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Ryan Anderson Open Thread

Edit:  Good luck, Ryan Anderson.   Hopefully, this doesn't portend what Wednesday's decision will be.

This week is a big week.  Two big turning points for each Cal football and men's basketball.  On Wednesday, Cal will find out the ruling in the Memorial Stadium Court case. 

But first, we find out whether Ryan Anderson will decide to stay in the draft or come back to Cal.  Mike Montgomery came to Cal, because he thought that with Ryan Anderson on the team, they could make a solid run in the post-season.  At the Coaches Tour in May, he said his biggest recruit would be Ryan Anderson.  And now we'll find out whether Montgomery's hopes and efforts paid dividends. 

This open thread is not only for people to post their own personal speculation and/or the speculation of major/minor basketball personalities, but also any concrete news on the decision.  Like, yknow, the decision.  I'm nervous, people!  Totes nervous!  Totes nervous for realz yo!

If Ryan decides to come back to Cal, this is certainly great news for the men's basketball team going forward.  And if Ryan decides to stay in the draft and follow his dream, good luck to him!  Either way, GO BEARS!

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Only One More Day

I’ve been posting updates on TSN regarding Ryan Anderson news at:

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/AKBear

It would be great if he returns. Imagine what Montgomery could do with Anderson!

by AKBear on Jun 15, 2008 11:35 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ryan Anderson should return, only if for the pleasure of seeing Jerome Randle bounce pass the ball into traffic or go behind the back and watch the rock sail out of bounds. I think it’d be important for Anderson to get to watch a point guard with such an exquisite grasp of “fouling up the moment”.

by BearsNecessity on Jun 16, 2008 2:28 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm all for the guy getting paid

If he’s good enough and that’s what he wants to do. I get the feeling that he wouldn’t be able to improve his stock all that much – I mean, look at Chase Budinger. He seems like a fairly decent comparable, in that he has decent stats but doesn’t have the overwhelming athleticism. Short of an Adam Morrison-like year scoring, I don’t think he would be able to improve his stock that much by sticking around.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Jun 16, 2008 7:22 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also

Chad Ford weighs in:

Ryan Anderson and Jamont Gordon both have a good shot of getting a commitment from a team late in the first round. Anderson has been praised at workouts for his shooting ability, in spite of questions about what position he’d play in the pros.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Jun 16, 2008 8:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know I should be a selfless fan

but in my selfishness, I always hope for the player to stay. I know I should appreciate all he did for the university, congratulate him when he leaves, etc, but i can’t help feeling like a beautiful girl turned me down for prom and went with a better option. It’s the curse of the college fan.

Cal’s basketball program would benefit a great deal from him staying, as he would help Montgomery look good in his first year, attract more recruits, and bring more prestige.

So selfishly, I hope he stays. And if he doesn’t, begrudgingly, I’ll wish him well.

by Moscow Doug on Jun 16, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does anyone know

if Anderson has scheduled a press conference? Or when the announcement is coming?

by Moscow Doug on Jun 16, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

deadline is 5 EST

beyond that, i haven’t heard anything.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

andy katz on Anderson (insider required):

Cal sophomore forward Ryan Anderson said in a text message that he would be interviewing agents Sunday in case he decides to stay in the draft. But he said he was using the day to think over his decision and that none had been made.

Anderson was one of 24 players being viewed by reps from 21 teams at weekend at the Golden State Warriors’ practice facility in Oakland. According to a source at the workout, Anderson was trying to secure a commitment from someone in the first round.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 10:44 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Coming down to the wire, here…....

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just one commitment?

I have been wondering this for a while, is one commitment really enough? Maybe I’m a bit more cautious than most but a) a commitment isn’t a contract and b) because of that I’d look for more than one.

http://sportingcontrarian.wordpress.com/

by BeastMode on Jun 16, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he’s just looking for any justification to stay. If he gets 1 commitment, no matter how weak it may be, you can reasonably think other teams would be interested and might go for him, also. If his decision is right at 50/50, he might just need 1 more piece of evidence to “stay in the draft”.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 11:39 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And as for that 1

Teams generally do honor those commitments, because if they pass up that player when he’s available, their credibility is shot with future prospects. That’s not a good situation for any team to operate in. A smart team might give a qualified commitment by saying that they’d take a player if Players X, Y, and Z are all taken; in that case the player might think there’s no way X, Y, and Z will last that long, so that sounds pretty solid to me.

Who knows? But we should find out soon enough.

I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.

by yellow fever on Jun 16, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, what do teams get out of making such commitments?

the only reason i can think to make such a commitment is to convince a borderline guy that you like to stay in the draft. why? because you really like him, and you really want to draft him. thus, i can’t see a team making a commitment unless they really liked the guy and intended to honor such a commitment. otherwise, why bother?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 12:12 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neither Here Nor There

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/news/story?id=3446626

Well, year 1 of the Monty experiment just got a lot tougher.

