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Looking Back at Big Game 2008: The Failed PAT

ADDENDUM ADDED at the bottom of the post.

 

Good friend of the Marshawnthusiasts, Avi (aka "Bears Necessity"), thought it might be worth my while to take a look at something that happened during Big Game - specifically the failed PAT attempt. 

When I first saw the game, I really had nothing to say on the issue other than it looked like Longshore got spooked and bailed out. 

However, now I feel like I need to weigh in on the issue after being informed that there are rumors floating around on the internet that Longshore called his own number and decided to fake the PAT against orders of Tedford:

Nate told the tight end to go for the end zone and he would throw him the ball. Unlike the Levy incident, this audible occurred when the Big Game still was on the line. There are other distinctions from what Levy did as well.

and in another post by the person who said that:

There is more to the fumbled extra point in the big game than meets the eye.

The post above was also edited to apparently take out more sensitive information:

Last edited by XXXXXXX;  Yesterday [December 1, 2008] at 11:04 PM. Reason: too much non-public info

So what the heck happened on that play?

Also, we've started again with that posting.  Check it:  Interview with Gary Tyrrell, Women's B-Ball Primer.

Star-divide

Before I give my opinion, let me just preface this by saying that I don't have inside info on what happened.  Apparently, the poster who posted the rumor on the public boards of BearInsider.com has inside info or knows somebody who does, but I don't.  I'm just going off of what I see and the knowledge I retain from my time with the team.

That being said, I watched the play now multiple times and here are my findings and the reasons for my conclusion:

I don't think Longshore called his own number and decided to fake the PAT without authorization from the coaches.

(1) No TEs went out to receive, instead they all stayed in to block.  If the rumors are true, and Longshore did tell the TE(s) to go out, then how come they didn't?  It's possible that Longshore did tell one or more to go out and they decided to not obey Longshore.  But there is a chain of command on the field and the holder is at the top.  The holder tells the long snapper when to snap the ball.  The holder has the ability to call fakes.  The holder is the "QB" (in the sense that he's the leader) for the PAT squad.  If the holder says something, the team does it because it's the holder who has the best view of the defense.

This rumor that Longshore told the TE(s) to go out can be interpreted in two ways.  First, either Longshore told only one player (perhaps two players) about the fake and not the others.  Second, Longshore called the "fake PAT" command. 

First, if Longshore only told one player about the fake and not the entire squad, well, that'd be foolish - so foolish that there would be no point in doing it.  Not only would none of the other players know of the play which would inevitably increase the chances of failure but also because Longshore would get reamed by Tedford and the punishment would far outweigh the rewards.   I don't think Longshore was ad libbing and called his own number or only told one player about the fake. 

Second, if Longshore called the "fake PAT" command, then the PAT team should have executed the fake.  There are certain things that the holder says before snaps.  If you're around the team long enough, you learn what these special words are.  Assuming the special teams terminology hasn't changed, even yours truly could call a fake PAT play.  Although I can't hear if Longshore called out the order, if he did, the team should have executed the play regardless of the original playcall - yet nobody did.

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It's only until the Stanfurd players react to the non-kick and Longshore rolling out, do the Cal TEs go out to receive.  Thus, it's clear that the Cal TEs are only going out in reaction to seeing the Furd defenders reacting to the non-kick and not because this was a fake PAT. 

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(2) The playclock wasn't low and thus this wasn't a time issue. 
On the replay the playclock is at a healthy 17 seconds at the time of the snap.  This isn't a situation where the playclock was running low, so the holder requested the ball immediately, and the kicker wasn't prepared so the holder bailed.

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(3) The kicker started his approach on time and appeared surprised when Longshore bailed out.  Watching the replay, the kicker, Giorgio Tavecchio, starts his approach on time, and appears very genuinely surprised that Longshore pulled the ball out.

(4) Snap is slightly inside and the ball placement was off.  This is perhaps the most convincing factor but also the hardest to see.  If you watch the play, Longshore has his right index finger on the ground at the spot where Tavecchio wants the ball.  In other words, when the ball is placed, Longshore is supposed to place the ball at that spot (all this is worked out prior to the play).  When the snap occurs, the ball is slightly inside (towards Longshore) and Longshore is unable to get the ball down on the exact spot where he had his right index finger pointed prior to the play.  Longshore does get the ball down though.  It's not like Longshore didn't get the ball down.  He gets the ball down on time, but it's inches off the mark.  Specifically, a few inches forward and to the left of where Tavecchio wanted the ball (you need to REALLY look closely at the replay to see this).  Perhaps Longshore felt like his ball placement was so off that Tavecchio would have missed or toed the ball and thus Longshore bailed out.

