DBD 12.29.08 On Booing
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 8:53 AM PST
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PrintThere is an incredible amount of rationalization going on here. Although I don't disagree with all of this, some of the comments are pretty bad. You don't have to guess twice as to where the sources are.
"I booed...
Aside from the 74 yarder to Tucker in the 1st quarter....Nate the great had 47 passing yds. the rest of the game. Are you kidding me? A senior quarterback, who supposedly had the best 2 weeks of practice of his career, gave one of the most atrocious performances in recent memory on national TV. Longshore sucked and deserved the booing. Good riddance he's gone."
"Nate is a big boy, a 5th year senior in his twenties, who is getting a free ride to one of the best universities in the world. I'm sure he can handle it."
"get over [the booing]. it happens in every college stadium in this country. let's stop acting like we are so superior to everyone else."
"People pay a lot of money to watch the game, drink a lot, and are bound to express their opinions because of it. Longshore was playing like garbage and I think more people were booing Tedford for leaving him in than booing Lonsghore himself. Even if they were directing their jeers at Longshore, can we stop the false pretense that these are impressionable kids? I'm not a "college kid" anymore but am still younger than Longshore, and people in their late teens and early twenties can deal with a little booing without melting down. A lot of guys in the NFL are younger than Longshore. I don't get why would you be against booing just on the college level. These aren't "kids" in my opinion."
"Longshore ranks right up there in the annals of Ca's terrible QBs (remember Jay Torchio???). Thank God both of them are gone! Hopefully we'll have a reprieve until the next awful QB comes on board.
But one thing's for sure.... the Offensive Coordinator needs to go! How many more games of the run Best, run Best, run Best, do we have to take before Best gets hurt or before the OC can be CANNED!?!!"
"Tedford should go spend some time at Oklahoma to find out how to develop a QB and a passing game. He has by any measure, completely lost it as a "QB guru" and "offensive genius.""
"This isn't DIII or JC football.
JT needs to do as he professes: put the team in a position to win.
Playing NL because of some imagined "moral obligation" is derelict.A bowl game WIN is a great catalyst for next season and recruiting.
Thank GAWD for Zack. Thank GAWD NL actually advanced the ball TWO YARDS for the winning TD (and didn't throw a pick-6 instead).
GO BEARS"
"There are 18 year olds getting shot at in the military and you are complaining about a college QB getting boed? Is that correct?"
"The fans were booing Longshore and the incredibly poor decision to start him in this game. Fans have 2 options to show displeasure. One is boo the choice and the second is to stay away. The fans chose to boo. While I can understand the handwringing around booing a college player lets make no mistake that this is a business and a very big one. JT is paid millions to coach, the players choose to play and get notoriety and praise when things go well. It seems harsh to boo perhaps, well then do not charge what you charge to go to the games and lets pay the coach something more in line with what a coach should earn for coaching football. I love Cal football and am so pleased that they are playing in bowl games etc. Booing is an unfortunate bi product of being a part of a big public business. Nate Longshore got a grand stage to show his wares to prospective NFL suitors and received a great education at the best public university in the nation and 1 of the very best period (public or private). He chose to accept the scholarship and all the benefits it brings. Sorry Nate, but booing goes along with the gig. I understand the paying public wants a way to display displeasure. Booing may be harsh, but the alternative would be to stay away. With money comes scrutiny. Very simple really."
You sound like all those soccer moms who have never played a team sport but act like they know everything abou the game. If you are over 35 years old, you know the booing comes with the territory-no matter what level of play. We have become of society of overpanderers. The fact that they are in college and getting paid (oops, I mean getting a scholarship) gives us as ticket payers, the right to voice our joy or displeasure on the performance. Remember this is entertainment, not REAL LIFE.
Hmm... maybe I was wrong about Longshore not being the most hated cal player ever.
Dump away. Or respond to the angry Cal fans.
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I don't like booing.
I can understand it, but I don’t like it.
Go Bears Go
Seriously tho, I didn’t boo. I think the players know when they make a mistake. I’m also pretty sure Tedford or their position coach will let them know if not.
by CalBandGreat on Dec 29, 2008 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks for doing the DBD, I dont really have time. Can somebody get those links ffrom the official Cal site?
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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Project Runaway marathons are especially trying, I know.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve been going to Cal games for 25 years and will admit – he is the only player I have ever openly booed and disliked. I stopped feeling guilty about it after his newspaper artilce in the CC Times came out where he pretty openly threw Tedford under the bus and complained about playing time.
“I played a total of four games this year. I think I got a fair shake,” he said sarcastically. “Sixteen quarters, that’s nice.”
Longshore admitted the season has put a strain on his relationship with coach Jeff Tedford. He said the two “don’t really talk anymore. It’s much less personal now.”
