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Pac-10 Bowl Tie-Ins Roundtable

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TwistNHook:  Much has been made about the rather poor Pac-10 Bowl Tie-Ins.  Unlike the West Coast's long history of Sit-Ins, Be-Ins, or even Maharg-Ins, our Bowl Tie-Ins leave much to be desired.  Most blame outgoing Pac-10 commish Tom Hansen, located in beautiful Walnut Creek, CA.

But, ultimately, I believe there is only so much he can do.  It's true that his job performance has been poor on this issue, but I believe geography is more to blame.  There are essentially 3 tiers to the bowl system.  The first tier, BCS Bowls.  The second tier, non-BCS January 1st Bowls.  And then all other bowls.  The Pac-10's true problem is that they have nobody in the 2nd tier.  And only USC really stands a chance at this point to get in as an at-large bid to the BCS.  So, if Cal doesn't get into the Rose Bowl (which hasn't happened since Moses freed the slaves), then they don't get to play in a prestigious bowl.  Now, why is that?

Star-divide

Yellow Fever:  Well, Twist, let's take a look at the 2nd tier bowls:

Outback
South Carolina vs. Iowa
Tampa, Fla.
Raymond James Stadium
Jan. 1, 2009, 11 a.m. ESPN
Capital One
Georgia vs. Michigan State
Orlando, Fla.
Florida Citrus Bowl
Jan. 1, 2009, 1 p.m. ABC
Konica Minolta Gator
Nebraska vs. Clemson
Jacksonville, Fla.
Jacksonville Municipal Stadium
Jan. 1, 2009, 1 p.m. CBS
Rose Bowl Game Presented by Citi
Penn State vs. USC
Pasadena, Calif.
Rose Bowl
Jan. 1, 2009, 4:30 p.m. ABC
FedEx Orange
Cincinnati vs. Virginia Tech
Miami
Dolphin Stadium
Jan. 1, 2009, 8:30 p.m. FOX
AT&T Cotton
Ole Miss vs. Texas Tech
Dallas
Cotton Bowl
Jan. 2, 2009, 2 p.m. FOX

 
Let's include Cotton, because it is prestigious, even if its on 1.2.  So, it boils down to Outback, Capital One, Gator, and Cotton.  3 of which are in Florida.  The other is in Dallas.  Now, did you watch the Citrus Bowl videos from 1991 that RoyRules22 found?  Part one can be found here;  

CBKWit:  Announcer Brent Musberger notes that Clemson brought 20,000 fans to this Florida-based bowl.  Cal brought 7,000.  Now, the numbers might be slightly higher these days, but the disparity is still going to be strong.  And let's not forget that the BCS, the Bowls, they all exist for one reason and one reason only.  Money.  Moolah.  Smackeroos.  Dingdongs.  Plaxibucks.  Schrutetasms.  This article illustrates it perfectly

HydroTech: Why should a Gator Bowl or a Cotton Bowl take a risk on a far away team when they have much closer teams (and, more importantly, fans) to choose.  That's how we get inequities like Michigan State, Georgia, South Carolina, and Iowa playing in more prestigious bowls than teams that are, more likely better than them.  Teams like Oregon, Oregon State, and Cal.

Ragnarok:  I think Cal fans should stop obsessing about January 1st bowls.  Yes, the Rose Bowl is (almost) always held on that date, and New Year's Day has long been the traditional home of top-tier bowls, but that's changing.  In addition to the Championship Game being held a week later, the Fiesta, Sugar, and Cotton Bowls are all held after the 1st, as are (strangely) several minor bowls.  (Do you think there's any extra prestige for the International Bowl, featuring Buffalo vs. Connecticut playing in Toronto, because it's played on January 3rd?)

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And really, what's so great about the Outback or Capitol One Bowls, anyway?  They don't even have real names, just corporate sponsors, and as great as Tampa or Orlando must seem to fans vacationing from Iowa in the dead of winter, I'd rather be in San Diego or Las Vegas, personally.  And the matchups?  Georgia-Michigan State is OK, but not fantastic, and South Carolina-Iowa is the kind of bowl game that encourages me to party it up the night before, knowing I have no reason to wake up early the next morning.  In fact, not only would I posit that Oregon-Oklahoma State is a better matchup than any on Jan. 1 outside of the Rose Bowl, but that San Diego's second game (the Poinsettia) features a better matchup (Boise State-TCU) than any of those games.  Sure, the payout may be lower now, but if the West Coast keeps producing matchups like this, TV dollars will keep rising (and payouts along with them) in future years.