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Picture above: Green dot represents desired ball placement for the hold.  Ball is snapped into Longshore's body and cannot be seen.

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Picture above: Green dot represents desired ball placement for the hold.  Yellow dot represents where the ball was actually placed for the hold.


(5) Stanfurd had all 11 men on the field and so it's doubtful Longshore called a fake to take advantage of an under-manned defense.  Count 'em.  There are 11 defenders.  I know it's hard to see, but I checked.  So it's not like Stanfurd only had 10 defenders on the field.  Trying to run a fake is a lot easier against 10 defenders than 11, so why do it against 11?

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(6) This just doesn't sound like something Longshore would do.
  I don't know the guy personally.  I know many readers sometimes jokingly (and others seriously) suggest that Longshore must have pictures of me naked, or I'm related to him, or I'm friends with him, because of the way I so adamantly defended Longshore last year, but I really don't know him personally.  However, I have spent a lot of time around the guy at practices.  He's a fairly serious guy.  He does have his moments where he's a bit goofy - as do all the Cal QBs - but he never lets his own playfulness get in the way of team business.  Judging from what I've seen from Longshore as a person and player, doing what the rumors suggests seems very unlike him.


Final Thoughts:

I just can't accept these rumors that Longshore called his own number on that play or changed the play.

I think if anything, Longshore maybe thought there was a defender coming in and that's why he bailed or Longshore thought his ball placement was off enough to warrant bailing out.

But like I said, I don't have inside information.  Maybe there is more that meets the eye.  Until someone wants to come forward and really explain things or present some sort of sworn testimony, then I'm just going to call this rumor as very speculative and unsupported by the visual evidence at hand. 

Finally, this rumor is originating from BearInsider.com.  While that chat board is a great place to have tons of Cal related discussion, it is also the leading source of the anti-Longshore sentiment on the internet (I'm not saying everyone on BearInsider.com is anti-Longshore, but the anti-Longshore sentiment is clearly the strongest on that board than anywhere else on the internet).  I suppose it's possible that this might be the work of someone who still harbors great Longshore hatred. 

So in short summary, I don't find the rumor supported by the visual evidence above.  The source of the rumor is coming from a traditionally anti-Longshore board which hurts the rumor's credibility, and there is no further explanation by those who supposedly know what really happened.

 

Addendum:

A few other notable arguments have surfaced since this post was published that I would like to address.  Before we get to those arguments, let me just clarify that there are two possible ways that Longshore could have faked the PAT:

Theory #1: He told only one or two players on the PAT team that he was going to fake the hold and that they should go out for a pass.  Additionally, Longshore did not tell the rest of the team. This theory seems to be the one which the internet rumor describes.

Theory #2: He called the full-out fake PAT command to the PAT team just prior to the snap.

One argument in support of the idea that Longshore faked the PAT was that the receivers had delayed routes - meaning they would fake the block, then slip out on a route after a second.  This argument is extremely weak and ignores the indisputable visual evidence at hand.  If you watch the replay, you can clearly see from the body language of the outside blockers (the ones who would normally go out on a route if it were a true fake) that they are blocking from the start and all the way.  They only go out to receive once they see the Stanfurd defenders reacting to Longshore rolling out.  Thus, the evidence at hand seems to disprove this argument in support of the two above theories that Longshore called a fake-PAT.

The second argument is that perhaps Longshore told the players to run the fake, and that they didn't because they knew they'd get chrewed out, and thus that is why nobody went out to receive.  This argument is only viable for theory #1 (that Longshore told only one or two players on the PAT team and not the entire team).  This argument does not apply to theory #2 because when the holder calls out the fake-PAT command, the team should execute the play regardless.  Just prior to the snap, the holder calls out play X or play Y.  Whichever command he calls out, they execute.  In most situations, the holder calls out the PAT command, rather than the fake-PAT command.  Had the holder called out the fake-PAT command, then the receivers would have gone out - which they did not.  Thus, that is why this argument (that the players didn't go out because they didn't want to get chewed out by the coaches) only applies to theory #1 (that Longshore only told one or two players on the PAT team and not the entire team). 

