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DBD 12.9.08 Man, I hate all of you, especially any of you who read this website

Every morning I wake up, hoping that somebody else has done the DBD.  Hoping against hope that I can relax in the morning and not frantically put it together.  And yet, day in and day out, other people never do the DBD.  Even though I challenged every single one of you to beat me.  And maybe when I had something witty to say, it  was OK, but I ran out of painfully unfunny things to say like 3 months ago.  I've been running on fumes every since that Kevin Craft is the lead singer for Dark Craftika thing in October. 

Bah, I hate all of you.  Especially those that read this website.

Four Bears earn All-Pac10 honors:

BERKELEY - Four Golden Bears - center Alex Mack, tailback Jahvid Best, linebacker Zack Follett and cornerback Syd'Quan Thompson - have been named first-team All-Pac-10 in a vote of the conference coaches. In addition, offensive guard Noris Malele, defensive end Tyson Alualu and punter Bryan Anger were chosen to the second-team unit.

Mack, who was named on nine of 10 ballots, is a three-time first-team choice, while Best earned first-team notice for the second consecutive season after claiming a spot as a special teams performer in 2007.

Named one of 15 National Football Foundation Scholar-Athletes, which comes with a $15,000 postgraduate scholarship, Mack is also a finalist for the NFF's Draddy Award given to the top football scholar-athlete in the country. A semifinalist for the Rotary Lombardi Award, he was named a first-team mid-season All-American by both The Sporting News Today and College Football News. Mack is a two-time first-team Pac-10 All-Academic choice as well as a finalist for the Lowe's Senior CLASS Award for athletic and academic achievement.

 

Ashley walker, 2nd straight Pac10 Player of the Week:

BERKELEY - For the second-consecutive week, senior Ashley Walker of CALIFORNIA has been selected the U.S. Bank Pac-10 Women's Basketball Player of the Week, Commissioner Tom Hansen announced.The senior forward from Modesto, Calif., garners the award for the sixth time in her career. Walker holds the school record for the most-career player of the week citations. The Bears have received the honor on 32 different occasions.

Walker averaged 26.0 points and 10.0 rebounds per game as Cal advanced to the championship game of its home tournament, the Colliers International Classic, before falling to No. 22 TCU. She shot 64.5 percent (20-31) for the weekend and made 78.6 percent of her free throws (11-14) in a combined 68 minutes of playing time.

Walker had 21 points and eight rebounds in the win over Princeton in the opening game of the tournament, going 9-for-12 from the field. Her performance in the title game against the Horned Frogs included her third double-double (31 points, 12 rebounds) and third 30-point performance of the season. She leads the league in double-doubles and 30-point games. One point off her career high against TCU, Walker was named to the all-tournament team.

 

VBall continues in Tourney, against Illinois:

BERKELEY, Calif. - After making short work of first and second round opponents, the Golden Bears head to State College, Pa. for their third consecutive NCAA tournament regional semifinal with a shot at revenge on their minds. As one of 16 remaining teams in the 2008 NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Championship, Cal will face No. 14 Illinois in one regional semifinal match for the right to take on defending champion No. 1 Penn State in the regional final. The Bears fell to the Nittany Lions in the national championship semifinal a year ago and would like nothing better than to knock off undefeated Penn State. But first, Cal must get through an Illini squad that finished third in the Big Ten conference and which has won its last seven matches heading into the weekend. After hitting a rough patch in the season, the Bears have since won five of their last six and are in position to clinch Cal's best record in school history.

THE FACTS: No. 8 Cal (25-6, 13-5 Pac-10) earned the right to advance to the University Park Regional Semifinal of the 2008 NCAA Division I Women's Volleyball Championship with wins over Siena College and New Mexico State last weekend. The Bears will face No. 14 Illinois (26-7, 15-5 Big Ten) in a 12:30 p.m. PT match on Friday, Dec. 12 at the Rec Hall in State College, Pa. No. 1 Penn State (34-0, 20-0 Big Ten) draws Western Michigan (28-6, 14-2 MAC) in the other semifinal match at 3 p.m. PT, Dec. 12. The winners of each match will play in the University Park Regional Championship Match on Saturday, Dec. 13 at 1 p.m. PT. The final will be broadcast live by ESPNU with Beth Mowins calling the action and Karch Kiraly providing color commentary. Live statistics and streaming video links for the two semifinal matches can be found at www.gopsusports.com.

 

Cal alum swims great:

ATLANTA - Former California All-American William Copeland set a meet record by winning the 100-yard freestyle in a time of 41.75 at the 2008 ConocoPhillips USA Swimming Short Course National Championship on Saturday in the Georgia Tech Aquatic Center. Copeland topped a strong field that included 2008 U.S. Olympic gold medalist Matt Grevers, who was second in 41.85, 2008 Australian Olympic bronze medalist Matt Targett, who was third in 41.93, and 2008 U.S. Olympic gold medalist Ryan Lochte, who was fourth in 41.99.

Copeland, a six-time All-American and four-time Pac-10 champion for Cal in the 2007-08 season, also placed second in the 50-yard freestyle with a time of 19.05 and 11th in the 200-yard freestyle in a time of 1:35.45 in Atlanta.

 

Honors to baseball players:

LUBBOCK, TEXAS - Two University of California baseball players, junior outfielder/pitcher Blake Smith and sophomore right-hander Kevin Miller, have been selected to the preseason watch list for the Wallace Award, which will honor the nation's top collegiate baseball player for the 2009 season.

The Wallace Award is presented to the nation's top collegiate baseball player in conjunction with the College Baseball Hall of Fame's annual induction festivities. The 2009 award banquet will be held Thursday, July 2, in the United Spirit Arena on the campus of Texas Tech University. The Wallace Award is a dedication to the memory of the former Texas Tech player and assistant coach Brooks Wallace. In the summer of 1984, Wallace was diagnosed with cancer and fought the disease courageously until his death on March 24, 1985, at age 27.

Smith was instrumental in the USA Baseball National (Collegiate) Team capturing the gold medal at the IV FISU World Collegiate Baseball Championship in the Czech Republic this past summer as the USA squad topped Japan, 1-0 in 12 innings for the title on July 27. He not only helped pace Team USA to an undefeated 24-0 record, he was the team's leading hitter during the national team's summer tour with a .327 average. Smith finished the summer 18-for-55 (.327) overall with five doubles, a triple, three home runs and 13 RBI in 20 games. He was also one of the national team's top relievers, sporting a 1-0 record with a 0.00 ERA and two saves, striking out 11 batters with only three hits and three walks in 9.0 innings. Another highlight for Smith was going 1-for-3 with a home run versus a Cuban squad that competed in the Beijing Olympics.

 

Jahvid Best, Pac10 player of the week:

BERKELEY - Cal sophomore tailback Jahvid Best has been named the Pac-10 Offensive Player of the Week for the third time this season, Commissioner Tom Hansen announced Monday.

Best had a record-setting performance in Cal's 48-7 win against Washington last Saturday. He rushed 19 times for a school-record 311 yards (16.4-yard average) and four touchdowns covering 60, 1, 20 and 84 yards. The 311 yards rushing is the fourth-highest single-game performance in Pac-10 history and fourth best in the country this year. The Cal offense piled up 549 yards total offense, including 431 yards rushing, and did not commit a turnover.

Best also claimed the Pac-10 honor after rushing for 200 yards at Washington State and for 201 yards vs. Stanford. He is the only player in school history to have three 200-yard rushing efforts.

For the season, Best has accumulated 1,394 yards on the ground - No. 4 on the Golden Bears season list - and his 126.7 ypg average leads the Pac-10 and rates fifth in the NCAA. He has the two longest runs in the Pac-10 this year. In addition to his 84-yard sprint vs. Washington, he went 86 yards for a score at WSU.

 

BBallgame moved to avoid Emerald Bowl:

To avoid a direct conflict with the 5 p.m. kickoff of the Emerald Bowl, in which Cal’s football team will face Miami, the Bears have moved up times for the Golden Bear Classic on Saturday, Dec. 27.