I’m faily certain most guys would be thrilled for sixteen quarters of college football exposure (not to mention the prior years he played). He just sounds like a huge baby. I may not agree with all of Tedford’s decisions this year but if anyone should show some loyalty to Tedford, I’d think it would be Nate. Tedford has always struck me as a “players coach” and I was disappointed to see Longshore air his complaints to the media.
Also, does anyone know what the deal was with Longshore calling the timeouts and Tedford’s reaction (as well as his teammates reaction). What was the issue there?
People boo at most programs that “matter” and players, fans, etc who complain about booing should keep in mind that it is only a reflection of fans’ passion for the game. Players are big boys…they can handle it.
by ebsportsgirl on Dec 29, 2008 9:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I will agree Longshore has not been a saint in this process. He should recognize why he was demoted to the bench and that just because he has been a great practice QB doesn’t mean he deserves to be on the field. I’m going to have to assume that he has not handled the past year well and that it’s become harder for him to live at Cal with a student body that wishes he was gone and that’s the reason for his churlish behavior.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
I'll agree
that he could have handled his demotion and subsequent role on the team better, but I definitely understand some bitterness at having been the go-to guy who was relegated to benchwarmer by another guy who hasn’t been around as long. There is a lot of emotion on all sides in this whole drama, and its not surprising that some of it creeps into his answers and makes him sound like a bit of a jerk.
"Players are big boys…they can handle it."
I hate this rationalization. You try getting booed by a few thousand people on a bad day and see how you take it. It’s really easy to write off something you don’t have to endure as no big deal.
I know, I get hurt when I get boo’d on here for a bad joke.
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Reason for the time outs
During the 4th and 1 play punt formation… we were going to fake it and go for it. Since it was early in the game, didn’t have a great kicker and was only 1 yard away… Miami correctly guessed it was going to be a fake punt… and called TO.
During the TO, I’m sure Tedford/Alamar made some adjustments to their adjustments… thereby making the players remember a few more things on top of the fake. But as the guys were rushing out, the play clock ran down so Nate HAD to call another time out.
This pissed off Norris either because a punt might then be called… OR yet another adjustment to the fake will be made… either way, we then dispensed with the theatrics and just ran it with Jahvid and he gained 25 yards.
In the end, I don’t blame Nate for that TO, nor do I think Norris was actually pissed off at Nate. Nor do I blame Nate for falling down on the 3 yard line… Norris was the one to step on him.
Do you think Norris WAS actually pissed so he purposely stepped on his foot?
Dun dun dun!
:O
by CaliforniaCMB on Dec 29, 2008 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
it's amazing how much he has regressed as a player
in the last 1.5 seasons… or maybe the talent around him really masked all his weaknesses for the first 1.5 seasons… I dunno.
Hopefully the QB position will be a lot more stable next season than it was this year…
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...
by Hey Bowles Hall! on Dec 29, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions
it's a team game.
the offense especially is only as good as the weakest player.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 29, 2008 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Cal beats Portland in MBB 81-61
I was at the game. We were dominating on the three point shooting all game.
Max Zhang was the most exciting thing on the court last night.
by CaliforniaBone on Dec 29, 2008 10:10 AM PST reply actions
true, making a few blocks in garbage time doesn’t make him our best player. personally, i’m really impressed with how far jerome randle has progressed since last season. monty has turned him into the sort of pac-10-caliber point guard we haven’t had in a long time.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Yeah. I initially typed “amazing” but that would imply that he actually did something important. But when you are able to send the crowd into a frenzy for just catching the ball and holding it, that’s gotta count for something.
One of my favorite plays of the night was Randle driving fast down the middle, covered by three defenders, faking a layup into a pass outside to Boykin(?) for a three.
Anyone going to the womens game tonight?
by CaliforniaBone on Dec 29, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, i think the most important difference with this team vs. the last few years is that even when the game or opponent isn’t that interesting in and of itself (the Bears were firmly in control throughout), the Bears are still fun to watch. if you haven’t yet been out to haas yet this year, you should come on out this week (Friday night vs. Arizona, Sunday vs. Arizona State).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
i don't like booing
your own team under any circumstances. it’s not really a matter of whether the players can handle it or not; i just feel like it’s classless. I really disliked it even at Giants games last year, despite Barry Zito’s obvious, massive suck. Clearly, you don’t have to like everything a team or player does, but I don’t feel like booing is the best way to deal with your displeasure.
I actually did try to get people around me to shut up by informing them that “Riley is hurt, retards!” But, I don’t feel like they believed me…
i pretty much agree with you entirely
i can only really recall two instances of booing my own players/team:
1) Pretty much every time Jason Giambi came back to Oakland as a Yankee
2) When Matt Barnes elbowed Shantay Legans in the face and was immediately ejected
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
yeah
I think I * might* have booed Manny Ramirez last season if I were a Red Sox fan, because he was actively trying to hurt the team to force a trade. Thats the only time I think you are justified in booing one of your own guys: when he is trying to hurt your team.