TwistNHook:  Thanks to Rishi, we have the link to Bowl Game ratings over the last 6 years 

Looking through the numbers, I amalgamated the numbers for some of the non-BCS major bowls.  Feel free to check my math, math was never my strong suit.  Regarding what the numbers mean, the link has this paragraph of explanation:

Following are the national household ratings for 28 college football bowl games in 2002-03. There are 105,444,000, or 98.2 percent, of all U.S. households with television sets. The ratings indicate the percentage of television households tuned in to that particular game.

Thus, a 17.2 rating for the Fiesta Bowl indicates that 17.2 percent of all television sets (or 18,168,000 households) were tuned to the game. This compares to an average rating of 8.8 (or 9,279,070 households) for a prime-time program on one of the broadcast networks.

So, here are my results:

1.  Capital One Bowl:  6.59

2.  Peach Bowl:  4.69

3.  Alamo Bowl:  4.48

4.  Holiday Bowl - 4.43

5.   Gator Bowl - 4.13

6.  Outback Bowl - 3.77

7.  Cotton Bowl - 3.7

So, if my math is accurate, it looks like the HBowl, the #2 Pac-10, ain't half bad.  Certainly better than the other 1.1 option, the Cotton Bowl.  Much more so!  Is that surprising to anybody else?

HydroTech:  I'm incredibly surprised by this.

TwistNHook:  Ya, you are also surprised by a snake popping out of a bottle of nuts, so these things even out.
Ragnarok:  I actually wrote about this two years ago.  I'm the true trend setter.  Back then,  I had this to say:
The Pac-10 is the only major conference on the West Coast.  Sure, we’d love to play in major bowls in Southern California and Arizona, but getting major East Coast teams to travel out here is difficult.  The ACC or SEC runner up isn’t going to come to San Diego, and I don’t see the Big XII abandoning the Cotton Bowl anytime soon.  Besides, the Holiday Bowl will never be a New Year’s Day Bowl.  Any game on January 1st has to be over before the Rose Bowl starts if you want anyone to pay attention to you, and that would mean a 10am start.  Nobody wants to go to a football game at 10am.  I think New Year’s Eve is the best one could hope for here.

So, the Pac-10’s bowl tie-ins may not be great, certainly not as good as those of the SEC and Big 10, but I’m not sure what can be done to improve them.  The Pac-10 is involved in nearly every decent bowl west of the Mississippi, excepting only the Cotton and the Alamo (does anyone miss the Insight Bowl?  Given that it’s now broadcast on the NFL network, I’m guessing that you didn’t watch).  There aren’t as many quality teams out west, so the fact that 4 out of 6 bowl opponents this year were ranked is actually a pretty good get by the conference.  So yes, not the greatest bowl options for the Pac-10, but get used to it.  It’s not getting better any time soon.

Yellow Fever:  That really summarizes this argument well.  It doesn't matter what Tom Hansen does, the Pac-10 is always going to be at a disadvantage when it comes to the bowl tie-ins.  For geography, for history, and, most importantly, for money.  The sooner you accept that, the sooner you enjoy the bowl season for what it is:  a glorified exhibition where a mythical national champion is then crowned.

HydroTech:  I like the Holiday Bowl.  I don't think it's a second-rate bowl and I don't see why most Cal fans complain about it.  I think it's mostly because (1) it's in San Diego and all Californians have been to San Diego so it's not really a fun and new "travel" destination; (2) we play the #3 or #4 Big 12 team and they think it's disrespectful to the #2 Pac-10 team to play the #3 or #4 Big 12 team. 

In the past 10 years since the Holiday Bowl became Pac-10 vs. Big 12, 7/10 games have been decided by 10 points or less.  There is essentially a 70% chance that the game will be a close one.  If games are being decided by that close of a margin, I don't think there is anything wrong with pitting the #2 Pac-10 team versus the #3 or #4 Big 12 team. 

While having the Holiday Bowl on or after January 1st would definitely make it more "prestigious" merely because it's a later bowl, I like having it at its current slot because it's the only prime-time game on and it gets national exposure

Yellow Fever:  Man, I had such a great concluding paragraph and then you had to go and ruin it with your additional information. 

HydroTech:  Well, let me be the first to apologize....

TwistNHook:  Look, just like I told you the other day, it is TOO late to apologize.

Ragnarok:  Well, this ended poorly.  Go Bears?

CBKWit:  Yes, GO BEARS!  BEAT THE HURRICANES!

