoidable” (necessary), and then say that more traffic, noise, etc. is unavoidable.

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Valuation is key

Point 1 is way more important, not necessarily for this round but for the future.

The valuation of CMS will determine how much money we can put into phase 2 and phase 3 renovations of CMS proper. While your argument is true – it will not affect this project, imagine what would happen if CMS really was valued at 18MM. We’d be able to renovate to the tune of 9MM dollars in phase 2 and 3.

Obviously we’ll get a higher valuation than that, but this is the key point – we have to argue valuation now, before SAHPC, and we gotta get a good valuation or method to determine valuation or else we’ll have a beautiful new training center sitting next to a permanently decrepit stadium.

by tmoran3020 on Jun 19, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I would definitely go with my priceless argument. Then we could spend half of “priceless” for the renovations. I think we need the MasterCard people to do the valuation.

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry didn’t see this post initially. You are spot on, my later post repeats the same issue.

by OskiMonsta on Jun 19, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

EYE ON BALL

Remember what this case was really about to begin with?... Hill people trying to stop the building of the SAHPC… and we won that case!! WE GET TO BUILD THE SAHPC. The rest are crumbs off the table.

The only thing we are arguing about now is changing the wording on the EIR and the valuation of the stadium.

Miller states on page 35 that replacement value (current value to build new one) shouldn’t be use because its too high, but rather just as a starting point, then you muct subtract all the depreciation that stadium has suffered thus far from whatever starting point. So what could that depreciation number be???

TRUTH: Total depreciation cannot exceed the total original book value of the property. You depreciate $1.4M over 10 or 1000 years and still the total depreciation cannot exceed $1.4M. Even if you use today’s dollars of $18M, the total depreciation cannot exceed $18M…that’s $575M – $18M = $557M… $557M*.5 = $278M.

Meaning, the beam and the other ‘additions’ cannot exceed $278M. Now from that starting point, put yourself in the Hipppie lawyer’s shoes and start to argue for lower starting numbers… how far can you bring it down from this LOGICAL starting point?

IF I WERE A HIPPIE
What I would argue if I were the tree people is to redefine “depreciation” somehow… to value the depreciation as “improvement costs”... meaning taking all the stuff that is in shambles today and value the fix-up costs in today’s dollars. eg… $575M – [cost to fix stadiums major problems].

What could THAT number be? Even if it were 40% of the value of the stadium itself, which is waaay generous it would be $230M in fix-up costs. That would still leave the starting value to be $345M, and if we take half of that we get $172.5M. Does the three ‘additions’ exceed $172.5M???

No, it does not.

We’ve overcome the major hurdles people, we just need to cruise to the finish. In a few days, everyone will start to realize this.

by danzig on Jun 19, 2008 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cal fans are born pessimistic. That’s the problem. We’ve been slapped seven ways from Sunday throughout this whole process. Even our highly scientific poll has the “We kinda won, but Im nervous” winning big over “We kinda won and we can deal with these little things.”

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

haaahaa

yes it was a scientific poll, i will concede that.

From a nit-pick perspective, there were about 285 separate ‘claims’ that the Hills were making in the case… 98% of them went in our favor…. still don’t feel better?... okay…

The sole reason for this case was to attach AP to the $140M SAHPC… so that the 50% rule blocks the SAHPC. Miller gave us what is legally called “separation” rather she ‘decoupled’ the SAHPC from the AP statues. Then threw the Hills some crumbs such as the beam etc… but she knows they’ll lose that argument and they won’t be able to blame her for it… brilliant actually on Miller’s part.

It might make you feel better if you could hear the conversations going on, not with the press, but with the plaintiff’s lawyers… trust me, they’re finger-pointing, whining or outright sobbing. Do you really think the Hill’s lawyers are optimistic at this point?

by danzig on Jun 19, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do kind of wish I could be a fly on the wall of the Plaintiffs lawyers once they read the Order for real and didnt just hear what the news said. That would be interesting. I wonder what they think of Volkers insanity.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The issue is not the cost of the alterations

Clearly Cal can come up with a valuation of CMS that is much more than 2x the cost of the alterations. But the issue is that the next phase is the renovation of the stadium itself. Here AP clearly applies and Cal will have to add the SAHPC alterations to the main CMS renovation and demonstrate that this is less than half of CMS value. Again, since I expect that the alterations don’t cost much, no big deal. Except that the judge rules that Cal cannot base the CMS valuation on replacement cost, which was probably their preferred methodology providing the highest valuation and creating the most budget for renovations.