Meh. All this Manny drama was nonsense. He did it every year he was there. I don’t like the Red Sox, but booing Manny isn’t justified, especially if your team won titles with him bringing the power. Although Red Sox fans booing Manny would totally be in character for them.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Neither of those are examples of times when you booed your own guys? Were you a secret UCLA fan that we didn’t know about or something?
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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nope, neither were. i don’t boo players a lot, and i’ve never booed my own players. i respect good players on whatever team. i will boo assholes, however.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I was there, didn't boo, didn't care one way or the other about anyone else booing...
I don’t think people would’ve booed as much if they had known that Riley was injured. The booing came from thinking that there was a better option available.
I don’t boo the players at college games, because they are just kids. The refs, now that’s fair game (and I did boo the refs at all games this season, including the Emerald Bowl).
There's no crying in baseball!
by gigglingone on Dec 29, 2008 11:43 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Booing refs is a time-honoured tradition
Don’t ever try and take away from it.
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Wow. Some of those comments are reasonable. Some are just … wow. And that right there is why I don’t go to that place. There’s just so much hatred, so many people there are insatiable, and it seems like every coach needs to be fired for minute reasons.
I find it ironic that somebody was actually complaining that Cignetti was running the ball too much. Really? Most of the time I hear people complaining about how Best isn’t getting enough carries. I don’t think that poster realized that the alternative to Best not getting more carries is passing the ball… which would mean the beloved Longshore would be throwing the ball.
I also find it funny how so many of those posters seem to think that Tedford was wrong to play Longshore. It seems apparent that most of those posters didn’t know Riley was injured and thus it was fairly unlikely he was going to play. But even if Riley wasn’t injured, they make it sound like he would surely be the better option. I’m not sure if that’s necessarily true. We’ll never know. But the person most qualified to make that decision is Tedford. He’s the one who sees the guys in the film room, in practices, etc. We, the fans, don’t. So I find it kind of funny how so many of the comments are filled with the blind (or perhaps ignorant) confidence that Riley would definitely have been the better option and that was a known fact. A fact which Tedford was ignoring. As if Tedford was playing favorites or something – which doesn’t appear to be the case since (i) Riley was injured and (ii) Longshore and Tedford don’t really have a relationship any more. One commenter even suggested that Tedford needs to “put the team in a position to win.” Wow… like Tedford isn’t trying to win games? He’s just fuckin around out there and doing things for shits and giggles because he doesn’t care about winning? Yeah… right. And Tedford is supposed to be the crazy one???
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The frustration with these posters stems from why “Tedford the QB guru” has not only seen his quarterbacks play mediocre, but they’ve shown no signs of improvement from the opening bell. You could even argue (with a great deal of credibility) that all the shuffling has made these QBs WORSE. Neither Longshore nor Riley looked very good in the last five games.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
man, whatever
Longshore’s gone, everyone please STFU.
But please remember to wipe your shoes before stepping onboard the Brock Mansion Party Yacht next year.
From Michael Silver’s latest column:
"I made sure to get 10 pts… Older I get, the easier it gets."
– Email Sunday morning from Cardinals halfback and Miami alum Edgerrin James, who despite the ‘Canes’ 24-17 defeat to Cal in the Emerald Bowl managed to win a friendly wager from teammate J.J. Arrington.
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
While I personally don’t approve of booing under any circumstances (what could it possibly accomplish?), it’s a hell of a lot more annoying when it’s the drunk fair-weather fans who can’t name a single player on the team besides Best and Riley, and who yell and boo on basically any offensive play that isn’t a touchdown.
It’s one thing to be frustrated when there’s a legitimate fuck-up, but I get the sense that a lot of the booing is coming from people who’ve read somewhere that “Longshore sux” and take every incompletion as conclusive evidence of that.
I outworthless the Maharg.
I met a girl once at a party who, when I mentioned Cal football, starting whining about Longshore. I responded “before you criticize Cal football anymore, name me TWO (2) of our current wide receivers.”
She could not, so I said “there we go!”
She got mad.
I’m not sure what the point of this story was, but your mother’s a whore.
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Ahahaha. I’ve heard a story where Cal players were at some postgame party (or something of the like) and some sorority chick was complaining to some dude about how Joe Ayoob was the WORST QB EVAR, HUR HUR HUR. Turns out the dude she was talking to was Joe Ayoob.
A beer was promptly poored down her shirt.
I think the moral of this story is: know what the players look like before you start complaining about them to people you don’t know!
by BleedinBlue on Dec 29, 2008 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
See, now that’s a party I would have loved to be at.
Joe Ayoob is quite dreamy though, so I can imagine a chick hitting on him without knowing he’s a QB.
