Cal vs. Washington 12.06.08 Pregame and 1st Quarter Open Thread
by ragnarok on Dec 6, 2008 12:00 AM PST
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With 5 conferences holding championship games this week (ACC, Big XII, C-USA, MAC, SEC) and 3 others having completely finished their slate of games (Big 10, Mountain West, WAC), there aren't too many games left for this final weekend of football. Only 2 Sun Belt games won't be on at least basic cable, and you can probably even find Arkansas State @ Troy on TV somewhere if you are willing to pay for it (I can't imagine why you would).
Also, a reminder that Cal men's basketball will be playing at Missouri Sunday morning at 11AM as part of the Big 12 / Pac 10 Hardwood Series. The game will be televised on ESPNU, so if you get that channel, join us here for an open thread. (Apparently, ESPNU isn't among the several hundred or so channels that I pay Comcast over $100 per month for, so I guess I'll be following along on the radio.)
Anywho, here's what's on TV today.
Morning:
Navy @ Army, 9:00AM - CBS
#23 Pittsburgh @ Connecticut, 9:00AM - ESPN
East Carolina @ Tulsa, 9:00AM - ESPN2 (C-USA Championship)
#17 Boston College @ #25 Virginia Tech, 10:00AM - ABC (ACC Championship)
Start your morning off on a patriotic note and catch a bit of Army-Navy before you head up to Berkeley. The truly amateur nature of the players, the sacrifice, the pageantry -- it's everything that's great about college football.
If Navy starts blowing out Army (a distinct possibility), you can always switch over to the Big East ACC Championship game, attended by a few thousand die-hard fans in Tampa, FL, hundreds of miles from either Boston or Blascksburg, VA. Remind me again why the ACC expanded?
Afternoon:
Washington @ California, 12:00PM - Comcast Sports Net Bay Area
#1 Alabama @ #4 Florida, 1:00PM - CBS (SEC Championship)
#5 USC @ UCLA, 1:30PM - ABC
If you're not at the Cal game, you'll be treated to a doozy of an SEC title game, with a likely BCS title game berth on the line. Florida's favored by about 10, but I can see this game being a lot closer than that.
If you're a fan of El Paso, root for a Bruins upset of the Trojans, a result which would probably send the Bears to the Sun Bowl. Is the football monopoly in Los Angeles truly over? My guess is 'no'.
Evening:
#20 Missouri @ #2 Oklahoma, 5:00PM - ABC (Big XII Championship)
Arizona State @ Arizona, 5:00PM - ESPN
South Florida @ West Virginia, 5:00PM - ESPN2
The main event of the evening is the Big XII title game, where Oklahoma can win a trip to the BCS title game by beating Missouri. Should they falter, Texas looks pretty good to take their place, although I suppose USC has an outside shot.
If that game gets out of hand, switch over to the Worldwide Leader, where Arizona State will be fighting for a bowl berth and the Territorial Cup down in Tucson. People like to claim that the Territorial Cup is the oldest trophy in college football, and while that's technically true, it's fairly disingenuous. From Wikipedia:
The cup was originally awarded to the Arizona Territorial Normal School football team for winning the Arizona Territorial Football League Championship after a season of three games in 1899. As a result, the cup is actually the property of Arizona State University. The Normals, as they were known at the time, were undefeated in gridiron matches with the Phoenix Union High School (6-0), the Phoenix Indian School (6-0) and the University of Arizona (11-2).
Subsequently, the trophy was placed in the archives and lost for eighty-odd years. After it was found, it was placed on display until 2001, when the ASU President ordered the cup shared as a trophy for the winner of the ASU-UA game. Oldest, yes, but it's only been contested like, 9 times. As far as rivalry trophies go, the Territorial Cup doesn't hold a candle to Floyd of Rosedale.
Late Night:
#13 Cincinnati @ Hawai'i, 8:30PM - ESPN2
Once again, Hawai'i will host the last regular-season college football game of the year, this time with basically nothing on the line. Cincy is already headed to the BCS, and Hawai'i is already set for another home game in the Hawai'i Bowl. If ASU beats Arizona, the Sun Devils get to go to the Las Vegas Bowl, and the Wildcats will fall to the Hawai'i game; otherwise, the WAC has to go hunting for a free agent.
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2003 Insight Bowl
This is really random, but does anyone know if the 2003 insight bowl divx / iso or anything exists, and of course, where I can get it.
by nickle on Dec 6, 2008 2:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
i’ve actually got an .mp4 of it on my computer. i’ll send you a link.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Dec 6, 2008 8:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see that game too. Thanks!
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 8:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the same thing. If you have a link, let me know.
by BeastMode on Dec 6, 2008 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CAn I get that link also if possible?
Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 6, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to say that tomorrow for the UW game
I AM PUMPED THE FUCK UP. YES. PUMPED. HOLY SHIT WILLINGHAM DID YOU SEE THAT? THAT’S JAHVID BEST. HE’S FUCKING FAST. NO ONE CAN STOP HIM. EVER. NOBODY. NEVER. YOU CAN’T STOP HIM WILLINGHAM. YOU CAN’T. YOU CAN’T. STOPPING HIM IS SOMETHING YOU CAN’T DO. FUCK. YES.