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What is to blame for poor bowl tie-ins?
The Pac10 Commish
66 votes
Geography
50 votes
Lame Pac10 fans
14 votes
Karl Dorrell
44 votes
Capitalism
25 votes

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The sooner you accept that, the sooner you enjoy the bowl season for what it is: a glorified exhibition where a mythical national champion is then crowned.

Yep that’s about right.

by BearsNecessity on Dec 19, 2008 8:27 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I BLAME DORRELL

Though I actually voted for Geography.

Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...

by yellow fever on Dec 19, 2008 9:01 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the problem with the Holiday Bowl tying up #2...

…how many times has a highly-ranked Pac-10 team been left off the BCS Fail Boat, been relegated to the Holiday Bowl, and then in their despair struggled against a team from the Big 12 and made all the sportswriters cluck about how the Pac-10 isn’t really that good?

The obvious example is that if there were no tie-ins beyond conference champs, Cal almost certainly goes to the Sugar Bowl against Auburn after the ’04 season. I think the Oregon team that went the next year was ranked #6. No matter how nice San Diego is (and it is, no kidding), it makes no sense that a top-10 team can be stuck in the former WAC tie-in bowl while a 4th place Big Ten or SEC team is playing on January 1. (Seriously, South Carolina? Iowa? Are you kidding me?)

Some of those lesser bowls that have crept into New Years Day are a bit of a show, too. I don’t remember the Gator Bowl being a January 1 game, and the Cotton Bowl is still more prestigious in my mind than the Fiesta Bowl…but them, I am a simple redneck, and modern conveniences Bother me.

Personally, I think the go-to move is to blow up the whole thing and go back to how things were in 1990 or so, but apparently there’s no money in it. I think there’d be a lot better matchups if bowls were free to do their own deals…consider the Boise-TCU matchup…

by VandyImport on Dec 19, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

agreed

i really like the Boise-TCU matchup, and it’s the sort of thing you never see anymore because everyone’s tied to specific bowls.

however, i do think that Pac-10 teams that just miss out on the BCS would be far less disappointed in the Holiday Bowl if they got a consistently more prestigious opponent in a more prestigious timeslot.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 19, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point

There’s so much more parity in college football than there used to be, such that virtually any bowl eligible team from a BCS conference has a chance to beat a top team from another BCS conference on a given day. So by having our # 2 team in the Holiday Bowl against the Big 12 # 3 or # 4, the Pac-10 loses out on the risk/benefit scale — at least in the years in which we have a BCS bowl-worthy # 2 team. By contrast, look at the Capital One Bowl. Neither Michigan State nor Georgia would have anything to be “ashamed” of if they lost — it’s approximately SEC # 3 vs. Big T1e1n # 3.

Can anyone remember another conference having a BCS bowl-worthy team relegated to a lower tier bowl, then struggle in the lower tier bowl? Only one I can remember is 1998 (1st year of the BCS). Kansas State had the inside track to the BCS title game, only to lose in overtime in the Big 12 Championship game to aTm. Not only did KSU lose its chance at the title, it was passed over for a BCS at-large berth. Relegated to the Alamo Bowl, KSU lost to a good, but not great, Purdue team. (Sounds a lot like CAL 2004, doesn’t it?)

Realizing just how much Aaron Rodgers spoiled us.

by Ohio Bear on Dec 19, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And that K-State incident led to the rule that the #3 team HAS to get an at-large spot, which coupled with the top-6 rule left Cal out in the cold in ’04.

Everything bad about the BCS ultimately traces back to the Big 12. I am convinced of this.

by VandyImport on Dec 19, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Payouts & Facilities

The problem I see with the current tie-ins is the amount of the payouts and the facilities they’re located in.

Geography the Pac-10 can’t change, what we do have are desirable cities to hold games: San Francisco, Los Angelas, San Diego, Las Vegas. What none of them have are modern, football-only stadiums. Both SF & SD are very desirable destinations, yet their football facilities are a joke, oldest in the NFL if I’m not mistaken. Where was Hansen to help facilitate a modern build? What deep pocket sponsor, (Oracle, Boeing, Disney, Intel, Google, Apple, Genetech…) would want to slap their name on a crappy facility?

Second problem is the payouts. The big Florida bowls, Outback, Gator, Capitol One, even Chic-fil-A in Georgia have much bigger payouts than the Holiday Bowl..and those bowls are for lower tier’d teams! Again, nice negotiating there commish. The larger the payouts, the easier it is for university’s to offer attractive travel packages for students and alumni.

by corsair on Dec 19, 2008 9:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I Like the Holiday Bowl

I like the Holiday bowl, it generates great ratings, is in a good location, and in my mind marks the beginning of the good bowl games. Nabbing the Big-12 third place team doesn’t bother me because their 3rd place team is better than 25% of their league while our 2nd place team is better than 20% of our league, and I feel that will normally result in a comprable match-up. As for the Big-12 #4 team, I would really like to see this become exclusively the #3 team. I think the prestige (and subsequent payout) of the Holiday bowl will become greater as this match-up develops over time.