 

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This is a test of will Twist, and you, sir, broke yet again. Blame your readers. Blame your Marshawnthusiasts. But most of all blame yourself.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 8:16 AM PST reply actions  

I just did the DBD pretty much every morning day in and day out since like July. I am a man amongst insects!

Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll do tomorrow’s DBD.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

See Twist, if you whine enough, you get what you want! (Jeff Tedford could learn a thing or two from you)

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

It hasn’t worked that way for Mike Bellotti.

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Mack Brown loves Twist!

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s true, he finds my delightfully irreverent.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Due to my general neurosis, I suggest you get it up before agbout 7:30. Otherwise, frantic with the thought of relying upon somebody unreliable (as I often find myself), I will end up doing it myself.

Nonetheless, I welcome you doing it. Try to keep it PG13.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Normally, I get up at 6, so can get into the office by the time the market opens. I came in late today, but I’ll try.

Granted, I have no idea where to find links, so it’s probably just going to be a post about the market and economic news.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I get links from the Contra Costa Times website or the official Cal website itself. I can handle those if you want to put in a 3,000 word dissertation on the evils of supply side economics.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Bear Insider folks are helpful with links. SFGate. Miller’s blog on ESPN. Then again, without Twist, no It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia references.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Doing the DBD is like Charliework.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Go clean the bathrooms.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Cleaning the bathrooms is like doing the DBD.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, here’s my intro for the dissertation:

“Ronald Reagan is evil. He hates children. And blacks. And women. Supply side taxes benefit only the rich and hurt the poor. America was founded on helping everyone out, not the rich. Where in the US Constitution does it say ‘The Land of the Rich and the Home of the Privileged’? Why should we reward companies that pollute, export US jobs overseas, and violate the rights of US workers, without even paying them a living wage?”

Actually, that was my entire essay.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

plagiarism!

don’t steal my senior thesis!

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d volunteer…but I don’t get to work until 7:30-8…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Soemtmes if I know Im gonna be busy the morning, I put it up the night before.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

If you hate it so much (or, likely, you just like to bitch)…why don’t we assign DBDers…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t trust others.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Usually, the reverse is true.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Always, the reverse is true.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

True is reverse the, always.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Never, the forward is false.

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve got a really good recipe for some lentil soup!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a dream last night that a hamburger was eatin’ ME!

Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

They’ll do that in Rand McNally.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You’ve lost me

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I did a Simpsons reference, you then did, I believe, a Seinfeld reference that is actualy also partially a Simpsons reference, so I re-referenced the Simpsosn.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

You found me.

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t the Giants dothat last yar?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re not allowed to use that quote if you’re going to butcher it like that.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

What quote?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t the Giants dot hat last year?

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

They dot hatted all year long!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

False is forward the, never.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

fucdkfuckfuck there is a simpsons episode where Lisa is saying a sentence in the wrong order with a crazzy weird voice. Im totes blanking. This would work perfect here.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This suit burns better?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 9, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Praise be to Ragnarok!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Emerald Bowl Tailgaiting

According to the Giants website, it is allowed:

TAILGATING
Guests may tailgate as long as they are confined to the space occupied by their vehicle. No adjacent spaces will be available for tailgating. Party spaces are, however, available for large groups attending games. For more information, please call Imperial Parking at 415-227-0114. Please note that this policy only applies to the Giants Parking Lots – Lots A, B & C.

I don’t see anything on the Emerald Bowl website, so hopefully someone can call and confirm.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 8:36 AM PST reply actions  

I tailgated in the Giants season ticket parking lot (even though I was not a season ticket holder) for the A’s-Giants Battle of the Bay preseason game. We had carne asada and Aidels Chicken & Apple sausage…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it sad...

That this is my schedule upon reaching work:

1. Log into computer
2. Make coffee and instant oatmeal
3. Make sure there are no important e-mails.
4. Look at market.
5. Read quick updates
6. Log onto CGB and start posting
7. Actually work

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, so, when does #7 occur? Around 6PM?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

12:59 PM

Then I leave for lunch after the market closes.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

What’s the 7th step?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Dunno

Never got there.

CGB is like quicksand.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

9. Watch highlight videos of high school football players.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Rec’d – what an awesome game!

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Post ending in 6, get.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

LINK?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Anybody see Gossip Girl last night?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

I told you stop watching that garbage

I gave you a brilliant TV reco last night…. not only is it hilarious, you might learn something as well.

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

What’d you recommend, Mad Money by Jim Cramer?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate that show… I do like Cramer however… the only useful part of that show is the think piece he does in the first 10mins of each show….something that his research team comes up with. Fastmoney is also good when they’re not talking about specific stocks.

If you want to see a good TV show, check out TopGear
http://www.mininova.org/tor/2073814

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Supposedly this week’s episode was one of the best ever. My effing internet at home is down so I won’t know until Friday at the earliest. Gah.

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

It was a great episode, but I wouldn’t say it tops Seasons 3, 5, 6 or 7. It got back to the old style TopGear… I was laughing my ass off the whole way through. Don’t miss this episode, it’s the best one this series.

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

What are your favorite episodes/segments?

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Fav episode is the Trip to the North Pole… that was so epic…. and funny. Winter Olympics episode is my second fav.

Then it’s when James and Richard try to make a car into a Space Shuttle and launch it.

I really love the used car challenges like used Maserati/Ferarri/Lambo challenge.

The Car vs non-car transportation races are really fun to. Veron race was sick.

Playing soccer with cars.

Trying to kill a Toyota Hilux by putting it on top of a building and blowing the building up….sick.

I really love it when James reviews classics like the 1970s Aston and Martin.

Anything involving the Stig.

I liked it when they had running contests like “best driving song”

The BMW M series episode in series 4 or 5.

The test track times for certain cars are fun too.

I even like the Star In a Reasonably Priced Car segment when the guests are interesting… Simon Cowell is always a good driver….

I can go on and on…

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah my fav episode is the 612 Scaglietti race from Guildford to Verbier, along with the bobsled vs. car race. I’ve watched that many times.

Also:
*Hilux
*Jimmy Carr as the guest
*The Citroen C5 review was friggin fantastic (“The gearshift lever is here, where it’s supposed to be, right between the seats! That isn’t right, it’s supposed to be here, on the sunvisor, and made of rhubarb!!!!! No no no no this isn’t right at all.”)
*Reliant Robin space shuttle
*Enzo review
*Top Gear darts/conkers
*The 24hrs-in-a-SmartCar
*Mercedes E-class—>Anne Hathaway’s cottage
*Convertible Espace

Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree!

I remember the Scaglietti race… that one was very close. I like the Skyline race too, even though it wasn’t as funny, but the best cars that they ever raced were the Skyline and the Veyron.

I also loved the Car vs Bike vs Train vs Speedboat challenge. That was hella funny.

Jimmy Carr is a funny guy… you should check out the gameshow QI… he’s a regular on that show. QI is the type of show that could never be aired in the US (unless it’s on Comedy Central or HBO)… it’s totally un-sensitive, totally un-PC… and they make fun of everyone. I love it.

I don’t remember the C5 review… but I liked the Old vs New challenge when they raced an Austin vs a souped up C5 (owned by teenagers).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-DGMrLGnLg&fmt=18

I didn’t like the Enzo review… it was a bit campy with the cash register noises… I liked the Zonda F review better and the Koenigsegg CCX test… sweet! There were so many good cars tho… like the Ferrari Scuderia… SICK!


Love the Atom!

Car darts and Conkers were funny… and all the challenges with people shooting at Jeremy.

Pissing in the car during the 24 hour challenge was funny too.

People carrier convertibles and people carrier races were great too.

Also like “Turning cars into Boats” challenges.

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

TopGear is quality. When I get a chance to watch it, it’s entertaining.

That said, you see Gossip Girl last night?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes I did.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

This is the end of our civilization as we know it

Sometimes I don’t know what kind of country this is anymore.

Top internet searches for 2008 (United States):

1. Britney Spears
2. WWE
3. Barak Obama
4. Miley Cyrus
5. RuneScape
6. Jessica Alba
7. Naruto
8. Lindsay Lohan
9. Angelina Jolie
10. American Idol

… This is so depressing.

What the frick is Naruto??

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m perfectly fine with Jessica Alba being on there.