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You have this (Longshore torn out) blown up and stuck on the ceiling above your bed, don’t you!? XD
by BleedinBlue on Dec 29, 2008 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
No, the space above my bed is reserved for this dreamboat: http://ebonybird.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bollers-night-out.jpg
(Girl cut out).
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W...T...F...
Stop it right there. Will somebody clear this up for me?
We’re not allowed to post NSFW pictures of girls here because our co-workers would get the wrong idea, right?…. But I see homo-erotic photos posted on this thread all the time.
TRUST ME… these photos are just as bad, if not much worse for year end performance reviews.
Does the NSFW rule only apply to girl pics?
by danzig on Dec 29, 2008 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hrm, my bad. I’ve seen it on here before and didn’t think much of it when I slapped it on there.
Bah, too bad there’s no edit button. Regardless of what’s decided, I’ll stick stuff like this under a NSFW link next time. Sorry guys.
i could delete the whole sub-thread. would that make people happy?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
No, it doesn’t bother me… in fact, I’m not working today cuz I just got back home from the airport. I just want to see more pictures of flag girls to balance out the nude Nate pics.
Dude, that photo is HILARIOUS! Its being posted for its comedy, not its salaciousness.
Why would you want to deny the world hilarity?
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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I think the point is that the co-workers looking at our computer screens don’t get the joke like we do.
Doesn’t that make it funnier?
“hey danzig… you have something you want to tell me?”
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You should have asked her that AFTER you got in her pants, duh!
by CaliforniaCMB on Dec 29, 2008 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
like yellow fever alluded to, i think the moral of the story here is that neither cal fans nor nate will have to worry about any of this anymore. he’s gone, and for better or worse that’s all that matters. and with his leave, we should also probably just drop the whole booing topic and hope to high hell that next year either brock or kevin (or beau?) will separate themselves enough to get a firm hold on the starting spot.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
amen, brother
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Dec 29, 2008 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
On booing
To be frank, booing throws added pressure on players who are already under the scrutiny of tens of thousands of fans.
Something I learned from Psych 160 at Cal (which Longshore happened to be in! He only showed up for the midterms and finals!): individuals performing tasks perform poorly when placed under supervision.
People cite how they’re booing the coaches, but really, how’re the players going to know, especially when they players are the ones who can screw up on the field? Booing’s counterproductive. Sure, great players can ignore it, but it’s hard to find a team completely stocked with those. Booing is just going to make players focus more on not effing up and that’s precisely when people start effing up the most.
Now, booing refs that screw up calls? ALL FOR IT. I like waiting for the replay first to make sure I’m not being a total asshat, though.
It wasn’t just the fact that people were booing Longshore, though. It was that as much as this was hyped as a home game for Cal with a home field advantage, the crowd was only loud (excepting the last five minutes or so) when they were booing Longshore. That’s just ridiculous, to go through an entire game and only make yourself heard to boo a player, rather than, at the very least, make a little noise when your team’s on defense. With that many people, a little noise is all that’s needed.
go nc state!
who in the freaking fak schedules a bowl game mid day on a Monday. really unbelievable.
Dude, teams that combine to win 11 straight games – it’ll be fun.
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if i were Papa John – i would be pissed. we need to remember to look up the ratings. i’d be watching this game if it wasn’t during work. WTF.
Yeah, I’m tempted to take one of the TVs running CSPAN and change it to ESPN.
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I did.
Then my boss asked why I’m not working, so now I’m back here :(
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I see.
now he’s forcing you to watch on ESPN360. what a bastard.
ESPN 360 is blocked. :(
Time run a ninja op and change the channel while no one notices.
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Okay, Operation ESPN was a success. I snuck into a broker’s office and put on ESPN. I can see the game out of my periphery.
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Okay, the broker just came back in and went back into his office.
I think he’s noticed that there’s football on the tv.
Stay tuned.
OMG PICKED OFF BY RUTGERS OMGOMGOMG
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Okay, he’s talking on the phone and looking relaxed.
Wait, no, he just put the phone down and looked at the tv again. Will he reach for the remote? Should I say something?
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you could throw out the...
…my cousin’s playing in this game. it’s risky, but could work.
Okay, he doesn’t care that football is on. And I can see the top half of the tv from my periphery. This is good.
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rutgers seems to have the momentum. this would not be good for my pickem. i need bearsnecessity to lose this one!
The bowl pick ’em page is blocked at work. Where am I?
I think my pickset is “awesome”
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you are 11th
with 124 points and 581 possible points. you picked the scarlet knights for 8 points
Okay good.
I’m playing for broke in that pool.
Damn, Rutgers has worse kickoff coverage than we do.
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you still have a good shot at the thing. you have a lot of possible points compared to others. this game is proving to be an exciting one. good thing they put it on the MIDDLE OF THE DAY ON MONDAY
brb, time to get up from my desk and blatantly watch the game.