The rest of the bowls, I’m indifferent towards. The Sun Bowl has a decent payout but is in a generally cold El Paso, and aired at an inopportune time. The Vegas bowl is too early. The Emerald bowl, I don’t see how it can be sustained if it doesn’t habitually grab either Cal, Stanford, or Ucla. The Hawaii and Pointsettia don’t offer good match-ups.

by chowder on Dec 19, 2008 9:38 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Holiday Bowl is supposed to grab the #3 Big XII team every year, but it seems like it end up being the #4 team every year because the Big XII always seems to grab 2 BCS bids.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 19, 2008 9:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

which is the case because the Big 12 has 4 OOC games, plays very soft OOC opponents, plays only 8 league games, has an overhyped championship game, and has a great number of teams in primo college football locations. Getting 2 BCS teams, under current BCS formulations, will likely be the case heading forward. So, in reality, this will leave us with Pac-10 #2 with Big 12 # 4. More accurately, this will likely be a Big 12 N team, and could even be the Big 12 N runner up since the Southwest Conference teams DOMINATE the old Big 8 teams.

This is why more Cal (and Pac-10 fans) want better bowl tie ins. Because we feel our #2 team shouldn’t have to play someone else’s leftovers. Sadly, I don’t think there’s a fix. The SEC won’t leave the south (and why should they, really?) and the other conferences are represented.

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by carp on Dec 19, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big 12 North is a disaster area. And Texas Tech played not one but TWO I-AA teams in their OOC schedule this year.

Next Pac-10 commissioner needs to get serious about 1) better bowl tie-ups and 2) officials that don’t come on the field with a white cane and a dog.

by VandyImport on Dec 19, 2008 11:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

awesome post…but why are the Rose and Orange Bowls under fever’s “2nd tier bowl” part?

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by carp on Dec 19, 2008 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Because Fever not so secretly hates us.

No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.

by Maharg on Dec 19, 2008 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A) Because, uh, he copied and pasted that section there straight from the site and didnt bother to take those out and B)there is no B.

Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.

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by TwistNHook on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What I'd like to see

is to make the tie-ins considerably more flexible. It sucks that the Pac-10 has close to zero chance of playing an SEC or Big 10 team outside a BCS bowl not just this season, but for the eternity of the bowl contracts…

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In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 19, 2008 10:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Can the Pac-10 operate their own bowl?

I always wondered why the Pac-10 didn’t operate their own bowl, instead of tying into other bowls. With the sponsorship money, ticket sales, advertising, etc. I would imagine the conference would end up with more money, when compared to receiving a million dollar pay-out. Plus, it would excercise more control over its product, creating more compelling match-ups, and whatever else they might want. I realize that the Pac-10 already sort of does this with the Rose Bowl (and its rather successful, I recognize this has more to do with pitting the number 1’s from two major conferences, particularly a cold weather conference with a dedicated fan base), but I think it could be quite beneficial to the conference.

by chowder on Dec 19, 2008 10:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey guys

You know what’s the best way to solve all this grousing about bowl tie-ins?

Hint: It rhymes with layoff.

by BearsNecessity on Dec 19, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Flay Off?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 19, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pet Spay-Off?

Sheriff of the Welcome Team
In Spite of Twist!

by Spazzy Mcgee on Dec 19, 2008 12:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all about the Benjamin$

Pac-10 Tie-Ins:
Holiday Bowl = $2.13mil
Sun Bowl = $1.9mil
Las Vegas Bowl = $1mil
Emerald Nut Bowl = $850,000
Armed Forces Bowl = $600,000

Notable others:
Capitol One Bowl = $4.25mil
Cotton Bowl = $3mil
Chick-fil-A Bowl = $3mil
Outback Bowl = $3mil
Gator Bowl = $2.5mil
Alamo Bowl = $2.25

Whomever the new comissioner is, they better act as a facilitator and negotiator and not, a pontificator like Hanson acted.

by corsair on Dec 19, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Boris Badinoff!