So let's evaluate the argument behind the receivers not going out because they didn't want to get chewed out by the coaches.  Well, if there is a chance that the players are going to get chewed out by the coaches, then they are less likely to do something which will cause them to get chewed out by the coaches.  Nobody likes getting chewed out.  Thus, this argument suggests that Longshore put his teammates in a situation where he wanted them to do something that would result in them getting chewed out by the coaches.  This, on its face seems fairly ridiculous.  Longshore seems like the type of player to not ask his teammates to be insubordinate of the coaches' orders.  Furthermore, if Longshore did such a thing, and the players he told to go out did not go out, the play is going to fail.  Longshore knows this.  Yet, proponents of this argument would still say that Longshore would have done this and Longshore was hoping that the players would have obeyed him (and knowing that if the players didn't go out to receive that the play would fail) all the while knowing they'd get chewed out by the coaches?  This doesn't seem likely.

So in fact, the argument that the players did not go out because they didn't want to get chewed out by the coaches' strengthens the presumption that Longshore did not tell a teammate to go out for a pass.  Longshore does not seem like the player who would do something which result in either him or his teammates getting chewed out by the coaches. 

Third, Ohio Bear brings up a good point that is plausible.  Ohio Bear says: "Nate may have called for the fake but perhaps he had discretion to do so?"  This, is plausible.  As I said earlier, the holder does have the power to call the plays.  Usually, this commands are just to kick the PAT, but perhaps it is possible that prior to the game Tedford told Longshore to go for a fake if he saw a weakness in the defense.  However, this argument falls under theory #2 - that Longshore called out the full-out fake PAT command and not theory #1.  The visual evidene at hand disproves theory #2.  Nevertheless, Ohio Bear does rebuttle nicely with the idea that perhaps the team didn't hear the pre-snap command to fake the PAT.  This is possible.  As of now, Ohio Bear's theory remains plausible either because (1) the PAT team didn't hear the fake PAT command; or (2) [this is my addition] that Longshore called the fake-PAT command and the team, being so used to just kicking the PAT, was caught off guard and didn't execute.

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You be the judge. Do you think Longshore purposely called a fake PAT against Tedford's orders?
Yes
37 votes
No
114 votes

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So, you think Bear Insider is more a more anti-Longshore board than www.Longshoresucksballs.com/board.html? Or even OlsonistandCaliSeth.Berkeley.Edu?

Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Where have Caliseth and Olsonist disappeared to?

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 12:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Prolly www.Longshoresucksballs.com/board.html

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

You forgot Theory # 5

Disappointed with his dwindling (even by Jokeane’s admission) NFL prospects, Nate Longshore decides to stage a live audition for the role of Lucy in “It’s Not the QB’s Fault, Charlie Brown!”

by Rishi on Dec 3, 2008 8:41 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

How does this relate to today's intervention?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 8:43 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Can you please tell me more about Longshore's ball placement?

Kidding, very good and informative post Hydro

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by CBKWit on Dec 3, 2008 9:21 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

This is just Hydro ramping up to his sperm count analysis.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 9:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

If only they’d practiced more dry ball mechanics

Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 3, 2008 12:37 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Your mom works hard to make sure there aren’t any dry balls around.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 1:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

GETMETHATFUCKINGCHART!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

My balls work hard to make sure your mom is never dry

Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 3, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh Snap!

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 2:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Should have waited for the chart on that one.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 2:04 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I got served, for serving someone else.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 2:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Thisplay did confuse me. I looked down for 1 second and when I looked up Longshore was sprawled out on the ground with the ball. Very confusing.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 9:28 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Great Writeup, but you may have forgotten one last factor:

Coaches’ reactions. Does Jeff Tedford strike anyone as the type to have just let Nate off with a “tsk tsk tsk” scold on the sideline had he attempted these shenanigans? Or any other coach on the staff for that matter?

This is the same Tedford who yanked Levy by the facemask on national television. He verbally raped a coach on his staff after they had to burn two timeouts to Washington State in garbage time. Tedford does not F around.

Also, from what I could see, Alamar just had his hands on his hips after the botched attempt with a “Oh Nate! You silly goose!” type of reaction when Longshore ran back to the sidelines.

The fact that Tedford already publicly stated that Longshore might get some snaps during the Washington game is telling enough.

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by bearswithfangs on Dec 3, 2008 9:58 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Exactly

All the evidence is here.: Did Longshore see the field after that so-called “fake”? If the answer is yes (and it is), then there is no way he did this.

Go Bears!

by SoCal Oski on Dec 3, 2008 11:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I did think about the coaches’ reaction, but I didn’t see them. Nor did the television broadcast show the coaches. So I suppose I should have at least said that, but there wasn’t anything to comment on.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 12:39 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

the broad cast showed Tedford kinda scowling, but more in a

crap that was ugly sort of pose then a OMG YOU IDIOT sort of pose.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Dec 3, 2008 3:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ah, thanks. I guess i missed that.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 5:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’ve never heard of any holder EVER going into business for himself on faking a kick. Nate has his drawbacks, but I don’t think there’s any possibility that he is galactically stupid.