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I don’t like booing, but kinda understand that people were calling for Riley. My personal frustration is that Riley never did anything to lose the job in the first place. But I didn’t boo or chant for Riley or anything.
If Riley was hurt, it was Tedford’s responsibility to inform fans of that to protect Longshore. If Tedford had said that Riley was injured, no one would have booed.
The booing is at Tedford not at Longshore. Coaching clinics and sports psychologists will be studying this one for years about how to not handle a QB situation.
Why didn’t Tedford play Brock Mansion?!
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by Rishi on Dec 29, 2008 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
true, but...
Tedford also has a responsibility to win football games, and I think that trumps whatever responsibility he has to inform the fans. I think keeping any injury to a potentially active player (if, for example, Riley was hurt but able to play if needed) under wraps far outweigh the consternations of (deliberately) underinformed fans. What if Riley was injured, but had to play, and Miami knew about the injury and sent linebackers blitzing to try and further immobilize him?
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
OK, but expect booing - and smile when it happens
You warn your players what the fans think is obvious beforehand, and then you have to laugh about it in the press conference afterwards, explain the injury story, and tell your booing fans how much sympathy you have for them and how glad you are they care so much to come out and want great QB play.
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah - why not give Brock some time...
First off – the AT&T park is interesting as a football venue, but I think the Emerald Bowl blew it, and I was not impressed. We could sure use their Jumbotron at Memorial, though!!
Fine, fine, I accept most of Hydro’s arguments about Nate starting and all, and that’s fine. But I have a lot of sympathy for frustrated fans, and all the side comments I heard from boo-birds were making it clear that they were angry at Tedford. I’ve totally gotten over any personal feelings against Nate – I just know his abilities are limited.
Longshore really has gotten worse as a QB, though. It’s kinda sad. I wish him well along with everyone decent, but I wouldn’t put him on my NFL scout team. I don’t think he runs an offense well, and he just doesn’t seem to see much of the field. Add in lower than average mobility, and what’s the deal?
I also have sympathy with Tedford, who I love, and also criticize very regularly. Coach is a hard job. Very hard. But we pay him a TON of money, so I’m going to go ahead and criticize using a very high bar. I have sympathy for him, and I want him to do even better. I do not want him replaced.
Credit first – almost NO penalties on us. Good job. Calling timeouts on first down after a stoppage is sad. Bad coaching. We should execute on a higher level, and bring more innovation with play calling. Tedford is too conservative in many respects. He’s trying to beat Pete Carroll at Pete Carroll’s game, which is a fairly noble pursuit, but I think he should think more outside the box to get our team to the next level.
I find it too easy to call out whether Cal is going to Run or Pass, and if we’re going to run inside or outside. As a poser-armchair-QB/defensive coach, my guesses are way too good. More variation from the same line-up, please. More play-action please. Stop running Jahvid Best up the middle – use the FB for that 1/2 the time – create more problems for the defense. “Establishing the run” is what I would call our offense, and it isn’t versatile enough to win the Pac-10.
Conservatism is common among college coaches – like punting from the opponent’s 45-yard line on 4th and 3. It’s ‘by the book’ even if it’s not worth it. We should have gone for it twice more in that game – and that time we did I think was ONLY b/c Miami called that timeout.
OK, if coaches just went maverick and tried all kinds of crazy s*it they’d lose a lot of games that were easily won with a more conservative plan. But when you’re outmatched, or behind, you have to take more chances – losing by 21 is not better than losing by 10. My main criticism is not being flexible as game conditions demand – you have to react more to the clock and the score and the realities of what’s happening – not what you wrote up as ‘the way we like to win’ (establish the run, control the game with long drives – bend but don’t break on defense, get an early lead – don’t turn the ball over – duh – that’s nice but it doesn’t always happen in the first half!).
Tedford is supposed to have a huge playbook – we saw very little of it the last 2 years.
To close: people earn the right to boo when they buy their ticket. Yes, booing can have unintended negative effects, but I wouldn’t react to strongly to it. They do sell alcohol in that stadium you know – how polite and ‘smart’ do you expect all those people to be?
They aren’t to clap when they watch another failed Cal drive. Someone please go look up the stats – how many sustained offensive drives has Cal had in the last 4 years? It’s our biggest weakness, and fans always enjoy good offense the most.
P.S. What happened to Bryan Anger in that game? I love him so much but he didn’t work any magic…
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 2:10 PM PST reply actions
You lost me at “venue”.
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by Rishi on Dec 29, 2008 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
good point - I rec'ed u.
It’s not so much for anyone to read as for me to just get off my chest.
CGB – “your own personal Cal Football therapy sessions”. What’s said on CGB I don’t have lecture my ‘friends’ with. :-)
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with many of these points... but still...