He’ll get those guys in line.

by WifeisaTroj on Dec 19, 2008 6:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Without reading all other posts, here's my 2 cents, sorry if I just re-write what other people have said already

One of the biggest reasons the Florida bowls have stated that they don’t want to negotiate with Pac10 schools is how “poorly the fans travel.” We travel poorly to the poor bowl games, because that’s what they are. My plane ticket to El Paso cost $600 and is now upwards of $1,000— not exactly feasible for 20,000+ fans to do. And El Paso isn’t exactly a tourist destination. I’m willing to be that a New Years Day bowl in Florida would draw plenty of fans from any school: it’d be a nice little vacation.

But the two big Pac10 tie-ins, the Rose and the Holiday Bowls, always get many, MANY fans from whatever Pac10 school is in. And that would be the case here too. Another big issue is the timing of the bowls. A bowl game on December 27 will generally be during the week (this year happens to fall on a Sat), meaning people would have to take off work to travel, generally 3 days or maybe more. A New Years Day bowl would mean less time off work, enabling people to travel better.

And finally, the teams we are playing aren’t exactly top caliber teams either. Miami is what, 7-5, 6-6, from the ACC? Granted, Miami has name-recognition, but generally it might be someone like Maryland, Boston College, NC State. Or how about the Sun Bowl— our 3rd best team is playing somebody from the Big East (not the champion) or a mediocre Big 12 team. When was the last time Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc was in the Sun Bowl? I can’t even recall them ever being there. If we were playing better teams, the fans would travel better.

That’s my 2 cents.

Oh, and Twist’s wife is hot

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by The VD Special on Dec 19, 2008 11:52 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Never worry about posting something. The DBD is created to allow for worry free posting. So, the worst that happens is a second comment, instead of a second fanpost. We realize that people arent going to be parsing through 300+ comments to find if something has been previously posted.

No, I’m not The Maharg but thanks for thinking of me so highly.

by Maharg on Dec 19, 2008 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That should be a tagline.

It's spelled "S-H-U-C-F-A-D-O-D-N-C-S"

Please, ask me about CFADODNCS.

by JShufelt on Dec 19, 2008 2:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Pics?

I have no new information on that at this time.

by Rishi on Dec 19, 2008 3:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Need pics of Twist’s wife or she doesn’t exist.

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by HydroTech on Dec 19, 2008 4:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I googled Twists Wife, and this what came up

See what I mean?

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by The VD Special on Dec 19, 2008 4:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice job twist!

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by carp on Dec 19, 2008 4:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my image search of carp’s wife came up with this:

No! NO!!!

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by carp on Dec 19, 2008 4:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

HOW DID YOU GET THAT PHOTO OF HER?!?!?

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by TwistNHook on Dec 19, 2008 5:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BCS 'Power' Conferences

I’d like to draw attention to another factor that screws the PAC-10, insofar as geography is the problem. The closest two conferences (providing the best choice for interested fans/teams to travel to SF, SD, LV …) to us are the WAC and the MtnWest, which are not BCS power conferences and therefore considered second tier teams by the rest of the nation. However, the rankings this year would say otherwise. Is the ACC really that much better than the WAC and the MtnWest? The MtnWest has Utah, BYU and TCU in the top-20 of the AP, while the ACC has GT at 14, and VT at 21. Even the WAC has Boise St at #9, from a conference of 8 teams, not 12.

Basically, if the prestige of these conferences were not structurally damaged by the BCS system, many of our bowl tie-ins (not to mention out of conference games) would carry more weight and respect.

by I hate $C on Dec 19, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying that for a while now

We play the tough of the mid-major conferences. The Big 10, Big 12, and SEC play the MAC and Sun Belt

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by The VD Special on Dec 19, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it's a thing

near as i can tell, Marve was more of a co-starting quarterback, meaning that the other guy will probably be almost as effective. now, if he’s not effective, there’s not much of a plan B, but i don’t know that this affects cal’s chances much.

sucks for marve, though.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Dec 19, 2008 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There’s only one true national champion. The University of Richmond Spiders! Will Oklahoma or Florida win a playoff this year? I don’t think so. Snitches.

by HyphyBearsFan on Dec 19, 2008 8:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The Hippy Bowl...

Cal should host the Hippy Bowl on New Years Day! Each team must have 1 long-haired on their team. They could sell vegan hot-pockets and hemp Ted-Head shirts. Payout would be in hugs and the players would get pot brownies and 2 large Fat-slice pizzas for their bowl gifts.

by QQ for life on Dec 19, 2008 9:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I vote that Illinois brings back J Leman and they get to play

BETTER THEN BAK BAK

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by The VD Special on Dec 19, 2008 10:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I love your screen name. QQ FOR LIFE! Are you those dudes who wear the QQ shirts? I love those things!

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by TwistNHook on Dec 21, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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