We’ll have to see how high they can get the valuation. If the judge does not accept a high valuation methodology, we may still be able to do the SAHPC but not the subsequent CMS renovation. (I’m sure Cal already has ballpark estimates on this.) If we cannot make CMS safe after building the SAHPC then there is no point and the whole project basically is dead.

Sorry to be a downer here folks, but this is far from a done deal…

by OskiMonsta on Jun 19, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would Cal not build the SAHPC (upgrading the facilities for 13 sports teams and making it tougher for Tedford to flee), if they are unable to do the later renovations regarding Memorial Stadium?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um ya, probably we’d do the SAHPC anyways, but in the grand scheme we’d have to rethink our dedication to the on-campus stadium at that point, so maybe having the center there wouldn’t make much sense.

I’m confident that the judge will allow a valuation sufficient to do earthquake retrofit – seismic safety is the point of the A-P law, so it’s a moot point probably. Whether we get enough valuation to make Memorial cooler than just spiffying up its current state is another question though.

by tmoran3020 on Jun 19, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oski

I think everyone here understands that valuation is key and I’m sure UC will hire (if they have not already) a firm that will give the greatest valuation possible and that firm will be able to support it with a factual record. That is all that really needs to be done. To put things in proper perspective though, the improvements to CMS depend on various factors not named Judge Miller. The Judge pointed out that Phase 2 and 3 of the project (retrofitting, press box, lighting, sound system, seating, and councourse improvements) are still in planning and that “whether and when these pases will be built is dependent on a number of factors” including (1) fundraising efforts and (2) the scope of the seismic retrofit and program improvements that can be developed without exceeding the 50% value. Page 5 – 6 of Decision. Remember that the law suits were in a sense premature in that they attacked UC at the planning stages. So IMO UC will improve CMS, but what those improvements are depend on a good valuation that can be supported by a record. That leaves a lot in control of UC and essentially puts UC in control of its destiny IMO.

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good analysis

Great job Oaktownmario.

FWIW, I have posted my detailed analysis over on my blog for those who are interested:

http://excusemeformyvoice.com/blog/?p=232

by kencraw on Jun 19, 2008 8:59 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I admit I lol’d. GTFO troll

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame me....

Running wolf is so dreamy!!!

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, when is Dumpster Muffin going to show up?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm planning on writing a expose on her in my upcoming story

about the people’s righteous movement against capitalism, football, and all things UC. Keep an eye out for it. I can guarantee it will be factually correct and not biased whatsoever!

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spelling and grammar are not my strong-suits....

I had a rough day yesterday. You know? All that investigative journalism and NOT reading through the 129 ruling/order will really get a girl down.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I try to use to get out of chores around the house at the end of the day.

“Sorry, honey, I can’t take out the trash, 8 hours of NOT working today really wore me out.”

It rarely works. :(!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it works for me....not only was I fortunate enough

to write for the daily cal, I then moved on to work for the highly esteemed SF Comical. Dont ya wish you had a job just like me? Dont ya wish you could shake your ass like me? Don’t ya?

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don’t wish I could shake my ass like anybody else. I feel as if I shake my ass perfectly fine, thank you!

You should wish you could shake your ass like me!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you shake it like running wolf

then I do wish I could shake it just like you.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should play the Carolyn Jones drinking game. Everytime you read one of her articles and she includes the following words or phrases, take a drink:

sacred
recently discovered Native American burial remains
UC Cal
racist capitalist system
overthrow

and, of course, the classic

Tedsuck

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

UC Cal?

Really? Does she use the ATM Machine too?

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey! Dont speak ill of UC Cal. Thats my favorite “incorrect” name for Cal. Its far better than Kal or Suckfuckingston. Well, at least it is better than Kal.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the first thing i learned on my guided tour of campus is that we don’t go by UCB cuz some ‘other’ places use that. Do we ever go by THE University of California? like, THE ohio state?

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or napoleon dynamites bro...

the king of the bowstaff.
do the hippies have large talons?

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you rule oak.

what a brilliant breakdown. made it so even a numbnut like myself could understand.

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 10:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone see the crap job the chron did this morning editing my

article to include some truth and factual accuracies? Gosh, it makes a girl just want to cry.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:37 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

awww

maybe you are just emotional due to the visit of an unwelcome monthly visitor!

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it seems that the monthly visitor comes around EVERY time

I am assigned to write about the stadium project.