Of more concern to me is whether it’s worth paying $75 a pop for club seats at the Emerald Bowl. Or should I just spend the 3 hours getting housed at the bar at MoMo’s?

by VandyImport on Dec 3, 2008 10:11 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

go to the game

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Dec 3, 2008 10:33 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Momo’s is open all day, and the game is at 5pm. I don’t see why it’s an either/or proposition.

I had a good time at the Insight Bowl, which was also played in a baseball stadium against an East Coast opponent that only brought a few hundred fans and didn’t bother bringing a band.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 3, 2008 11:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Go to the game

Do it for poor CAL fans like me, who wish they could go!

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Dec 3, 2008 1:42 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Here is an interesting note. The post on Bear Insider notes

“Unlike the Levy incident, this audible occurred when the Big Game still was on the line”

The score, as noted above, was 30-3. I know that as Cal fans we always think Cal is going to fail no matter what the score. And as Stanford started to come back, much freaking out occurred. But, for the objective observer, 30-3 would probably mean not “on the line.”

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 10:37 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

I plead guilty...

…to not being an “objective observer” and to being someone who was “freaking out” until The Prophet intercepted Pritchard in the 4th Q. True, that perhaps “on the line” is a bit of an overstatement. But this was a 30-3 game with 7:53 left in the 3rd Q, in a rivalry game with a history of bizarre turns of events. The trace of “objective observer” in me says the game was still in doubt at that point.

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Dec 3, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was freaking out, too. And all the younger people around me were so calm. I don’t get them. So calm. I hate them. SO CALM!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OaktownBear disagrees with you Hydro

Or at least the arguments that you made:

I could poke a lot of holes in their arguments on this one. I will comment on 1 – why the tight ends didn’t go out in the pattern. Well, maybe they didn’t want to get their butt chewed when they knew it was going against th play. Or maybe the idea was to block and then go out in the pattern. Also 2 – someone commented on the fact that Longshore would have been benched and not gone back out to hold on kicks. Since he did, the rumor must not be true. Well, first of all, the holder is not something you mess around with midgame if you can help it. Second of all, there was a much bigger punishment to be had – not playing QB. Does anybody remember Robertson’s last Big Game. Tedford not only played him but went against his rule of not running up the score to set up a whole drive for Reggie. Yet, for Longshore, who Tedford had expressed tons of admiration and affection for, he doesn’t go into a game where we are at one point leading by 34 inthe fourth?

by BearsNecessity on Dec 3, 2008 1:06 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

I’m pretty sure OaktownBear (who may or may not be named Mario) disagrees with Hydro, just in gneral. Hydro’s lifetstyle. hydro’s religious beliefs. The whole nine yards.

Now, let’s look at the arguments.

1. The fact that the TEs didn’t go out means that Longshore still could have done it. Ok. Under that logic(k) you can’t disprove that Longshore called for the audible. People acting as if Longshore called an audible means he did. People acting as if Longshore didn’t still means he did. The fact that the OLine blocked accurately aslo means that. And I bet Teveccio running all normal and shit means Longshore did it, too!

2. Longshore went back out again means that Longshore still could have done it. Ok. Again you can’t disprove Longshore calling here. These two arguments in NO way show that Longshore actually called an audible. Just that he could have and everybody else acted like it never happened. Because, perhaps, it never happened.

3. I don’t remember Robertson’s last Big Game. I do know that Riley needs all the reps he can get. This is a difficult analogy to make, because I doubt Aaron Rodgers needed the reps with the offense. But, to put it bluntly, Riley needs the reps.

None of these arguments really hold sway for me, because they don’t really prove that Longshore called an audible. They just start with the assumption that he did and then argue as to why evidence proving he didn’t could be false.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:21 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

bullet points?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 1:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

-The
-Maharg
-Is
-Stupid

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oh, also I’m illiterate. Is there any way you can translate this to audio?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 1:53 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Click this. No need to watch, just listen. It will all make perfect sense.

"After review, it has been determined that the previous play was not reviewable"
The Pac-10: where quality officiating happens.

by Berkelium97 on Dec 3, 2008 7:06 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, it's nice to know OaktownBear thinks I'm throwing out some "very stupid" arguments...