I believe Cal fans should never… ever… boo. There’s a huge difference between wanting to boo… and actually doing it.
Trust me, I wasn’t at the game, but I wanted to boo… I was booing in my head… I was cursing the gods… even my dad told me, “your offense stinks”… MY FRICKN DAD TOLD ME THAT CRAP! Do you realize how that feels?
But did I boo.. or would I be booing…?? Of course not. For these reasons:
1) Completely counter-productive. It really hurts recruiting… I wouldn’t want to play for fans that booed me… why would top recruits tolerate that? It only makes your team worse.
2) Most coaches don’t want to seem weak by pandering to the crowd so they’re more likely to do the opposite of what you’re booing him for.
3) It’s distracting to the players… they even walk over to the crowd to shush them… and it certainly would break my concentration as a player… you’re team will most likely play worse.
Nate’s Performance
That being said, Nate doesn’t deserve anybody’s sympathy anymore. “But hey, he got us the win right?”… Um, no… he didn’t win that for us… he didn’t even ‘keep us from losing’… he almost gave that game away… our defense, Jahvid/Will/Shane and Zack ‘got us the win.’ Zack prevented Nate from giving it away. More on Ciganetti later.
I count that 70+ yard throw as Nate’s touchdown (if that was RJ or DJ, that would be a TD)… that was great. However the Miller TD was NOT Nate’s TD. He didn’t drive us 60-80yards down the field to get it to the three yard line when we needed it… Our defense did that. Just look at the time of possession stats… they had the ball 8 MINS more than us during a game when we had 100 more rushing yards. WTF?
I think he’s used up his goodwill, because that performance was awful…. truly awful. I can easily prove how that was the WORST performance of his career, but I don’t want to bore you… yes it was worse than WashSt07.
Even after all that, I still wouldn’t boo… I wouldn’t stab myself either… because it amounts to the same thing.
Anyway, I’m glad that’s over…whew… oh wait.
by danzig on Dec 29, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Shouldn't != we can teach them to do it
You’re right, they shouldn’t boo. But when you’ve had a couple beers, payed $55 for ‘priority’ donor seats 30 yards up behind the left corner of the end zone, and some jerk 2 sections away starts to boo a HORRIBLE pass by Longshore, and then another 100 people join him – you might…just…have a hard time restraining yourself.
You wouldn’t be RIGHT or helping your team or anything – you’d just be human.
I’m just sayin’ – I wouldn’t make much of it. Large crowd behavior, with alcohol, is rarely the pinnacle of human civilization…lest ye be judged and all that. And I rag on the crowd every damned game b/c they won’t make noise except for the most important times – and I scream my head off every freakin’ down we’re on defense. (I was the short guy with the bright yellow jacket in Section 110 – struggling to get people to yell on 3rd down).
But they paid, they showed up, they endured many a painful loss, they bleed Blue& Gold, and sometimes they’re weak and they boo…I forgive them.
I hope they buy season tickets next year, too, and a full stadium is very good for recruiting – would you like half-empty stands of die-hards only, who never boo, or a full stadium that sometimes, partially, behaves badly?
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes youre right, I want a full stadium even with booing fans… however it doesn’t mean fans can’t learn or be taught.
All of us are still learning how to handle being perennial Pac10 contenders and being nationally ranked… all this is pretty new for us. But our fans can learn to start contributing to that sustainability.
After seeing all the booing that went on at Neyland Stadium (TENN) this year, I can see that even the best fans have their limits.
On the other hand, we can learn alot from Wisconsin and Nebraska fans… they’re pretty cool even in lean years… and the fans even help with recruiting by showing visiting recruits tons of love.
I’d like to see our fans get to that level.
Plus I remember laughing my ass off when UCLA fans booed everything Dorrell did… I’m sure our enemies are now laughing at us in the same way.
Agreed - let's work towards the Nebraska fan model, NOT the UCLA fan model
But thank you – Tennessee kind of makes my point. How tough a venue is Neyland? Very effective fans…and they were brought to booing, too.
We have less to complain about, and should be happy about being contenders. I think so many of us never dreamed of the Rose Bowl, and now it’s almost within our grasp, and we go nutso when anything seems to pull it away. In years when it’s obvious we don’t even have the potential to go BCS, it’s easier to roll with our foibles. It’s harder when they’re a lot of good players here, and good coaches, and USC and Oregon St. and Arizona all seem beatable…
Patience – I must learn patience. We went 9-4 this season. Let’s up that by 0.5 wins/year, and in 8 years we’ll be undefeated national champions. Discuss an 0.5 win.
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
You’ve got to be kidding about Nebraska. They have some of the most pompous and overzealous fans west of the Missisippi.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
But they don’t give up on their team, even during hte Calahan era.
I have no new information on that at this time.