Here’s a random fact about me I bet you didnt know. I started hating UC Cal the day I received my rejection letter from Stanford.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Generally, I’d say that it is probably poor form to personally mock a media member instead of going after their message.

But her message has been so obviously biased and flawed for so long now, it’s tough to have any sympathy or empathy for her.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gentlemen, I'm just trying to lighten the mood in here after your DEVASTATING

loss to comrade running wolf and the rest of the tree people yesterday.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe me, Ms. Jones. We appreciate the gracious winner attitude you have so far displayed this morning. It’s just so hard for us to overcome the brooding depressing we have all fallen into. We could use more of your unique comedy stylings if we are to emerge forth into the light!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

is it possible that she’s as brutal to read as the LA Times Bill Plaschke?

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm missing something

but is that really Jones? If so I suggest she go read the Judge’s decision so she can see what it actually says.

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel strongly that it is not the actual Carolyn Jones, but instead somebody joking around. Honestly, I was thinking of creating a Dumpster Muffin handle and doing posts under that name, too. But now, “Carolyn Jones” has beat me to the punch. sigh

Damn you, “Carolyn Jones”! Damn you! Why must you be funnier than me????

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twist nailed it......

I beat him to the punch…...

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And now somebody is going to totally sign up as Dumpster Muffin and take that idea, too. Oh well, they’d probably be a better Dumpster Muffin than me. Although, lord knows I’m one hell of a Dumpster Muffin!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mario...

this is not Jones. I would no. It’s an attempt at sarcasm.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I respect your ability to stay in character with all these grammar and spelling mistakes. Quite the method actor, you.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I try....

much like my objectivity so apparent in my write ups on Running Wolf and the Gang.

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but your name says that you are! people aren’t allowed to lie on the internet i thought!

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's how Al Gore originally designed

but things have strayed far from his original vision. Oh, if only old people in Florida hadn’t mistakenly voted for Pat Buchannan!

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Other News Sites Say

Here’s a link from the SFist

Oddly enough, Dumpster Muffin’s crying fit atop one of the trees yesterday afternoon - as if daddy were taking away her AmEx - did not manage to get her forcefully pulled from the oak. (What’s more, her non-baptismal name is currently our favorite among the tree squatters.)

A very slanted Daily Planet Article, accusing UC Police of nearly pushing them down the stadium stairs

As the reporter was leaving, he was shoved in the back by a university officer and would have fallen down the concrete stairs had not he been grabbed by Doug Buckwald, one of the long-time supporters of the tree-sit.

Contra Costa Times seems to be fairly impartial, though at least says this early on:

In a 129-page ruling that was issued after 6 p.m. Wednesday, Alameda County Superior Court Judge Barbara Miller ruled that UC Berkeley’s student athlete high performance center, with certain exceptions, is in compliance with environmental and earthquake zoning laws.

ABC News Short Article & Video Clip – much better than last night.

U.C. Berkeley police said there are now seven tree-sitters left and they’re all in one redwood tree because all of the other platforms have been taken away. The university has the right to remove the tree-sitters however they possibly can. But the university says they can’t do it safely – so they will remove their platforms and infrastructure to try and force the sitters out of the trees. The tree-sitters say they’re not going anywhere.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously folks let’s the TF2 pyros in on it. In one fell swoop we can take out the hippies and the trees.

I’ll do the honors. I don’t have 45 hours as a pyro in that game for no reason

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

realizes that he has no life

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i'm worried about the removal

after visiting the grove last night, i’m definitely unsure how UC intends to remove these people…starving them out, as politically terrible as that is, may be the only option.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well you know its gonna have to be done uber-carefully. harming a single hippie hair surely would incur the wrath of the tree gods, or maybe Kahn.

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAHN

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it definitely helps if they can keep the tree-sitters in one tree. Chop down one by one, further isolating the tree until there’s nowhere they can go. Then simply nuke them from orbit.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 19, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll admit, I laughed out loud (is there an easy to use acronym for that) at the last line.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doesn't UC

shoot tranquilizers at them? We can get PETA involved and say “Look, humans are treated just like animals. We’ve attained equality of the species.”

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I and others were saying yesterday while standing on Bancroft waiting for something to happen.

Just wait until Dumpster Muffin sits down, tranq her so she doesn’t fall out, and pluck her out of there into the cherry picker. No one on the ground would be getting over the fence easily when you’re facing 40 police officers with guns and you don’t have shoes. Plus, there were tons of people in the “crowd” who were anti-hippie.