LET’S GO DANCE TEAM. COME ON. LET’S SEE SOME MOVES DANCE TEAM. FOR ZACK FOLLETT. HE’S A TRAIN. NOBODY GETS THROUGH ZACK. HE TACKLED PRITCHARD LIKE THE BITCH HE IS. YES. I AM SO PUMPED. FUCKING PUMPED THE FUCK UP. HE’S A PAIN TRAIN. ZACK FOLLETT JUST WRECKED YOU, WILLINGHAM. HE IS UNSANE.
HEY RILEY PASS IT TO BOATENG. THROW IT TO BOATENG TEDFORD. HE’S A BOAT. HE’S A PADDLEBOAT. HE’S A SAILBOAT. HE DOESN’T DROP SHIT. HE’S A ROWBOAT. HE’S A MOTHERFUCKING PARTY LUXURY YACHT. YES. THROW IT TO BOATENG MOTHERFUCKER. YES.
I AM SO FUCKING PUMPED THE FUCK UP.
THANK YOU PETE NEWELL.
Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 6, 2008 3:24 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
CaliSeth???
Spazzy, good job of channeling our absent (and inebriated) comrade.
My only question is whether the potion was scotch, vodka, rum, or tequila.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
by SoCal Oski on Dec 6, 2008 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ball St's journey finally over
after losing the MAC (WHO?) Title to 8-5 Buffalo 42-24…can they finally go away now?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/05/sports/s202721S25.DTL
The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.
by carp on Dec 6, 2008 7:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
GO UB! Go Turner Gill (future Auburn coach hopefully)!
Why do you hate David Letterman?
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
UB was fantastic last night, what a great turnaround! Turner Gill is an incredible individual, he loves those kids, you can tell. Whether he stays at UB or leaves for bigger things, he’s going to be a damn good football coach for a long time.
by BeastMode on Dec 6, 2008 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A 28 point swing on two turnovers doesn’t hurt either.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And one questionable replay. That was a Ball State touchdown.
by BeastMode on Dec 6, 2008 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Army’s camaflouge unis are pretty sweet.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - that is sweet!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they left earlier than normal because we start half an hour earlier than normal. I feel like my whole morning is offset by the half-hour difference.
"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.
by Berkelium97 on Dec 6, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.justin.tv/prd74test
Should work for the basketball game on Sunday too.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm on the DL today
Hurt leg + fever keeping me out of the stands, guess I’ll have CGB all to myself
http://mymindgrapes.wordpress.com
by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How dare they schedule Cal’s final regular season game during law school finals.
by GoldenTorero on Dec 6, 2008 11:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya, even if I wasn’t sick today, I still have multiple CS projects and have to run some intramural finals this weekend. Absolutely awful weekend to have senior day.
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by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also on the DL today...
damn knees aren’t up to the task. Guess I’ll be bloggin’ with y’all today!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Paul Maguire is dressed up like a pirate on the Tampa Pirate Ship
This is mildly horrifying.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Whoooo! Whoo whoooooo! It’s time! IT’S TIME! IT’S PAIN TRAIN TIIIIIIIIIIME!
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 11:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I’m looking at the stadium on TV.. .where is everyone… I know everyone is usually late… but will we have 40K today???
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is the stream late? Could that be why? I thought 12 was KO time.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man I hoped they taped that intro an hour ago. That stadium looks empty.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know! That is ridiculous - now i feel bad for not going.
Oh well, life continues.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, there is nobody there! Even the student section is empty.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would say most people didn’t know there was a game today. Also, most of my group isn’t going due to an inordinate amount of projects and papers. Having a game so close to finals is not a good idea.
http://mymindgrapes.wordpress.com
by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's also what you get for expanding the season...
…which i think was a mistake. You say you can’t have a playoff because students have finals, but then you expand the season? Hey NCAA, let’s not forget that these kids are students.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see anything wrong with a post finals playoff, but no games should be played in December pre Christmas.
http://mymindgrapes.wordpress.com
by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with this Pac-12 business...
…adding Fresno St. and Boise St., creating a 12-team and having a championship game?
I’m not a fan of the Idea – and so splitting the the Pac-12 into 2 divisions? Nah.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Huh? Who came up with that suggestion?
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the Fox Sports Net college football program hosts. He mentioned it right before they showed that promo of a bunch of NCAA players.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this moron saying Tedford's goal was the BCS this year
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Same dude with the Pac-12 statement, I think.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the guys in the pregame show for CSN...
he was talking about it, but I’ve heard the suggestion before.