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe it is some type of japanese anime tv show. I may be mistaken.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Damn, what a slutty list! I love it!

Finding SydBoner at #10 is a bit disturbing though.

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

YOU think it’s disturbing

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

shawna lenee is too low on your power rankings

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

so is Jessica Lynn…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

A thing for blondes, eh?

These aren’t power rankings… Melissa Lauren would be higher.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

yes…

Lauren’s ok…not as good as Lenee & Lynn in combo action.

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is Priya Rai? She sounds Indian. Is she hot?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Dirty, dirty Indian woman. Who wails like a banshee

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Man, her parents must be so proud of her.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah…a bit overrated… Thoroughbred had his priorities jumbled …. he’s been drinking too much Bo at Jack in the Box.

by danzig on Dec 9, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Overrated, yes. Only Indian in the bidniz, YES.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve heard of way more

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Please elaborate…

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Hold on, let me text my friend. He’s a porn connoisieur

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

that’s porn talk for…

let me run home and use an unblocked internet connection…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Friend’s text:
“y r u asking u dont watch porn. neway sunny leone and nadia nyce”

My friend also types like a retard.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you sure it was a friend, are you sure it wasn’t NOTHING.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

NAILED IT!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I made up the entire conversation.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I knew it!

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, this is getting classy.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

getting?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Touche, salesman.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

getting?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You are TW-ing this site. In a bad way.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No, TWing the site would be to call everyone a douche if they say anything, then find who Twist is in real life and send links of his activity here to his boss, then get him fired.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

That would suck a lot.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

or just posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and posting and

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

lol ur a douche lol sex is good lol i like planes

Okay, who am I?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

that could be anyone of us…

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

kura. please.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You are TW-ing this site. In a bad way.

I don’t get it.

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

twing

It’s the sound a bow makes when you shoot an arrow.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain it to me as if I were Twist.

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

When your mommy and daddy give you $10 for a lemonade stand and it only cost you $9, what do you want to do with that extra dollar?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Buy a fur coat!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but make sure you have the $1 first.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Explain it to me as if I were a 5 year old Twist.

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Blah blah stegosaurus blah blah longshore blah blah nailed it blah blah tagline.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Nailed It!

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve seen the second one

The first one could easily pass for a Latina

A+ work, though.

I’ll be back in 10 minutes…

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

fap fap fap fap

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

NAILED IT!

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

it appears that she is…and she’s a Porn Star.

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

11. Nate Longshore v. Kevin Riley

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Cal -7 vs. Miami, Total 49.5

At least with most books.

Thoughts? I’ll have a writeup on the rest of the lines for the bowl contest later this week.

by BearsNecessity on Dec 9, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions  

Seems right to me, especially since it is what amounts to a home game for Cal.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Lord Help Me

Why do I think Texas(-10) is way too high? Why am I inclined to bet tOSU?

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

T-bred…don’t do it…stay the hell away from that game. Too risky.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Good idea.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

It is risky. It could go any which way. Terrelle Pryor could explode and run all over Texas’ defense or Colt McCoy could dominate OSU’s secondary…

No one knows how good Texas’ defense really is. Same with Oklahoma.

This is going to be a fun bowl season.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

you forgot…

no one knows how good the Big 12 is because they play no one outside the conference until the bowl game.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

No, that statement applies to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).

Chokelahoma still played TCU and Cincy OOC.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

one could argue that doesn’t even tell us that much…Cincy has a fluff schedule and narrow wins, TCU has beaten BYU who barely beat UDub.

and the SEC stands for ‘See, Everyone’s Cheating."

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

that being said, OU came out as huge winners. In the preseason, everyone thought OU’s OOC schedule was very easy…and then Cincy became decent and TCU surprised a few folks.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s the thing the schedule is ultimately judged once the games are complete and it turns out TCU and Cincy had decent teams. I don’t think either is BCS worthy, but given the weak schedules in the SEC and Big12, that isn’t bad.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends…

Alabama’s schedule, at the beginning of the season, look insanely tough. Clemson OOC? LSU, Georgia, and ending the season with Auburn.

But that was still enough to get them a #1 ranking, even when Texas Tech was undefeated.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

At least the SEC teams played ACC teams

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

And got spanked by them.

Hell, if we’re going to keep harping on the Pac-10’s record against the MWC, what about the SEC’s pathetic record against the ACC, especially in the final week? Clemson over SouthCar? Wake over Vandy? GTech over Georgia? Someone needs to address these important issues!

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

it gets glossed over because the SEC is still most definitely “in” and the Pac10 pretends to be “in” so when they aren’t people like to hate (since they think this makes them astute).

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

ESPN has TV rights to SEC games in the future

Don’t want to destroy the product…

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but at that point, you know nothing about any team…

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Pryor running all over Texas’ would be poetic justice for the way VY did that to USC.

by turkey on Dec 9, 2008 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Can you copy a couple more lines over? That damn site is blocked here.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Original lines, these might have shifted a little

Florida -3 vs Oklahoma
Texas -10 vs OSU
Alabama -10 vs Utah
USC -10 vs Penn St
Cincy -1 vs Va Tech

Arizona -3.5 vs BYU
TCU -2.5 vs Boise
Oklahoma State -3 vs Oregon
Nevada -1 vs Maryland
Oregon St. -3 vs Pitt
Georgia -7 vs Mich. State

by BearsNecessity on Dec 9, 2008 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I like Maryland, Ore. St., and USC

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

But who’s going to run the fly sweep???

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

james rodgers is hurt?

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Out for the rest of the year. Broken collarbone versus Oregon

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

hmmm…that changes things

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Somewhat…

I don’t know about Quizz’s injury tho

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Georgia is only a 7 point favourite over Michigan State?!

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Georgia was the pre-season #1, but has had a bit of a rough season. MSU is not an amazing team, but Georgia is not exactly “Georgia” at this point. Plus, they just got gashed by the run and we all know who MSU’s RB is!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes, I know, Georgia is overrated, but Michigan State? They got gouged by Ohio State and Penn State.

Getting gouged by Alabama and Florida is a little better, and it’s understandable to lose to GTech since their defense is tough to defend. I guess I just don’t think Michigan State is very good.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Question for you: Jacquizz Rogers had the 6th most carries in the country this year. Guess who was #1 with a whopping 370?

by BearsNecessity on Dec 9, 2008 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

best had like 50 less carries than Quizz

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

best had like 50 less carries than Quizzno’s

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Joke. Imagine if Best had that many carries.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Over 9000 Yards

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

best would be broken

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Ding ding ding!


“Mah legs are about to fall off!”

by BearsNecessity on Dec 9, 2008 9:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Question for you, now: Who is the more impressive back, Ringer or Shonne Green?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Shonn Green far and away

Gashing Penn State much more impressive than gashing Northwestern

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

You?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

RINGER RINGER RINGER

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Javon Ringer

Has anyone posted this?!?!?! DO I WIN??!?!!?? OMG

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

‘Gashed’ by the Georgia Tech is different from ‘gashed’ by other teams since Ga Tech gets pretty much no passing yardage. You’re bound to have your worst run D day, even if you win.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

NFL’s cutting staff 10%

they blame “The Economy.” Does anyone feel that deep pocket businesses love that they have such a good excuse to cut costs?

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:13 AM PST reply actions  

Looks like the emerald bowl is sold out.

The ticketing system currently indicates that no seats are available for this performance.

For more information, contact customer service.

That was pretty fast.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

I think they sold out on Sunday. Apparently, they are trying to buy tix from Miamis allotment now.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Scalpers still exist.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

especially given the proximity to Oakland…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont doubt that the secondary market is buzzing,m erely reiterating what Ive been reading.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

There are at least two pools that we have access to, the school allotments through Cal athletics and the general tickets through the bowl game (tickets.com). Ya gotta be specific when saying what is sold out, cuz tickets.com tix were still available yesterday.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

…and tickets.com tix are still available at the $40 level. Not for long, I imagine.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

…and now apparently they are gone.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

…except for singles.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It won’t even give me a single ticket.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, the Emerald Bowl really htes you, doesnt it!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

The last ticket is in my cart then! Mwa ha ha. I don’t even want it.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

You bitch!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I just checked the Miami website.