As soon as you attack a police officer, you give up your rights.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To those of you who've been there recently

Does UC have the “manpower” to starve them out? Are there enough officers there to prevent other hippies from brining in food and water? Is the enclosed area that large? When I went to a few games last year I frankly had better things to do than look at hippies.

by oaktownmario on Jun 19, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to ABC, it’s costing the University $770k per month to NOT start building, so they want to get the hippies out now. I don’t know where they got that figure…

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time = money

I never knew it, but apparently a month costs $770,000

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Police Numbers

I did a quick count today and counted 50 police officers. This is only what I could see, so there are definitely more and this is a DEFINITE increase over the past couple of days.

by OskiWeeWee on Jun 19, 2008 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t understand why the treeshitters are still up there. Volker said the project is “dead”. They won, so they can come down now.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure the hippies are as distrustful of Volker as everyone else is.

They also said that they won’t come down until the University agrees that the project is dead…basically saying that they don’t believe their own counsel.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As to the your original questions about the manpower and size of the area, when I was there yesterday a new hippie managed to run a blockade and make it up a telephone pole. Someone who helped him was arrested, and later another hippie was arrested for trying to steal some arborist tools.

Once he was up there the police didn’t bother him anymore, but it would be pretty easy to bring the fence all the way to the sidewalk and then put the collars around the telephone poles so you can’t climb them anymore (like a rat guard on the lines when a ship is moored to a dock).

Another option would be to move the fence all the way to the middle barrier of the street, block off parking on the other side of the street, and redirect both lanes of traffic to that side, though I’m not sure if the city would approve of that. It would be better than now, though, which just the north direction of Piedmont fully blocked.

It’s supposed to be HOT this week and even this weekend (though a little cooler). Dumpster Muffin won’t last long up there in this heat without water, and all of the other hippies are confined to a single tree apparently. Good times!

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Video Clip

I just watched the ABC video clip (it was from from last night). It really makes Volker look like a crazy hippie on the street compared to the professional press conference Cal put on.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 11:47 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

i think he must have ran straight from the courthouse…

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Volker

He reminds me of Bill Gates, only more smarmy! Of all the petitioners, why is he the only mouth piece? It is just because he’s just a publicity hound?

by Montezuma's Revenge on Jun 19, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's Volker?

Just watched the video and holy crap he is a total nut job. You’d think the PHA could afford a better attorney than that. He seems half-retarded.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Volker is a total nut job

because he represents nuts, or acorns in this case.

Volker reps the Save the Oaks.

PHA was rep’ed by Michael Lozeau and the COB was rep’ed by Harriet Steiner. I have yet to see Lozeau and Steiner make any statements to the media. But every time I see Volker he’s way off the deep end.

by Montezuma's Revenge on Jun 19, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Volker's also working pro bono

which means that his compensation in this case is basically media attention.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

pro bono

So in this case, the Oaks got what they paid for, eh?

by Montezuma's Revenge on Jun 19, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's not working pro-bono

This is a very common lawyer’s trick. He will got compensated in other ways and his billiable hours will be charged to third party… trust me…

In cases where you want grass-roots protest… or you want to look like you’re fighting “for the people”... you side channel your compensation and say triumphantly… “I’M WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THIS CASE”

Happens so often now that I’m surprised you didn’t see this rag.

by danzig on Jun 19, 2008 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh

in matters such as this, i suppose i’m no better than a country rube.

in any case, i never thought that he was doing this out of the goodness of his own heart. he was clearly being compensated in some manner…

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait........
ABC News Short Article & Video Clip – much better than last night.

Was that a hot girl when the camera panned Memorial Stadium during the game? No, couldnt have been….

by NorCalLonghorn on Jun 19, 2008 12:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

that's part of the cameraman's job at sporting events

find the hot girls, however scarce, and put them on TV. nothing gets higher ratings than hot girls in your favorite team’s colors.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 19, 2008 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it might have actually not been at a football game (basketball maybe?).

It also could have been the voiceover saying “separate sports facility projects” at the same time as they were showing her that makes me think this…I’m not sure.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you post a link to the video? I only find a slide show.

preesh!

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you mouse over the slideshow it lets you choose which thing you want to see.

The video I was originally talking about used to be the first one… Now it’s #3, called “Judge hands split decision”.

by thenick on Jun 19, 2008 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks thenick

Just figured it out. Weird website.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, well, well...