I assume it’s supposedly bring more talent to the conference and give Fresno St. and Boise St. a chance to hang with the big boys? Lame.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fresno State and Boise State would never qualify academically. It’d have to be UC Davis or Hawaii.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. These shots of the campus are making me nostalgic.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
working on campus will cure you of that...
hehe.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bah. I’m a grad student at Davis now. This campus can’t compare :(
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least there’s more space to play intramural
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, what happened to the gold pants?
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this’ll be a good indicator of things to come!
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not even that.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeeeeeze, huge swaths of empty space. I should’ve bought a ticket and went to the game.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could’ve taken a pillow and laid out in Section R.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are no more than 40000 people here
http://mymindgrapes.wordpress.com
by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
These wideshots of the half-empty stadium are really depressing.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it, but I love the production values, HD and the fact that they have no commercials on this broadcast.
by Shadwhand on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Washington's had trouble moving the ball all football season"
you know, he’s right – if they played during basketball season, they’d have a much better chance on the football field.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
GONE
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nice block by Ross… coming across the middle.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that end zone shot
looks like games when i was a kid during the holmoecaust
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by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that combination of FloMax and Levitra is finally working for you? Congrats!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wtf the announcers on MSG said Riley has a good completion percentage this year
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Dec 6, 2008 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe they were thinking field goal percentage
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do announcers anywhere know anything about cal?
or do they just pull nonsense out of their asses?
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by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what's wrong
… this is the best Cal announcing crew in the biz… Petros and Barry… they love Cal.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m extremely familiar with Barry’s work on the SaberCats games…tends to make stuff up and comes in unprepared. Should stick to boxing.
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by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Musberger and Herbstreit? They LOVE CAL.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, they’re great too… but Petros is my fav color commentator and Barry is a hometown guy.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
geez, the Washington pocket should never last that long!
come on Bears, stomp on their necks!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is like watching NCAA 09 with the computer AI dumbed all the way down.
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to adjust the difficulty level and the sliders.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumor is that Washington turned down Mike Leach. Thank god.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
god bless Washington's love of mediocrity and failure
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Dec 6, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently they thought he was to eccentric. The Washington folks know how to sniff out the geniuses and keep them far away from the program.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, winning isn’t something they want to do anymore.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be sad if we can put up 21 this quarter.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still pissed that Longshore didn't start this game...
I mean, you know Washington won’t be that much of a challenge, and you know Nate is still a damn good quarterback – what, you couldn’t let him start his last home game as a senior? That’s messed up. And don’t get me started on how he should have started the Big Game.
Hmph.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
imagine what would have happened if cal somehow lost though
by nickle on Dec 6, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he has to play the whole game...
but at least start.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i see what you mean (since it's senior day and all)
but as a cal fan, i imagine the worst case scenario, like he goes 3and out twice, and we end up losing on a missed fg.
prob woulnd’t happen. but we’ve seen a lot.
by nickle on Dec 6, 2008 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if cal loses this game
should be dropped to d-2
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by 408 on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I sorta agree with you… i don’t think it would’ve hurt to start LS.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HE DIDN’T CALL THE FAKE PAT TEDFORD! PLEASE FORGIVE HIM!
/Hydrotech’d
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s with helmets popping off so easily this year?
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It’s very strange although on that play 57 led with his head.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“What do you see? UC Berkeley.”
Lame.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Watch your head Riley, watch your head :(
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tui's got a chip on his shoulder - he's trying to make up for the shame that his brother has brought upon the family...
Marques blows. can’t move past 3rd-string QB on the damn Raiders? Sad.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Freshman Anthony Miller
… he gave the DE a free release!!! WFT!
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You’re lucky Hydro’s at the game.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
omg
will t was injured all last year and missed the whole season?
wow these guys really have inside information.. so informative.
by falseintellect on Dec 6, 2008 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oski is despondent! Quick! Someone get him some alcohol!
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Team is falling asleep!
…they gotta snap out of it.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
dammit
gotta make those chip shots!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo!!
Pain Train!!
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Prophet has spoken with the Almighty. His message: 1st Down and Ten Bears.
by The Hombre on Dec 6, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like how Follet’s tackles make him look like he’s giving a hug.
“MOMMMMMMMMYYYYYYY!!!”
by BleedinBlue on Dec 6, 2008 12:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Zack's making his case for the NFL Draft...
…loud and clear. Raising his stock with every sack.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He was throwing it away...
that was for WillT but he was covered
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
riley could have run the ball for some yards, no?
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Florida-Bama at 1
Anyone going to flip between that one if this one gets out of hand?
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Never. All Bears, all the time.
but if anyone else wants to, go for it.
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on Dec 6, 2008 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is like our offense all year..
crappy crappy crappy, big play, crappy crappy.
hopefully washington defense = more big play, less crappy.
by falseintellect on Dec 6, 2008 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Polk was a big time recruit, but he's been a bust so far.
… and his first name isn’t Jordan.
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
James K. Polk was a decent president.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 6, 2008 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not if you’re of spanish decent. But yes, I think he was pretty good…
by danzig on Dec 6, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy living in California, so I guess I have to approve of him?
by turkey on Dec 6, 2008 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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