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by BeastMode on Jun 16, 2008 12:52 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, sorry I didnt even see you had linked to the story before I did my post. I got back from lunch and checked ESPN for info and then posted it up real quick without looking. I, clearly, am a terrible, terrible person.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 1:17 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he’s gone

Good luck, Ryan. :(!

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cal sophomore forward Ryan Anderson was also to remain in the draft and not return for his junior season, Anderson told ESPN.com Monday afternoon.

“I felt like this was the best possible decision for me,” Anderson said. “Everybody kept telling me after my workouts that I’m an NBA player. This was, though, one of the hardest decisions I’ve ever made.”

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 1:09 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the article doesn’t say whether he got the 1st-round commitment he was looking for, which makes me think he didn’t.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 1:14 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saw that too.

I never really got the feeling Ryan wanted to come back to school at all. And he may have just been looking for assurance that he would be drafted.

http://sportingcontrarian.wordpress.com/

by BeastMode on Jun 16, 2008 1:27 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

D'oh!

Good luck Ryan!

Now it’s Boykin’s time to shine.

by CalBandGreat on Jun 16, 2008 1:43 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't forget Theo

let’s hope his 65 year old hip holds up.

by oaktownmario on Jun 16, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congratualtions, Ryan

Everyone in Berkeley will obviously miss you. But, you are now where you belong. You ARE a pro player, that was clear to see, and it would have been hard having you back, knowing you really should be getting paid for entertaining us. If Monty and the NCAA really wants to do something about that, they should give players some sort of financial compensation for all the money that is made of them. And, no, a $25k scholarship doesn’t cover it. I just didn’t and don’t get the comments of people who say they are bummed you aren’t coming back. Come on, people!

Best of luck in the draft, and in developing your pro career in the years ahead. It’s going to continue to be a lot of hard work!

by concordtom on Jun 16, 2008 2:18 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i can't speak for everyone, obviously...

but i’m both excited for him and sad to see him go. i don’t think these sentiments contradict each other. personally, i’m not much of an NBA fan, so i know i’ll be seeing a lot less of ryan in the future. it was fun to have him around, but i think you’re right, this was the right decision for him. best of luck to him in the pros!

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 2:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppppp!

I was really hoping Ryan would stay. Next year now looks much tougher, even with Monty.

I’m not going to say this was the right decision for him because ultimately only he knows that. But IMO, if he gets picked in the second round, it will turn out to be a dumb decision. One year under Monty and he could have definitely made himself a lottery pick, which makes up for the $$ he would be missing out on by playing one more year of college ball. And don’t mention the whole injury thing because that’s why they have insurance policies – and good ones at that. I once read an article about how so many players miss out on millions of dollars by coming out too early and ending up second rounders or undrafted. Wish I could find it but I have too much damn work to do.

Anyway, good luck to him and let’s hope he gets drafted by a team we don’t hate (couugh Celtics or Lakers coughh cough).

by oaktownmario on Jun 16, 2008 2:58 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also:

Spurs
Nuggets
Jazz
Rockets
Mavs
Suns
Hornets

Basically, the entire Western conference that made the playoffs over the Dubs this year.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On the other hand...

True. There is always a chance that one can up their stock in next year’s draft. But then, they’ve lost a year of income, so the increased salary has to be significant enough to overcome a lost year. I wondered about this, too, and so previously looked up the NBA rookie salary scale. Check it out: http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-rookie-salary-scale-2008/101

Let’s say Ryan gets picked with the last pick of the first round. He’ll make 800k. Now, I see that this table shows salaries out to 4 years, but I’ve heard that b/c of player options typically written into contracts, that good players get to rewrite a new contract after the 2nd year. Correct me if I’m wrong. But with that assumption, Ryan would make $1.65 M over two years. In order to make the gamble of staying at Cal payoff, he’d have to be drafted #11 next year. I don’t see that happening, because next year, there will be a new crop of athletic freshman wowing us all on TV. Who are the Mayos, Roses, Beasleys for next year? Take a look at this mock draft. The first 7 players are all freshmen:
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft

Not only are there going to be new players to content with, but Ryan would have to avoid injury, as you point out (I would really like to know how much insurance $ coverage players get), and he’d have to again have a stellar year in hopes for a future pay off. Certainly we saw Devon Hardin’s stock go down significantly following a bet to stay a year and come back higher in the draft. For him, Ryan certainly observed, it would have been better to go last year. Ryan would have a new coach and new system to deal with this year, as well as all opposing defenses that would be focused on him. It was a benefit that the Cal (marketing) staff incorrectly began the season with Hardin as the headliner on the team. As teams double teamed on Hardin, Anderson got better looks. That would CERTAINLY NOT be the case this next season. Anderson benefited from Hardin’s presence in practicality on the court (Cal’s bigs are weak next year) but also in game planning mindset prior to the game as oppositing coaches taught their players to be concerned with Hardin.

All in all, given the circumstances, I say take the money and get on with your life. A year of waiting and hoping to move up 15 spots would be too much to take.