What do know boys, o’l Carolyn decided to change her captions on the pictures from her story last night. It no longer calls the grove, “sacred.” What a joke the SF Comical is. I really think they owe us an explanation.

by CaliSeth on Jun 19, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone tried emailing me? I haven't received any that I know of.

I’d be delighted to hear your displeasure with my “reporting/writing” abilities.

Email me at carolynjones@sfchronicle.com

by Carolyn Jones on Jun 19, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did she change “sacred” to “hallowed”?

The thing that’s really irritating is that retractions aren’t effective. Most people read a story once and that’s it.

I’m shocked they published a story about a complex legal decision without having an independent review. There should have been major red flags all through her story to whatever editor was working last night. I wish I saved a copy of it to send to the Chronicle Editor in Chief along with a request for her dismissal.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

What makes me upset is how she is never held accountable. I have had a running battle with her for the last 18 months. I once sent her an enraged email and she wrote back. We had a bit of back in forth before I think she realized I really hated her. Bottom line, the chicks crazy. She has no concept of journalistic integrity.

Oh and when that joke the Comical makes changes to their numerous errors they never acknowledge the fact. I would like to somehow get an explanation about her calling the grove “sacred” I mean where the hell did that come from? I talked to another guy last night over on the Comical message board who said earlier in the day one of the captions had said something to the effect, “arborist destroys trees as protesters scream.” Ah, hello! They weren’t destroying the trees, only removing their stupid fucking tree houses. I have seen biased articles before, especially from Jones, but that had to be the most egregious ever!

by CaliSeth on Jun 19, 2008 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seth, don’t you think “hate” is a strong emotion here? Yes, Carolyn Jones doesn’t seem like a very good journalist, allowing her personal biases to dictate her supposedly objective stories. But hate?

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably means it in the same way that I HATE when there’s too much mayo in the potato salad.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 19, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

she hates jocks Twist, isn’t that a strong emotion? I saw it on her myspace page, it was later taken down.

Seriously though, I guess I don’t hate her. If anything I pity her, she is truly pathetic…

by CaliSeth on Jun 19, 2008 2:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

She is exactly what is wrong with journalism today. And why I laugh when the “mainstream” media says blogs have no credibility.

Laugh at them! HA!

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I fear to know the contents of the assuredly scathing emails you sent to her. My PG-13 eyes can only handle so much!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you deleted your profile

But you do have one at LinkedIn.

Only 1 connection? Even your own co-workers won’t connect to you? Sad.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know if I'm hot or do am I with the tree peole because I was beat

with the ugly stick? A general description would be nice. I’m definitely a “face person.” I’m betting I’m no hotter than a Nor. Cal 4 out of 10.

by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 19, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAH.... BLEW MY COVER....OH WELL

Went on for far too long!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 19, 2008 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

Got too caught up in your multiple personalities, swish.

I think Seth found her MySpace page before. I searched myspace for CJ’s in the bay area and found quite a few, but none that seemed to fit.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha BUST-ED!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good while it lasted, eh guys?

See, Roy, I do have a sense of humor!

by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 19, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next I want to see your Dumpster Muffin.

That…............came out wrong.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I’m going to go take a Dumpster Muffin right now. I hope it doesn’t come out wrong…

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 19, 2008 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn’t a Dumpster Muffin some sort of coprophilic technique? Kinda like a Cleavland Steamer?

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see this ending poorly.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

man i hope DM gets out of the tree soon, im dying to ask her out. she seems like she’d be a real treat to take to the olive garden.

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Dumpster Muffin. She gives me tons of wood!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

she better not be harming any oaks

to bring you that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, in fact, wood is a slang term for when the male phallus (or penis) is engorged with blood causing it to become erect. So, I, in fact, was saying that I find Dumpster Muffin sufficiently attractive that she caused blood to rush to my crotchal region and engorge it with blood.

No trees were harmed in the writing of this subthread.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

have you tried letting HER know? did you ever consider HER feelings? Maybe it would make her day to hear something like that!

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the sort of calm and reasoned analysis we’ve come to expect from HydroTech.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not quite.
According to the authoritative Urban Dictionary, a dumpster muffin is:

a skanky woman who hangs out by and in dumpsters and gives oral, carnal, and anal sex to men passing by, often in exchange for drugs or cigarettes.

by joffle on Jun 19, 2008 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh noes. I might have just found out that I am a Dumpster Muffin.