You can buy tickets through them in any of the 3 seating levels. You don’t have to be a season ticket holder or anything.

Go Bears!

by RollOnYouBears667 on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks, my Miami transaction went smoothly and now I’ve got something to scalp!

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Gary Cavalli just wet himself with delight.

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

VERY On-Topic

Karen Englebart, wife of noted de-jure-OSU/de-facto-Cal Alum Douglas Englebart (of the Doug Englebart Institute) was on NPR this morning.

Englebart AWAY!!!!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

jesus titty fucking christ, how far away are they going to move from me????

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

IKNO it makes no sense what with the 50k plus dedicated fans that fill the stadium on a consistent basis!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Why do I care about these non-me people again?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Because they’re the reason you have to go Jesus-titty-fucking-christ-far-away to watch games…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

STUPID FUCKING NON-ME PEOPLE!!!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

it’s not vegas…

plus…they’ll do better down there

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

MOVE CLOSER TO ME!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

they’re not moving to Richmond, Tiwist.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe they could play at memorial stadium!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I understand the financial dynamics. But, at least for me, rooting for a professional sports team is also about rooting for your city. For me, one of those teams is the Bills. They may move to Toronto. And, honestly, if they moved, I probably wouldn’t root for them anymore. What makes those players matter, what makes those games matter, for me, is that they play for Buffalo, or, in Twist’s case Oakland. In my case, for Buffalo, it is the only thing in a lot of people’s minds that keeps a once great city relevant every now and again on the national stage.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

The Bills have become my team because they contain Marshawn

and the Niners failed to draft Aaron Rodgers

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

if you care about Aaron…

you should be happy he WASN’T drafted by the niners. They were hella bad. Now they may be ok.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The fact that anyone thought Alex Smith should be taken over him made me very upset

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah…that was a dumb pick…and that’s not a hindsight is 20/20 thing either…it sucked then and it sucks now.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Worst first round ever?

2005 NFL draft

Merriman (at 11th overall) saved the day. There are some nice players, but the first 10 picks (outside of Braylon Edwards) are not very good…even Edwards’ has the dropsies.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Some of the later round players are really coming on… Roddy White, Rodgers, Heath Miller, Luis Castillo

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay...

I’m going to deliver a very rare defense of Alex Smith.

Look, the idea was really a couple things. First, the Niners wanted a franchise QB after struggling with the likes of Cody Pickett. Niners had the #1 overall pick, which was obviously going to go to… Matt Leinart. But then a funny thing happened and he stayed in school. It was still between Rodgers and Smith at this point, but Smith was seen as a very intelligent football player who would run the offense intelligently.

He faced trouble adjusting from a spread offense at Utah to a conventional offense in the NFL. Then, he struggled as the Niners went through four offensive coordinators, but he was still relied upon to be the second coming of Steve Young. He improved and improved, then reached a promising level under the tutelage of Norv Turner. Turner left, but Smith carried on. He wasn’t spectacular, but he led the Niners to two wins in clutch (against the Cards and Rams), played a good game against the Steelers, then got injured against the Seahawks.

Dilfer was put in, but was even worse, so Nolan, in his worst move ever as hc, forced Smith back prematurely. And that’s when Smith looked worse then Tim Couch.

He started out this year injured too and hasn’t fully healed.

He still has a ton of potential, and I would like the Niners to hold onto him (at a reduced salary) and give him a chance later on (right now, Shaun Hill is the man).

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It was still between Rodgers and Smith at this point, but Smith was seen as a very intelligent football player who would run the offense intelligently.

No one doubts Smith was mishandled when with the 9ers, and it affected him negatively. But that he was chosen over Rodgers in the first place is, in many minds, the most egregious error.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with the idea, but it was really Smith’s intelligence that put him ahead.

I wasn’t happy when Rodgers wasn’t drafted though.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

What do you mean his “intelligence”? He went to Utah…Rodgers went to Cal and had an amazing season. And he had one of the most amazing games ever vs. USC. “Smith was seen as a very intelligent football player who would run the offense intelligently.”??

And Rodgers was seen as a very retarded football player who would run the offense retardedly? I really don’t get it.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

^^in response to Rishi

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, first it’s not as if there was a huge gap between Rodgers and Smith.

Rodgers had a great season – Smith was a finalist for the Heisman… from Utah.

He graduated with a degree in economics in two friggin’ years and scored 40 on his wonderlic.

But intelligence had to do more with the standard “makes good decisions, has the ability to complete crisp passes anywhere on the field”, along with his ability to tuck and run WHEN the play broke down (meaning he had mobility, but he wasn’t a run-first QB).

I don’t have access to Youtube, but watch him during the Fiesta Bowl. Sure it was against a pathetic Walt Harris-coached Pitt team, but it was impressive nonetheless.

I still maintain that A) Aaron Rodgers is a better QB, B) Alex Smith will become successful if given the right opportunities, and C) While it was not the right decision, I understand the thinking.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but in retrospect throwing Rodgers in to play right away might have been just as disastrous. I see his current success as largely a product of his sideline time for a team committed to him.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

absolutely it is better to spend

a couple years watching and practicing, but I don’t think that Rogers would have been called a bust had the 49’rs taken him.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily a bust, but I think he’d be roughly in the same position as Smith, injured and on the outs due to false expectations and shifting systems, looking for a backup role to hopefully resurrect himself.

by zoonews on Dec 9, 2008 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with all this… I’ve just always hated the spread and never trust spread QBs. Plus, I love Tedford’s system and how Aaron Rodgers came in from obscurity to help make Cal a perennially relevant football program

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I somewhat agree.

though, it was pretty clear from actually watching some of smith’s college play that he wasn’t used to reading the defense and then deciding on where the ball goes each play (a la the traditional bill walsh west coast offense). He was used to slinging the ball, and trusting that the defense couldn’t cover.

I think the 9’er would actualy have been better off with Rogers first, as the level of defense he was used to playing against was so much higher, and what they needed in part was a really good game manager, would could make the throws.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, I agree.

On another level, though, I thought Joe Flacco was going to be an NFL bust and he’s surprised me, in spite of his unconventional offense and the fact that he not only didn’t play against BCS competition, he also only played against D-1AA competition.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I never saw flacco in college.

and have only just barely seen him in the pros. So I have no opinion.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s pretty good in the pros. Impressive for a rookie. Not quite Matt Ryan-esque though.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

and there is also the totally unknowable...

how smart/how quick does a guy learn?

can he read the play book and understand it? and only have to practice to get the timing down with the rest of the team? or does he need practice repetition to actually learn the plays?

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure, I agree.

At the same time, I figure if Alex Smith had two years behind a better o-line under the same oc, he’d be good.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

in addition to the crappy coaching

he got under nolan and the rotating coordinators.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. It’s weird when people are fans of teams they have no connection to.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course there are certain players that I want to do well, that is, Cal guys. But, when it comes to a team, I need some sort of connection to root for them.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, some people just root for teams that are doing well. Hence how the Cowgirls became “America’s Team”.

I love how people can have a discussion about sports and someone asks me “What’s your favourite NFL team?” and I respond with “Niners”, their guy instinct is “Niners suck!”

I wasn’t aware being a fan of a team was predicated on them being good.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Niners suck!

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha, one time a guy asked me what basketball team I liked and I said the Warriors and he said “lol lakers rule warriors suck ur retard”.

Then that year, the Warriors went on to make the playoffs and beat the Mavs and he called me a bandwagon fan.

I summarily punched him in the face and took his jacket (uh spazzy’s gonna yell at me).

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

HEY! YOU!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s times like this I wish my city had a basketball team.

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with what you’re saying…

A’s games are wood bleachers…batting practice with Big Mac and Jose…“Celebrate” and “hit the road jack”…

but the city of Oakland screwed up a long time ago in many facets…they don’t deserve the A’s anymore as much as it hurts to say.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

CGB bowl pickem

does anyone know if you can change your picks once you SUBMIT them?

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM PST reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Interesting. I didn’t know the Giants changed their picks after they hit submit last year.