In regards to his first argument:

Sure, perhaps the players didn’t want to go out so they wouldn’t get their butts chewed out. But Longshore would have known this. Longshore isn’t stupid. He knows that if they don’t want to go out, and they don’t go out, and if Longshore fakes the PAT, that it’s going to fail. Additionally, he knows that if the players do something they’re not supposed to they’re going to get chewed out which is exactly why Longshore most likely wouldn’t have done something like that. OaktownBear says getting chewed out is reason for the receivers to not go out, but his argument actually strengthens the argument on why Longshore WOULDN’T do something like this. So in actuality, OaktownBear’s argument, while a valid reason on why the receivers didn’t go out, only strengthens the presumption that Longshore did NOT call a fake-PAT himself.

So while OaktownBear might think his first point pokes a hole in my argument, he’s wrong. It actually strengthens my argument.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 1:23 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

bullet points?

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 1:46 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

OaktownBear needs to watch the play. It’s quite clear that the receivers are going out in reaction to the furd defenders and not because it was a delayed route (block, then go out). You can tell they were just staying in to block by their body language and technique. While this doesn’t necessarily mean that Longshore didn’t call a fake-PAT (as in he only told one or two players), it does kill the theory that Longshore called the full out fake-PAT command.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 1:43 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

can you make this longer? I feel like this is too short to accurately portray the information we want to hear.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 1:47 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dammit, I voted wrong

Now I know what one of those people who accidentally voted for Pat Buchanan in 2000 feels like!

I think Nate purposely called a fake PAT, but I don’t think he did it “against” Tedford’s orders. I respect Hyrdo’s analysis (as always), but this still doesn’t add up to me. The snap wasn’t bad and the ball was down well enough for Tavecchio to kick it. I believed at the time (and still do, to an extent) that Nate called a fake, perhaps after seeing something to exploit in the stanfurd alignment. Maybe the others didn’t hear the call? I give Nate benefit of the doubt and speculate that he has Tedford’s OK to call a fake if he sees something to exploit and is sure it will work. Kind of like in 1991, when our PAT team always lined up in the swinging gate formation and Pawlawski would run a 2-point play if the defense didn’t lineup correctly against it (as I recall, Pawlawski only ran it once — against UOP in the opener against a thoroughly confused PAT unit).

So I should’ve voted “no.” Nate may have called for the fake but perhaps he had discretion to do so?

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by Ohio Bear on Dec 3, 2008 1:55 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

That’s not realy No. Thats more Yes and No. Yes, he did call the fake. But, no, it was with Tedford’s blessing.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 1:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So dammit, I voted wrong twice.

I make me look like an idiot.

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Dec 3, 2008 2:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I want to see more carp-like signatures.

Maharg: He doesn’t know the format for taglines.

by Maharg on Dec 3, 2008 2:03 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

But that is a flaw with Hydro’s poll. There’s no 3rd option, Tedford told Nate to call the fake.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 2:05 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Very possible, but I don’t think Tedford would have done so. He’s NEVER called a fake-PAT attempt merely to run up the score.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 2:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Not to say there isn’t a first time for everything but geez, that really doesn’t seem like something Tedford would do.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 2:45 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Tedford bias! I smell Tedford bias!

FOX Sports will be all over you for your pro-Tedford agenda.

by BearsNecessity on Dec 3, 2008 2:49 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

has he ever called a fake PAT, period?

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 3, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, I don’t think he has.

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by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just more evidence that Longshore DID, in fact, call a rogue fake PAT attempt!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 3, 2008 3:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

What is it about Ohio and voting.

by BearsNecessity on Dec 3, 2008 2:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Clearly, we don’t know what we’re doing here.

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by Ohio Bear on Dec 3, 2008 2:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I haven't read the comments, but

has anyone mentioned that Nate came in to hold the last PAT…. Don’t you think that if Nate had directly disobeyed Tedford, he would have sat out that play?

And I don’t agree with anyone who seems to think it was a good placement, since it was too far inside. In this case, you can’t really recover or adjust because Georgio wouldn’t be able to hit the ball squarely.

...Scuzzlin fo a Jack in Da Box

by Thoroughbred on Dec 3, 2008 2:20 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

WifeisaFurd is claiming that this issue has been circulated on the Bear Insider premium board, which of course I can’t pay to view. Can anyone who’s a premium BI member verify this?

by BearsNecessity on Dec 3, 2008 2:32 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

I added an addendum with more thoughts on the issue. The addendum is at the end of the post.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Dec 3, 2008 2:36 PM PST reply reply <