Does this mean I have to climb up to the top of that tree??

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes that was a clever one I admit. And I feel honored that I was the first to respond to your Jones identity.

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Roy, with that I offer you an olive branch. I will sport a yellow shirt to the home opener against MSU.

It’s still not a bigger game than any other game though. ;)

by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 19, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

aahhh, young love. Its so sweet! SwisherSweet!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I may have offered the olive branch, BUT

Carolyn Jones hasn’t!!!!

We’ll see whether I wake up on August 31st as SwisherSweet33 or Carolyn Jones. Be good to me Roy!

by 33SwisherSweet on Jun 19, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see this ending AMAZINGLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

takes olive branch and slaps Carolyn Jones with it

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 20, 2008 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Celebration Party

I think it’s time to get drunk and tear the hippies down from the trees, so that we can be entirely prepared for construction ASAP. Who’s with me?

by Maharg on Jun 19, 2008 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Memorial Stadium's Value

If not replacement cost, then how do we value CMS? I’m with OaktownMario, and I consider it truly priceless to the extended Cal community that this building serves. It is a shrine, it is a pilgrimage site, it is a deeply meaningful house of memory. Indeed, I’d be willing to testify under oath in court that its significance to me-an extremely secular Cal alum-is equivalent to the signicance that, say, a Roman Catholic might place on St. Peter’s basilica or a Muslim on the mosque in Mecca. And while religious readers of this comment might roll their eyes and say, “Yeah, right”, this is not hyperbole. I mean what I write.

That said, I can’t expect that a court would give much weight to my testimony, or that it would accept a value of “priceless”. So I ask again: if not replacement cost, then how does one value the stadium? I fear this may become a very big issue down the road, when work begins on the stadium itself.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Jun 19, 2008 3:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I am being short-sighted here, but I find it hard it hard to care a lot about the valuation thing. Yes, it could trip us up in the later phases. But I guess I’m so focused on just getting phase one done, that it’s tough to care about phase two. It’s like a “We’ll cross that bridge when we get to it” sort of syndrome.

Hopefully, Sandy Barbour and her UC Cal co-workers are better at this than me. ;)

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by TwistNHook on Jun 19, 2008 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Her ruling suggests it should be replacement value minus depreciation. Cal says replacement is $600 million, but the depreciation part is unclear to me. But she also says nothing was submitted on valuation, so she can’t pronounce.

All in all, this ruling is about as good as we could have hoped for. Given the “buckshot” approach of the plaintiffs, we were very unlikely to get an immediate, all-out victory. But hopefully now we can close quickly.

I’m fear the judge saying she needs another 3 months to think about the valuation, then appeals…what a collosal waste of time and money.

by OskiMonsta on Jun 19, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously. If this was SEC territory calling a football stadium a religious shrine would be acceptable. And personally I think Football saturdays are like the whatever-religious-people-call those days.

And funny enough I’m pseduo-religious so this isn’t coming from an atheist.

As for how to value it can they use the loss argument? In other words how much money would they lose if the stadium was destroyed? We’d then have cost of destruction + safety costs + loss of ticket sales + loss of advertising revenue + loss of fundraising costs + loss of concession sales + and a bunch of other losses.. Would that work or is that still replacement cost?

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Priceless Argument

It is listed on the National Register of Historical Places. So, since it is considered of historical significance it’s irreplaceable and therefore priceless.

Ergo, vis a vis, concordantly Go Bears!

by CalBandGreat on Jun 19, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As the structure within which the following occurred:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7aCDfJH6eRY

I’d say that just about locks up its value as infinite, for all eternity.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 19, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“THE BAND IS OUT ON THE FIELD!!”

In other words, Go Bears!

by royrules22 on Jun 19, 2008 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i never get tired of watching the tuba player or whatever he is, just get rolled right before the Cal dude does the like two handed mega victory spike.

by Itchy25 on Jun 19, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Photos from Thursday, June 19

As mentioned somewhere above (before the loooooong tangent), the police did in fact move the barricade all the way to the median. Traffic still flows in the south direction. The camps of folks are now on the median and on the University side of the street.

An overview:

Folks on the ground and you can see Dumpster Muffin’s perch at the top of the picture:

Closer look at Dumpster Muffin. Yes, she’s not on the platform, but somehow just holding on to the top of tree. It looks like she’s moving in this picture, but she’s not.

Police watching the trees and the crowd:

Go Bears!

by OskiWeeWee on Jun 19, 2008 10:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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