OK - not EXACTLY a Nebraska fan
But the kind of fan who would drive 75 miles for every home game no matter what – no matter how good/bad the team was, the coach was, etc., and will sell out that stadium, and make everyone and every player know they LOVE that team and they’re there for them.
Truly Devoted™ fans. I had some friends who were Nebraska fans in grad school, and they had their flaws, but they were behind their team even if it was losing.
I think that considering our population density, we should be able to sell out Memorial every home game forever. Tickets should be incredibly hard to get.
Stand the whole game, stay to the end, and start yelling while they're still in the huddle. GO BEARS
by JerrottWillard45 on Dec 29, 2008 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well, they’re in Nebraska. What else is there to do in Nebraska?
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Apple Slinging? Tree climbing? Potato slinging? Cow tipping?
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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Dude, you clearly have not been to see a game in Lincoln
Truly some of the most cordial fans you’ll ever meet.
by 33SwisherSweet on Dec 29, 2008 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Of course I'm not kidding
Any team would be lucky and grateful to have fans like Nebraska’s.
Come to think of it.. TexasAM and PennSt too. They’re coordinated, educated and take pride in making a difference during a game…. aka ‘12 man,’ ‘White Out’ etc..
I was making a similar post above.
1. Booing isn’t being supportive, it is degrading.
2. Just because you’re a fan, and you paid money, doesn’t mean jack squat. It’s not your stadium.
3. Fans might be passionate, but when has passion ever been a reasonable rational for anything? (Sorry your honor, i did it in the heat of the moment.)
4. In the atmosphere of the stadium, it can be really hard to know the story (I submit Riley’s injury as Exhibit A).
5. You can ruin the experience of other people around you too.
6. Yeah, they are young men, but they are also putting a lot out there and are trying their best. Leave the pep talks to the coaches. Your booing just might be counter-productive to what’s been said in the locker room.
7. Pac-10 refs are fair game.
8. It’s really distracting to the players on the field.
9. If you were a recruit at a game, how would you like to see the fan base of your prospecting team boo? It might have been enough for me not to want to go.
It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"
Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.
by JShufelt on Dec 30, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
LA schools having a shouting match
Looks like someone lost their chance at a defensive coordinator job. >.>
I’m trying up the number of link dumps in this DBD. And lessen the pointless posts about Longshore/Riley.
Help me out guys. I’m not used to rummaging the internets.
by CaliforniaBone on Dec 29, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
OK
Mark Brazinski has a flare for the extravagant, so don’t be surprised to see an interesting hat ceremony take place when he announces his decision at the Under Armour game this week. We talked to him for the last time before he leaves for the game on Sunday to get a feel for where he’s at.
Nice pickup!
I like the sound of “strong commitment to academics”.
by CaliforniaBone on Dec 29, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Good prediction
Brazinski has given absolutely no hints as to where he’ll play at the next level, however it wouldn’t be a surprise at all to see him go to Penn given his strong focus on academics. In fact, that would be the prediction at this point.
If by Penn, you mean Cal
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
All the players today love Haas
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
he's the #1 ranked center, at least according to scout?
did i read that right?
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
yup, and 4-star by Rivals… Cal came into the picture late as always
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t be suprised if we get 6’8 Charles Ragland too.., sleeper who has only played 1 year at LT and pwned (was a basketball player until Jr. year)
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
man, if we can land at least either carroll or kennard, along with the guys you mentioned above, this could very well be one of our best recruiting classes in a while.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
it will be the best since 2005
possibly even better
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
It should be better than 2005. We would replenish losses at EVERY position and augment strength in the others. The 2005 class left us a little thin on the D-line, plus gave us the Joe Ayoob experiment for one season.
(Of course this assumes either Carroll and Kennard both sign, very unlikely).
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
IDK
Class with felder, follett, tha1, lavelle hawkins, dez bishop, cam morrah, syd’quan, alualu, ezeff, b johnson, eddie young… hardly no busts besides ayoob… I’d withhold judgment on any class at any school over Cal 2005
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
==hardly any
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Group of gangbusters, yes. But I’m talking about teamwise it fills needs three to four years down the road. Tedford and his group are thinking long-term with this class. Very impressed.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
we’d want to get away from JUCO guys for long term… but with a lot of the commits we’re projecting, yes… i hope we get the two WRs from USC though.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
But I think these recruits can make impacts immediately to the great team we have going now which would be a-freaking-mazing!
Get’em both!
by CaliforniaCMB on Dec 29, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions
I feel sorry for NC State. I feel like this would’ve been a blowout if Russell Wilson was still QBing.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
at the end of the 1st half
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
eh, the ball just hit off his foot wrong
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah Northwestern is going to win this game. Missouri looks terrible.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
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One of the safeties is supposed to be a 1st round pick
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions
The team who drafts him is going to be awfully disappointed.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Chase Daniel is really not doing himself any favors either… They were trying to compare him to Drew Brees earlier… LAUGHS.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Must’ve been a mistake. They must’ve meant Drew Weatherford.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously
Chase Daniel is trying to one up Nate Longshore for Bowl Game Most Non-Valuable Player.