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Almost 100% sure they don't lock til the first bowl game

but you may want to get other’s confirmation

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

What is almost 100%?

Like 99, or more like 80? OR?

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I’d put my confidence at 98.56%… these games almost always only lock close to the start of the first game

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I just tested it. Yes, you can submit more than once and change things around

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if you can set it up so that you pick against the lines. That would be fun.

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Money Bowl

Interesting article form OC Register with some insight into the bowl system. LINK

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

wow…nice piece

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Makes me hope...

…my next job is running one of these bowls. Lot of good research done for this article. You can really see how deep the bowl system runs. A quality quote from Tom Hansen on why the bowl system sucks:

“Bowls have always been commercial ventures by nature,” the Pac-10’s Hansen said. “They really don’t care about how good you are but about how many people you can bring.”

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Then there’s Gary Cavalli, executive director of the San Francisco Bowl Game Association, which puts on the Emerald Bowl. Cavalli received $362,018 in compensation and employee benefits in 2006, accounting for 11 percent of the bowl’s budget. The game cleared $271,412. In a filing with the IRS, Cavalli said he works 35 hours a week.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The very reason why the Pac10 is screwed when it comes to bowl tie ins.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, and that quote I included was not meant to show that Hansen is against the bowl system. He most definitely is NOT.

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Ugh, just read the whole article. Almost makes me hate capitalism.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

SBN Guide to Linking. Some of you neanderthals could use a primer.

I will now proceed to copy and paste the entire thing. JUST KIDDING! IRONY!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

Wait, now the theme to Zelda is stuck in my head.

I want my rec back.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

What was wrong about the above post and thread? He linked then he and I selected and blockquoted a couple paragraphs. Seemed alright, no?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing was wrong. That just came down the official SBN chute and so I thought Id pass it along, unrelated to anything else going on in this thread or any other at SBN.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah. Cool. Generally, yeah, I think it was pretty necessary to set some sort of protocol.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Something like this?

Pakistan Detains Two Lashkar Leaders, Faces Pressure to Deal With Jamaat

ISLAMABAD — Pakistan arrested two senior leaders of the Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist group and 10 other people, in a move aimed at satisfying U.S. and Indian demands that the Pakistani government clamp down on the group suspected of being behind the Mumbai terror attacks.

Shiv Sena activists burn an effigy representing Pakistan sponsored terrorism during a protest in the northern Indian city of Amritsar.
Lashkar has operated openly in Pakistan despite being banned six years ago. Diplomats and analysts said the raid was a good first step but also a relatively easy one.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Wetzel on BCS match-ups...

…and his usual rant about how much the BCS sucks. I definitely am drinking the Wetzel Kool-Aid. LINK

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

quote from this article
Four conference commissioners – the Big East’s Mike Tranghese, the Big Ten’s Jim Delany, the Big 12’s Dan Beebe and the Pac-10’s Tom Hansen voted last spring to refuse to even discuss a forward-thinking plan brought forth by the ACC and SEC.

Tranghese and Hansen were pathetic enough to vote against the future only to promptly announce their retirements.

by MCM711 on Dec 9, 2008 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

In the SEC just this season, coaches who owned a national title, a perfect season and the most recent league coach of the year honors were all out of their jobs. Each of them had a winning season in 2007.

That’s pretty nuts.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I still cannot believe how Tuberville was forced out.

Auburn is retarded.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting stats from Addicted To Quack:

2. You can have either Jacquizz Rodgers or Jahvid Best for one year. Which one do you want on your team?

 

As much as I like Jacquizz and fear his game over the next 3 years, I think I would take Jahvid Best. Both players have pretty equal stats in most categories. Best is more of a “big play” guy where Quizz is a 3-4 yards every play style back. For me, it comes down to options on offense and I think Best gives you the most opportunities on later downs. Best averages 7.6 yards on 1st down and 9.91 yards on second down. He picked up the 1st down on 63% of his chances at 3 yards or less. Quizz averages 4.97 and 4.89 yards per attempt on 1st and second downs respectively and averages 60% on his chances on 3rd down with 3 yards or less.

Outside of all the statistics, I like Best’s breakaway speed and big play nature. Quizz seems to get caught a little easier in the second level. Ask me this question in 2 years though and my answer may change.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

I’d take Quizz

(ducks)

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t I revoke your Welcome Team Sheriff’s badge?!?!? Can I do it again?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

You monster!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

You say these things, and you’re lucky enough to run into Cal players in the wild? HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Under no circumstance would I take Quizz over Jahvid. Faster, bigger, more breakaway speed, just as good in short yardage situations. Jahvid is also one heck of a special teams player. Quizz is a nice back, no doubt, but Jahvid was running behind a patchwork line all year and put up better numbers.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Patchwork line AND inconsistent passing attack

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Sign of the year behind “These Beavers Smell Like Roses”

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I made an inflammatory statement, I should back it up: basically, I think Jahvid is an amazing athlete. NO ONE is faster in the open field, and no one is a better back when there is good blocking. His speed is truly astounding, and given a top notch O-line and A+ blocking receivers, I would take Jahvid over Quizz in a heartbeat.

However, in our four losses this year, Jahvid was almost a nonfactor. Take out his two 60 yard TD runs vs. Arizona and OSU, respectively, and his average per carry vs. USC, Maryland, OSU, and Arizona is 3 ypc. Also, in those games, we managed just 20% on 3rd down conversions. Given our shaky passing attack, teams easily geared up to stop our biggest weapon, Jahvid. They did.
 
Naturally, for lesser-talented teams or rainy games, this situation was easily overcome. The passing game could gel just enough to make the DBs respect it (MSU), or our Oline could handle their Dline because, well, they just plain sucked on D (ASU, Wazzu, UW). Against UW and Wazzu Jahvid had a ridiculous FIVE HUNDRED yards rushing. There was no one to stop him getting into the open field, and once there, we know what happens.

However, in games when we NEEDED him to be able to win, we NEEDED those 4 or 5 yards for a first down, he could not find the holes or punch between the blocks to get those yards. Quizz could (and did, vs every team he encountered). And that’s why, given one game, I’d take him.

 

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

Maryland was the best example of when Jahvid was a non-factor.

That said, though, remember that at Zona, OSU, and USC, he wasn’t healthy. At Washington, he was.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

Jahvid did get hurt in the Maryland game… and by the time he got back on the field, we had to pass on every down.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah…I agree with your assessment of Best vs. Quizz….it’d be nice if Vereen had quizz’s 4-5 YPC with a narrow SD. Both Vereen and Best seem like runners not running backs. That being said, learning to be a running back is possible. It’s not possible to acquire freakish speed.

Kind of like how Greg Maddux won 355 games because he didn’t try to strike everyone out. He knew how to pitch.

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s why we have Tracy Slocum.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

word…but will he see the field when you can hit a HR on any carry with the other two guys?

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

For running out the clock or when, somehow, the defense can stop best.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t go as far to say Vereen and Jahvid are just runners… They definitely showed off balance and jukes as the season progressed. They’re just both on the small side and need age/experience/weight-training. They’re all purpose backs in the mold of spread offense WR/RBs like Percy Harvin

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the new sig. Does this mean I can start arguing Kevin v. Nate?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah, woah, woah. I always love when people conveniently take games away from someone’s overall performance and emphasize the games where the player underperformed. Quizz ran for only 54 yards at 3.9 YPC in a loss to Furd. He ran for 101 yards at 4.0 YPC in a loss to PSU (that includes a 33 yard gain, take that out and Quizz averaged less than 3 yards). Even against “lesser” opponents like Hawaii and UW, Quizz didn’t exactly light up the scoreboard. Yeah, he outperformed Best against USC, but Jahvid outperformed him against Furd.

My point is, both guys, when they face a stiff test, didn’t put up the numbers needed for their teams to win (PSU for Quizz and USC for Jahvid). You can’t jkust take games away and point to only one guy’s struggle. When the season ends, the stats finish compiling, it’s helpful that way. And, by every measure, Jahvid stands above Quizz. Yards. Yards Per Carry. Touchdowns. Receptions. Receiving Yards. Receiving Touchdowns. Kickoff Returns.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

OSU didn’t “need” to win PSU… And yeah, that game against Stanford was brutal for Quizz, but it was his only crappy game.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, you’re right there are some games you need and others you don’t. Why even show up for the games you don’t “need?”