I realize this is only one way of looking at it, and maybe a hack view at that. But it makes you think, at any rate.

by concordtom on Jun 16, 2008 4:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, this is a great and reasonable view. A business-like view on the pros and cons. A lot of people nostalgize sports (esp college sports) and make it into something it really isn’t. Ryan Anderson is a commodity and it is in his rational best interest to try to maximize the return on that commodity. Some might say by staying in school another year, he could better maximize that return. But there is a flip side, which you have expertly pointed out.

What Anderson did is really the most risk-adverse thing you can do. Cash out now. As Devon pointed out to Anderson, there are no guarantees.

I would quibble, however, with the thought that Anderson benefited a lot from Devon being there. I’m sure he benefited some, but he was already viewed very positively going into the year. And as Devon cooled off from his early hot streak, Anderson lost that added protection.

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by TwistNHook on Jun 16, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anderson benefitting from Hardin

The point I tried to make there was that Cal advertised Harden and then Anderson at the start of the season. I watched preseason games where the first offensive set this past year went to Hardin, and he made a concerted effort make a post move and shoot. It looked like it was going to work out. While Anderson was certainly a headliner, he was not the whole team, which is kind of what it came to by the end of the season. After 3 or 4 30+ point games, other teams tend to focus entirely on that guy. So, Anderson benefited at the start of the season big time by having Hardin there. And also a big so later in the season – Hardin is still a big dude who can catch an alley upe and stuff it, so opposing bigs WOULD have to keep an eye on him.

Contrast all that with what Cal puts forth this next season – Jordan Wilkes would not draw the attention that Hardin did. Neither will Taylor Harrison. Neither will Harper Kamp or Jamal Boykin, who are both smaller at 6’8”.

Thus, Ryan would have LOTS more attention paid to him next year, making it all that more difficult to put up the 22 and 10 (or so) numbers that he did.

So, Ryan Anderson definitely upped his draft stature by having good players like Hardin around him. That’s the reason why top ranked high schoolers go to the top programs, like UNC et al, so they can play with NBA caliber players from the get go – makes ‘em better in the end.

(And, as he said, it’s not like he’s going to turn into an athletic freak between now and next year’s draft.)

by concordtom on Jun 17, 2008 4:33 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a more long-term view

while i agree with the business sense that your view advocates, i also think that it is in the player’s best interest to consider his development track. after all, i don’t think most players enter the draft with the thought of cashing out on their rookie contract (although, for some, that is the only NBA money they’ll ever see). so, i think part of the stay-or-go decision has to rest on how best to improve as a player.

for example, DeVon is a raw NBA-talent, one that, last year, was probably not ready to compete for major NBA minutes. for him, he had a much better chance to develop his game by returning to school and dominating the college game, as opposed to sitting at the end of an NBA bench night after night. that he didn’t end up dominating this year only proves how not ready he was for the NBA.

if, on the other hand, a player (such as Ryan) IS dominating in college, he’s less likely to continue to improve with another college year than if he can now go up against NBA-caliber players every night. another year in college against smaller, less-skilled players might actually hold him back. (this of course ignores the certainty of getting a year of Mike Montgomery’s tutelage vs. the unknown quantity of whichever NBA coach he happens to end up with.)

personally, i think if a player’s game is good enough for the NBA right now (and I think Ryan’s is), and the person is mature enough to handle being a professional basketball player, with all the hassles and responsibilities that come along with that (something only a player and maybe his friends/family are qualified to answer), the guy should turn pro. not that college isn’t great (and I loved college—I could have graduated early, and decided I didn’t want to), but for me, it’s not about the degree; it’s about preparing yourself for the rest of your life, and if Ryan feels like he’s there, after only 2 years of school, then best of luck to him.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 5:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he stayed two years?

Was he an obvious sensation as a freshman or did he really come into his own his soph. year?

by Itchy25 on Jun 16, 2008 6:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he wasn’t that big of a deal coming out of high school. it wasn’t until the end of his freshman campaign that he started getting some NBA talk surrounding him, and though his freshman year was good, he wasn’t yet NBA-ready.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Jun 16, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks rag.

Well best of luck to him. I couldn’t imagine pursuing a dream as intensely as most of these ballers pursue the NBA and not taking the first chance to possibly be drafted that popped up. Injury is simply too common to risk putting off the big time. Wish I could have seen him play at Cal.

by Itchy25 on Jun 16, 2008 9:16 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good points

If Ryan was REALLY enjoying Cal and wanted to stay, that would have been great and I would have said YAHOO, as a Cal fan. But I got the sense from his quotes in the paper that he would really like to have the opportunity to go pro, and so that was why I simply tried to dissect the money matters, and the risk/reward decision.

Your other point, about developing as a player, is an excellent one, and one that doesn’t get discussed enough. Westbrook at UCLA comes to mind. He was never the go to guy and really didn’t score all that much. How much better would he be, psychologically, with a couple years of the coach drawing up plays for him and the teammates saying “come on, man – you’re our only hope.” By the way, I just realized that Ryan did have 2 years of that. It adds a ton of confidence to be The Guy by one’s peers. (I’m sure Westbrook had that in spades in high school, by the way.)

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