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
His mom is a MILF
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
in her younger mother days
You ain't got it like Marshawn got it
by Thoroughbred on Dec 29, 2008 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hilarious how many shots they’ve shown of them. It’s like that Sterger chick without the Musberger drool.
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
And the game goes into OT
Gotta say, I’m kind of rooting for Northwestern here.
Gotta root for a coach who gained his values from Gary Barnett. Northwestern sexism and misogyny, YEEHAW!
by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
In Gary’s defense, she really was a terrible kicker.
I have no new information on that at this time.
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by BearsNecessity on Dec 29, 2008 10:49 PM PST up reply actions
That was more or less Barnett’s defense, too: “Yeah, sure, she was raped, but she SUCKED at kicking!!”
Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 30, 2008 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
Gary Barnett was blatantly accused of sexism for basically not giving her the starting kicking job.
He’s guilty for trying to cover up the sexual harassment charges or, at the very least, not even taking them seriously, but just because he ousted her from the team because she sucked at kicking does not make him a sexist.
I have no new information on that at this time.
LOL
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 30, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
I have to say...
… my rooting for N’western has more to do with the fact that I’ve grown tired of hearing of the “power conference” talk more than anything else. Being a relatively new fan to college football, I didn’t know much about Northwestern’s previous HC history.
I'm not sure
I didn’t really think so … not with the tOSU’s recent string of clunkers anyway.
Remember analogies from the SAT days?
Jeremy Maclin:Chase Daniel ::: Jahvid Best:???
I have no new information on that at this time.
I’d say that that analogy is trying to say that the first object makes the second look a lot better, so maybe Mack? Or anyone else on the offensive line.
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Dec 30, 2008 5:30 AM PST up reply actions
man, actually, that would be fun
We could do a bunch of these for polls.
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Dec 30, 2008 5:30 AM PST up reply actions
So, kinda Cal related. There’s a Mid-East protest going on blocking Montgomery/MIssion. I’m glad I wasn’t driving, the area was messed up. So who walks by in front of me? Our favorite guy ZRW. I didn’t say anything but two possibilities crossed my mind: “RW, where are the trees this time?” or “Hey, is that Ayr over there getting all the media attention?”
I’m sure there is better, but that was my quick reaction.
I think waving a big Cal flag and saying something sports-fan-y like “YOU GOTTA LOVE SPORTS!!!!” would have done the trick.
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In Spite of Twist!
by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 30, 2008 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, my room partner went pick us up CPK and he got stuck in traffic for forty-five minutes.
I’m not quite sure I understand how protesting to the point of blocking traffic and preventing people from continuing on with their lives is really going to endear them to your cause. It’s the same with those damn “Critical Mass” people. Pissing an ordinary, apathetic man off will not bring him over to your side. Yeah, yeah, make a statement, gather in numbers, make your voice heard, but blocking streets and trying to force your opinions down people’s throats? Sorry, but you just lost more supporters than you made.
I have no new information on that at this time.
No time to do DBD today. If somebody can grab it, be my guest.
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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Hmm.....
So basically judging by the poll above, 50% of the people either wanted to boo Longshore or couldn’t care less. Longshore strikes me as an ungratefully arrogant SOB! Especially after the piece in the CC Times. I am so happy he is done. Good luck on your mission in the poverty stricken streets of Peru you SOB Mother F’er!
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On booing
I happily booed from my arm chair from across the country. BUT – Cal fans need to be aware when recruits are at the game. I would imagine that booing could backfire there and be a HUGE turnoff to prize recruits.
The only booing that I can condone is toward the refs—-especially when the jumbotron shows tens of thousands of people exactly what you didn’t call.
There is no good reason to boo your own team. It doesn’t matter how much you paid. Would you like it if someone came down to your classroom and started heckling you when you missed a question on your final? Do you boo your friends when they genuinely tried at something but couldn’t quite make it? Treat these people like human beings instead of puppets that are supposed to dance for your amusement.
There was someone in the student section (on the aisle between sections A and B) who, when people attempted to shut him up for booing, started booing louder and saying:
“BOOOOO FREE SPEECH BOOOOOO FREE SPEECH”
over and over again. Sure, you can say what you want, but it doesn’t make you any less of an asshole. The girl standing next to him (possible girlfriend) looked really, really uncomfortable and ashamed.
It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.
by thenick on Jan 1, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't boo the players
But I did boo the refs… LOUDLY.
I also tried to make people shut the fuck up when they booed
In other words, Go Bears!
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