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

OSU didn’t need to beat PSU to make the Rose Bowl…

If they had shut the door against Oregon they would be there for the first time in 44 years.

Hey guess who didn’t play against Oregon…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

The ENTIRE FUCKING OREGON STATE DEFENSE, that’s who.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

NAILED IT!

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Or am I disqualified from this discussion?

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is DQ’ed for the DBD, evair.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody is Dairy Queened for the DBD?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

DQ Blizzards for everybody!

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Disqualification blizzards for everybody?!?!

wft?!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Man I could really go for a Disqualification blizzard right about now.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Boyhowday. It’s like a taste of chocolate rain.

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

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by JShufelt on Dec 9, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, they lost because Quizz didn’t play. I guess those 463 yards of offense OSU had would have been soooo much greater with Quizz. And, it’s Quizz’s fault they gave up nearly 700 yards and 65 points.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked my response better.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats why I put it in all caps.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

For me? That’s really nice of you Twist.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know why you’re getting so offended, I just attempted to compare stats. If you want to, look at OSU vs. Cal head to head. In that game, our D was as healthy as it had been all season, with our three stud LBs and awesome Dline and Sydquan and Hagan and and and Quizz ran us into the effing ground…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

our D did not lose that game

they gave up 13 points. Our special teams gave up 2 TDs and our offense was basically terrible.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But our offense being terrible had nothing to do with Best, according to Beastmode…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Best pretty much kept us in that game singlehandedly

Our O line could not protect Riley. And the refs really killed our momentum with that AWFUL holding call on Will.

Best did, however, have a HUUUUUGE drop on a 3rd down screen pass in the 4th quarter. He had all kinds of room to run and he looked upfield before he caught it.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I already mentioned I’d rather have Best on KRs…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

right, but Best was our BEST (get it??) offensive player by far

His KOR was big, but he was our offensive MVP, in my opinion.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

In that game, that isn’t exactly saying much.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

fair enough

but let’s stop with this notion that Quizz destroyed us in that game and Best choked. In reality, our special teams were horrible and our O line couldn’t protect Riley. That is what determined the game, not Best or Quizz.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, not one is blaming Jahvid Best for losing games.

He didn’t even lose the Maryland game for us. That’s the o-line’s fault. But he didn’t win the game for us either. On the flip side, Quizzno’s won the USC game.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Maryland was the humidity

And I would posit that Best won Big Game for us…hard to win a game when your receivers combine for ZERO yards if you don’t have a running back who can go for 200.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

yes.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re right, we didn’t need Best’s 115 yards rushing, 65 yard touchdown, 94 yards in kickoff return yardage, or his 51 yard kickoff return to start the game. Big liability. if only Cal had Quizz . . .

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I said that Best WAS a better KR than Quizz. We were talking about being RB, no?

Also, good thing we had Best against SC, he TORCHED their d for like 150 yards. Wait…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, right, only one game on the schedule counts. I see, and only the ones you deem important matter. And where OSU lost, that doesn’t matter either, unless it is against oregon and you think Quizz could play defense too.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Who knows, maybe if Quizz was in that game they could have held Oregon on D for significantly longer than otherwise?

As far as I see it he only had one really bad game, against ‘Furd. And Penn State >>> Maryland, so I’ll forgive him for that, too.

Jahvid had poor or ineffectual games against Az, SC, Maryland and OSU. You can deny this all you want but it still doesn’t make it any less true: when we NEEDED Jahvid, he couldn’t produce.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah yes, Jahvid the total choker. I think Big Game was a big game, i think he was solid against MSU, an important game, and it isn’t like Jahvid was ineffectual against AZ and OSU. But, yeah, guy isn’t a gamer.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m really sorry to have spoken ill about your son, Mrs. Best. I honestly think he’s a fantastic athlete, and he will only get better.

In the meantime here’s a towel to wipe the sand out of your vagina.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s just all chill the fuck out here.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

flagged for saying fuck!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

heh

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the Giants did that last year.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah, woah woah. Just because we disagree on things you have to go there? A tad unnecessary.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but, to be fair, you do have a rather large amount of sand in your vagina. If we are being fair.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, yeah, but I mean, still not relevant.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe me, I agree, the sandiness of your vagina is irrelevant to whether Quizz or Best is better.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if we do a statistical analysis…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not “Quizzno’s rules therefore Best sucks” type logic in play here…

I love Jahvid Best. I’m just saying, Quizzno’s showed up for big games.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Big games count more than Washington games. It’s pretty straightforward.

And his bad game against Stanford happened because he was a true freshman getting his first start and the coaches didn’t feed him the ball enough.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Look 8 ypc compared to 4.8. Over the course of a season. Not. Even. Close.

Not. Even. Close.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Cumulative stats don’t county. Only stats against SC.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

In the end, cumulative stats DON’T count. Who’s going to be remembered as a better QB, Colt Brennan or Aaron Rodgers? Who had better stats?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, for the record, Hawaii made it to a BCS game, Rodgers didn’t. Seriously though, we are comparing two guys against the same competition versus brenmnan and rodgers who didnt have common opponents.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

No, see, Best and Quizz both played SC… That’s exactly my fucking point.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

OK, and they also played 8 other common opponents, that’s my fucking point.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

They also played 8 other similar teams. And a few beyond that.

If you want, lets try to take out the OOC games and see what the numbers are there. Im too stupid to figure it out. Can anybody crunch those numbers?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a job… ah, screw this:
Best v/ Quizz YPC
Wazzou: 14.3 v 7.3 Big Deal
ASU: DNP v 4.4
Zona: 6.7 v 5 (only four carries)
UCLA: 6.8 v 4.6
Oregon: 5.8 v DNP
USC: 2.3 v 5.0 (THERE WE GO)
Furd: 10.6 v 3.9 (Quizz’s first game)
UDub: 16.4 v 4.7

And, for fun, let’s pretend Maryland and PSU were the same team:
OOC: 2.5 v 4.5

And the number say what Spazzy and I have been saying all along: Best has better big play capability, but he can be shut down. Quizzno’s cannot.

Now, damnit, everyone read this and rec it since I wasted so much work time on it.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

flagged for self-recommending

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Quiet, I’m tired of Twist asking for stats, then ignoring them.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Great job, Rishi. But what happens if you amalgamate all Pac10 games? What is the YPC there?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

But why would we do that? Then Best’s stats at Wazzou, UDub, and Furd will skew it and make the data irrelevant.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean Bests’s stats in half of Wazzu, half of UDub, and Furd will skew it and make the data irrelevant?

Also, we do it because thats the fairest measure of determining this. Comparing similar opponents. You are cherry picking similar opponents where Quizz was more successful than Best to prove your point. But we have to do it for ALL similar opponents.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re not saying that Quizzno’s > Best.

We’re saying that Best, when he has the right protection, can run astonishingly well.

But when he doesn’t, he can get shutdown (see Maryland and USC). On the flip side, even against the best defense in the nation, Quizzno’s cannot be stopped. He had a bad game at Stanford, in his first game, but other than that, his lower YPC avg is 4.4. Best’s is 2.3

Damnit, gimme a rec now.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

HOW DARE YOU SPEAK ILL OF JAHVID BEGONE FROM HERE, WASTREL.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Wastrel

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It should be duly noted that

Quizz ran behind, far and away, the best line in the Pac-10, which included a 1st Team All-American.

I think Jahvid would have done better than Quizz on OSU, but Quizz would have done better than Jahvid in the games we didn’t have good run-blocking

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

But, again, you say Best is only good with good protection. Why can’t the same be argued of Quizz? Jahvid has a far worse offensive line this season, especially against USC. Did you not see our o-line get destroyed in that game?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you watch the OSU – USC game, yes or no?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched it… Quizz had much better chances than Jahvid ever had.

And Quizz’s effectiveness was limited to the first half. He had a few decent runs in the second, but the SC defense royally adjusted

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Quizzno’s ran through USC when they were stacked.

Best, even when he had room, couldn’t make it.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed, I just don’t think one game outweighs an entire season of work. And, i think Quizz benefited from a much better and more consistent line than Jahvid.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Jahvid had a good line at Maryland.

Explain Maryland and Penn State to me, especially considering that PSU>>>>Maryland.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

The simple explanation is that Best played worse in 1 OOC game than Quizz played in another.

Given that the question is would you rather have Best or Quizz over 1 year, you have to look at the stats over 1 year.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Tell me this…

Can Jahvid Best be stopped?

Now, can Quizzno’s be stopped?

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

“Stopped” is a rather vague term that is difficult to quantify here.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

whole team sucked at Maryland

it was the weather.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm our line got completely blown up at Maryland… holding calls, penetration, missed assignments – the players mentioned these things in post game interviews

AND Jahvid got injured and was taken out of the game til we were playing pass every down offense

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, you’re right, let’s count stats against Wazzou and UDub the same as against the top defense in the country…

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m reasonably sure that is EXACTLY what Beastmode is arguing.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought he was being sarcastic, since he has been through the entire thread…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant me. I’M OVER HERE!

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You know, with this stupid formatting, I have no idea who the hell is responding to whom.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Try using “wide” view.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That helps a lot, thanks Twist.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, dude, you dont have to be a sarcastic asshole to me, I agree with you on Best v. Quizz!!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha, no, really, I totally forgot about the wideview.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

It is really confusing, AGREED.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I am using wide view and am able to view it fine.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Where do you access this “wide view” you speak of?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Flagged for stupidity!

PS Go to the front page and look on the left, there is narrow and wide. I read in Wide, whenever possible. Although sometimes computer monitors dont allow it.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Much better now

but since we’re arguing, THANKS A FUCKING LOT MOTHERFUCKER

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

FUCK YOU YOU CENTIPEDE-FILLED VAGINA HAVING MOTHERFUCKER

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

If we’re going to play the stats game, which would you rather have FOR THE TEAM:

100 yards and 2 TDs against SC or 600 yards and 8 tds against the Washington schools…

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

and quizz had like 50 more carries to improve his YPC

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Already been said that Jahvid has better big play capability, but Quizzno’s can’t get shut down.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

^^what he said

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not offended at all. Just debating an issue where you are clearly wrong.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I stick by my original thesis: given top-notch blocking and Oline play, I’d take Best (ie against crappy defenses).

Otherwise, I’d take Quizz, as evidenced by the fact that he destroyed SC and is better in short-yardage situations.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

But, would Quizz have “destroyed” SC with a weaker line? And, over the season, Best has actually been better than Quizz in short yardage as evidenced above. You have one game, I got a whole season as proof.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Would Quizz have done so poorly against Maryland with a completely healthy line?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

But there was humidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it really use even speculating?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

But, would Quizz have "destroyed" SC with a weaker line?

You tell me.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Salesman

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

And, didn’t you get the message from the Cal Athletics Office? EVERY GAME COUNTS!

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I like how Vereen and Best have been VERY good at BALL SECURITY… I really only remember the fumbles against Colo State and Oregon (very understandable in that weather) + Jahvid was in a sling.

They don’t get enough credit for this… Was this the least amount of RB fumbles in a season?

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian Geurts (sp?)

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

You got “Geurts” right, but misspelled “Peter”.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats the new way to spell “Peter.”

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

So do I now need to log in as Calfornia Bri? Sounds like a snooty cheese from Sonoma.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Dec 9, 2008 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, not my problem!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would his answer change in two years? What, Quizz is somehow going to run a 100m time that could qualify for the Olympics like Jahvid?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno, maybe Quizz gets better?

Nah, that never happens to football players.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Jahvid’s major advantage is speed and, to some extent, size. Sorry, there is no way Quizz will ever match Jahvid’s top-end speed and pretty unlikely he is going to grow four inches.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the way you stick up for our Cal boys… BEASTMODE FOR NEW WELCOME TEAM SHERIFF

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll support Beastmode for this. Plus, he has an actualCal-related nme. WTF does Spazzy McGee ean???

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What does it ean?!?!?!?!?!

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate my keyboard SO muh right now!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I ATE YOUR KEYBOARD TOO

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Lousy Smarch weather.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

From the Football Awards Banquet

“I want to thank the training staff, who sometimes held me together with rolls and rolls of duct tape and spackle.” – Anthony Felder

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Jahvid’s arm looked like it was loaded up with duct tape and spackle.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Also spit and unicorn dust.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Another quote from the Banquet:
On Spencer Ladner: “I really want to see this guy in Pac 10 play because we couldn’t defend him.” Pete Alamar

Pete, so do I. So. Do. I.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Why didn’t Ladener play then? Marv Jones’ redshirt was burned for pretty much no reason.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They weren’t expecting Jones to get hurt…

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But, even before he was injured, he wasn’t exactly an integral part of the offense. Was he?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

All the receivers were jockeying for position… Boateng, Ross, Tucker didn’t emerge until Calvin and Jones went out. Ross really was only in for his reverse/sweeps/tricks early in the season. He was definitely behind the other 4 underclassmen for passing situations. Sean Young and Cunningham also ate into everyone’s time.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m a bit surprised Young saw so little playing time as the season went on. But that is mostly because of how good Tucker has been. That said, Young was effective in the first few games.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow. Just looking at the numbers comparison between Brigford and Barkley. Is it wrong that I am looking past Riley, Mansion, and Sweeney?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Riley is going to be a stud next year. Brock Mansion throws one of the best incompletions I’ve ever seen. And Beau Sweeney? Nate Longshore Part II

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Mansion looked like a deer in the headlights vs. Washington. There were some things I liked…but he was OC most of his brief time. He looks talented though.

I’m getting excited about Bridgford…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 12:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I really haven’t seen much out of Mansion. he didn’t look good in Spring Practice and his throws have been equally erratic in his small amount of playing time this year. I do like his mobility, and maybe the inconsistency is more a function of lack of reps.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Give him time, Riley looked horrible in his first spring practises.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 12:58 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I wasn’t that surprised.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I know, I get it. All I was trying to say is Brigford seems to fit the Tedford mold a bit better. I always thought Mansion was recruited for Dunbar’s modified spread which Cal has moved away from implementing.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

you are correct…he liked the spread.

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

times every heralded recruit.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

probably not Sweeney

I agree. But this probably means that Sweeney will end up being “the guy” that emerges from this group. Is it too soon to get him a party yacht, too?

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Dec 9, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

under the radar guys don't get party yachts

maybe the Beau Sweeney Get-Together Schooner.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Beau Sweeney’s, Cajun Family Fun Style Dining!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

all aboard BMPY

you’ll love him now…he’s the biggest, fastest, and strongest QB evair.

Brock called me to let me know he just committed and he put Coach Tedford on the phone and they were hootin’ and hollerin’ and having a good old time," laughed Mansion. “Coach Tedford said that this was the biggest quarterback he ever had that could move like Brock can. Brock runs a 4.7 forty and weighs 230 pounds right now and doesn’t have an ounce of fat on him. He loves the weight room and loves his workouts. He just turned 18. When it’s all said and done, I think he (Tedford) will have a 6-5/245-50 quarterback that can really run and throw the ball.”

Mansion’s father cited a play last season where Brock ran wide left and flicked the ball across his body 60 yards down the field for a completion as ample evidence of his arm strength and athleticism. Mansion’s impressive totals of 2,000 passing yards to go along with 1,000 rushing yards also bore testimony to Mansion’s unique combination of size, speed and strength.

via http://california.scout.com/2/541580.html

I just hope he has the intagibles that all QBs need…

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 1:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He’ll start at some point… next year or 2011, who knows?

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 1:20 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Brock runs a 4.7 forty and weighs 230 pounds…

OF TWISTED STEEL AND ROMPIN’ STOMPIN’ DYNAMITE

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think it’s Twisted Steel and Sex Appeal in his case

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I was watching the 2003 Insight Bowl last night and they announcers discussed Tedford’s quarterback necessities. Number Four was arm strength and Number Three was elusiveness. Interesting that I don’t remember exactly what the first two requirements are, but I believe they were mechanics and game management, or something like that.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If those were the 4 requirements I can see why Tedford loves(d?) Longshre.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 1:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think 1. was an armor-plated upper back and tailspikes.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Just because he wears #9…

by turkey on Dec 9, 2008 1:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bridgford does have a stud WR on his team to help out (a DB recruit committed to UCLA, but studly WR at HS level)… Barkley is playing on one of the least talented Mater Dei teams I’ve ever seen.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont know what to think about Giambi.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I know…he sold out…big time…

just wait until he hits one off the stairs in RF stands…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

FLAGGED

roider

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

like your team (the Giants) can talk…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Flagged for double standards!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:16 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You will admit, Barry caught a hundred times more flak than just about everyone, probably because he had a touchy relationship with the media over his entire career.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

and that book nailed his ass…

it nailed a few others…including former A’s…but Bonds was the most prominent and, possibly, the biggest f’n user…

and Sabean et al knew he was doing it!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m pretty sure a lot of people used steroids just as frequently, and ownership EVERYWHERE took a blind eye. I’m not saying Barry isn’t guilty, but he has caught so much more shit than everyone, by far, and unfairly I think.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

he did catch more shit…basically because he was the biggest star with the records and entourage.

The whole damn league is dirty and Barry is the f’n poster child.

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, not just “more shit” but waaaaay waaaay WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYY more shit.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I just read like the last 200 or so comments

and I’m totally confused.

the BMPY out rushed Subway in big games and that’s why we should run Best more?

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 9, 2008 2:38 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That’s what I generally gleaned from those posts too.

BUT, as usual, the correct answer to all these questions is:

MARSHAWN

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ok, since Rishi wont do it, I had to. Math hurts Twist brain.

Jahvid Best: Overall 174 for 1394

MSU 24 for 111
Md 10 for 25
CSU 11 for 85

Pac10 Only 129 for 1173 for an average of 9.09 (over a yard higher than his actual average, which is interesting)

Quizz: Overall 259 for 1253

PSU 22 for 99
Hawii 26 for 110
Utah 25 for 101

Pac10 Only 186 for 943 for an average of 5.06

So, if you look at similar opponents only, figuring that as the sample size increases, so does the relevance of the numbers, then Best averages 4 yards a carry more than Quizz. Perhaps Quizz’s running style is more of a bruising one than Best, sure. Nobody disputes that. But taking out non-common opponents only further strengthens the argument that Best is the better back.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

And, to be fair, here are my statistics:

Best v/ Quizz YPC

Wazzou: 14.3 v 7.3 Big Deal
ASU: DNP v 4.4
Zona: 6.7 v 5 (only four carries)
UCLA: 6.8 v 4.6
Oregon: 5.8 v DNP
USC: 2.3 v 5.0 (THERE WE GO)
Furd: 10.6 v 3.9 (Quizz’s first game)
UDub: 16.4 v 4.7

And, for fun, let’s pretend Maryland and PSU were the same team:
OOC: 2.5 v 4.5

And the number say what Spazzy and I have been saying all along: Best has better big play capability, but he can be shut down. Quizzno’s cannot.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate the work you put into that Rishi. It is very informative. But again, you are cherry picking stats here. Let’s look at the whole season. Especially considering that the question is “Which one for a year?”

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I appreciate the work you put into that Twist It is very informative. But again, you are skewing the data with outliers. Let’s look at the whole season. Especially considering that the question is "Who is more consistent?"

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

“2. You can have either Jacquizz Rodgers or Jahvid Best for one year. Which one do you want on your team?”

That is the question. Over the span of a year, Best had more yards and averaged more yards per carry. Over the span of Pac10 only opponents, Best had more yards and averaged more yards per carry.

Your definition of “outlier” appears to be any game that doesn’t prove your point. Why is this?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Because the outliers prove that Jahvid Best has big-play capability, which is not a topic of disagreement.

While Jahvid’s low output at Maryland and USC prove he can be shut down or taken out of the gameplan, while Quizzno’s cannot.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

No it doesn’t. You completely ignore other variables in the Maryland and SC games.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, so Jahvid Best can be shut down, while Quizzno’s cannot.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

The Stanfurd game does not qualify as being shutdown, OK.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It was his first game! And he got 14 carries.

And even that game had a better YPC than Jahvid’s performances at USC and Maryland.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If Jahvid weren’t injured at Maryland, I’m sure his stats would not have looked the same. Plus, he also got a lot of receiving yards in taht game (I remember one great route that went for like 30). That’s what Jahvid brings to the table.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Jahvid had 5 catches for 65 yards.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year will be the real test

Let us see how USC handles Quizz when they know what they’re dealing with, and let’s see how Best performs with a healthy offensive line and a respectable passing game.

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by CBKWit on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough. I still think the numbers point towards Best by such an outrageous margin that it is difficult to argue towards Quizz. If it was close and Best had gotten most of his yards in the one half he played against UDub and the one half he played against WSU, Id prolly be in your boat.

But since Best is so much better statistically I still think Best is the way to go.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t get me wrong, I want to have Jahvid Best.

All I said is Quizzno’s is more dependable. Does not mean I’d trade Jahvid Better for him.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I take Best over Quizz for his abilities to play on the wings and be motioned out of the backfield. If he hadn’t been hurt for a good portion of the year, I think we would have seen him line up to catch passes more. Unfortunately, having his arm in a sling prevented this.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That is true, these numbers don’t include receiving stats. Not sure if Quizz gets as many receptions as Best does.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

they were freakishly dead even

and suggests Best needs more touches through the air next year

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He can’t get them if his arm is in a sling

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Quizz.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

And can I just state for the record, since both are coming back next year, I hope by the end of next season I will eat these words with a fork and spoon!

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I AM SHOCKED.

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think everything is pretty simple

Jahvid gives you a huge chance for big plays and quick points, but he can also kill drives with negative yardage plays.

Quizzno’s doesn’t not give you the quick strike benefit, but he almost never loses yardage and is more reliable in short-yardage.

I think they style of offense determines who you want. Not some PERSONAL STATS match-up

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:05 PM PST reply actions  

As in boxing where styles make fights, that’s probably true here. Though, I think Jahvid can produce against SC if he had the same blocking Quizz had earlier this season.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Let’s try it and find out.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

If my aunt had testicles, she’d be TwistNHook, what’s your point?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And, also, Jahvid is a much better pass-catcher, despite the statistics. Like Vereen, he can run wheel routes and line-up as a receiver and demand attention.

Quizz got all his yards on dump-offs.

This is why Jahvid would probably be ideally suited in Oregon’s offense. I think he would have gone over 2000 yards on fewer carries this year in that system.

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by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Is this a record for most comments outside of an open-thread?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

my browser can’t handle this!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

My employer can’t handle this.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Do we need a DBD2? Rishi, you wanna practice your DBDing skills for tomorrow?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah...

Let’s go for the record!

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

PS

Can you perform statistical analysis of how many posts were by which people? Fooch at Niners Nation does it all the time.

by Rishi on Dec 9, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

SBN does not give us special tools to do that

so i’d guess he just has a script go through the threads and total the number of times each name comes up in a comment. it’d be pretty easy to write, i’d imagine. wanna try it?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 9, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll do it!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I cant do shit, but it appears that peoples browsers genuinely cvant handle this amount and it is slowing down their computer. Would you do me a favor and start a new DBD? I would really appreciate it.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

it’s slowing down…but we’re not yet at dial up speed…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

All this arguing is hiding the real important question:

Would you rather date a girl with no arms, or no legs?

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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 9, 2008 3:16 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

no legs…

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by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

No arms. God I love legs.

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

no arms…no handy

plus legs get in the way…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

If only there was a DBDII about this question!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 9, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Visually, no arms. Utility, no legs.

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s like having Best and Quizz!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is Best and which is Quizz?

by BeastMode on Dec 9, 2008 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

This is easy

Best is obviously the legs

You ain't got it like Marshawn got it

by Thoroughbred on Dec 9, 2008 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

rec’d for appropriateness

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

512th comment…go baby, go!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

link?

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s what she said!

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 9, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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