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GoldenBlogs Top 25 - Week 13

Coming up with a Top 25 this week presented me with three distinct problems, each easily ignorable if you didn't want to think too hard about it, but more nagging the more I tried to resolve them.

 • First, how do I find 25 teams that are worthy of being ranked?
 • Second, is Alabama really the best team in the country?  Have they done the most?  Do they have the best résumé, and should I rank them #1 even if I think Florida is a better team and will beat them on a neutral field?
 • Third, how do I sort out the Texas-Oklahoma-Texas Tech mess at the top of the Big XII South?

The first question was the easiest to answer:  simply find out whoever was leading the ACC this week and pencil them in at the back of my ballot.  Yeah, most teams, at this point in the year, have some major black marks on their résumés, and the trick is to simpy sort out those teams with the fewest negatives and the most positives to balance them out.  Besides, worrying too much about the bottom of the Top 25 is something even I know better than to do.

The other two questions, however, were trickier.

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Alabama vs. Florida.  On the surface, it's an easy answer:  Alabama is the last major-conference undefeated team, and so is #1.  I'll bet most voters didn't give it much thought.  But I'll bet Florida will be favored to win the SEC title game.  At this point, 'Bama probably deserves to be #1, but I think it's worth examining their résumés.  Obviously, since they're both in the same conference, they're going to have a bunch of common opponents.  Let's examine:

Alabama Florida
@Tennessee W 29-9 W 30-6
Mississippi W 24-20 L 30-31
@ Arkansas W 49-14 W 38-7
LSU @ W 27-21 OT W 51-21
Kentucky W 17-14 W 63-5
@ Georgia W 41-30 W 49-10

Blowout wins at Tennessee, Arkansas and Georgia are basically a wash.  Alabama struggled with Kentucky and at LSU, needing overtime to pull out the second win, while Florida handled both opponents with ease.  However, while both teams struggled against Mississippi, Alabama managed to pull out a win where Florida failed.  Both teams played fairly middling teams the rest of their schedules, never coming close to defeat in any of them, though Florida's win over Miami is probably more impressive than Alabama's win at Clemson, and the Gators do have a date at Florida State this weekend, while 'Bama gets the Iron Bowl vs. Auburn.

So, the question is, do two markedly superior performances vs. LSU and Kentucky balance out the fact that, in struggling with Mississippi, 'Bama found a way to win where Florida did not?  How much should 'not losing' count for?  Should we judge the Crimson Tide a superior team because they played three opponents close but managed to win them all, whereas the Gators have soundly beaten every opponent but one, yet they lost to that one?  Is Alabama good, or just lucky?  Does just winning matter, or should we also consider how these teams won?

I went with Florida this week.  HydroTech and CBKWit went with Alabama, which is why they top our Top 25.

Finally, the Big XII South.  Texas beat Oklahoma, who beat Texas Tech, who beat Texas.  Based on their performance against Oklahoma, it's pretty clear that the Red Raiders are going to be third in the pecking order, but how do we choose between Texas and Oklahoma?  The Longhorns won the head-to-head matchup, but Oklahoma looked much stronger in defeating Texas Tech than Texas did in falling to the Red Raiders.  Which do we consider stronger evidence of superiority?  How much should performance vs. common opponents come into play when we have a head-to-head matchup on a neutral field to consider?  Even worse, if all three of these teams win this weekend, the Big XII South winner will be determined by, *gulp*, BCS Standings.  No wonder the AP wanted out of this thing.

Frankly, I think Oklahoma should come out on top, and I think I can speak for all Cal fans when I say, "Suck on that, Texas!"

What do you think?  Alabama or Florida?  Texas or Oklahoma?  What would you do?

While you're pondering that, here's the rest of this week's Top 25:

RankTeamDelta
1 Alabama 1
2 Florida 1
3 Oklahoma 2
4 Texas --
5 Southern Cal 1
6 Penn State 1
7 Texas Tech 6
8 Ohio State 1
9 Utah 1
10 Oklahoma State --
11 Missouri 1
12 Boise State 1
13 Georgia 2
14 TCU --
15 Cincinnati 5
16 Oregon State 2
17 Ball State --
18 Oregon 8
19 Georgia Tech 7
20 Michigan State 5
21 Boston College 5
22 Florida State 4
23 Brigham Young 7
24 Mississippi 1
25 Northwestern 1

Dropped Out: LSU (#19), Pittsburgh (#21), Maryland (#22), North Carolina (#23), Miami (Florida) (#24).

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florida rolled the last few weeks

Florida i admit started out slow. it is true, style was sloppy and they didnt have a positive ethic, and sadly it took a sad loss to the rebels….but after a tearfull promise , tebow has kept it

the gators are virtually unbeatable right now

bcs is crap…viva la sec championship

by vinnysap09 on Nov 26, 2008 7:32 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

There is no way Florida could drop 40 on USC. No way. No how. SC’s defense would likely hold any offense in the country to 3 touchdowns at worst. Outside of that, yeah, Florida does look unstoppable. Though, those Big 12 teams might be able to get into a shootout with the Gators.

by BeastMode on Nov 26, 2008 7:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I can't endorse Northwestern being ranked

even if they have nine wins. They didn’t have to play Penn State. Their best win was a fluky affair against Iowa early in the season, and they were manhandled by the ‘good’ teams in the conference. And Indiana. They would have lost 6 games in the Pac-10 round robin even in this ‘down’ year.

...Scuzzlin fo a Jack in Da Box

by Thoroughbred on Nov 26, 2008 7:44 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

agreed

i purposely didn’t rank them. if the voter who did feels like identifying themselves, perhaps they’ll defend the choice.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 26, 2008 8:19 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So Utah smashes BYU, goes undefeated, and DROPS one spot?

Ohio State smashes down a 3-9 Michigan team and they overtake Utah?

What is wrong with voters here?

The top ten, in my opinion, should look like this:
1. Alabama (by virtue of actually being undefeated)
2. Florida (doesn’t matter – 1 and 2 face each other)
3. Texas (when you compare two teams, you often ask “who would win on a neutral field?” Good thing we know)
4. Oklahoma (may bump up if they dominate Ok State)
5. USC (if they want to make the NCG, hope that I’m right and Ok State wins. Oh, and FSU and Auburn winning wouldn’t hurt either).
6. Penn State (If a lot of things happen, they could make the NCG)
7. Texas Tech (do they really deserve to go to the NC if Oklahoma loses?)
8. Utah (Oregon State, TCU, and BYU are pretty impressive victories)
9. Oklahoma State
10. Missouri (we’ll see just how good they really are in the Big XII CG)

Basically, the Big XII is the best conference in college football this year.

by Rishi on Nov 26, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

hmmm, i didn't notice that

i honestly didn’t look at last week’s ballot when i came up with this week’s, and you’re right, that does seem odd; if we thought Utah was better than Ohio State last week, nothing last weekend should have changed that opinion.

still, i really don’t like ‘delta’ arguments. can you give me a good reason to rank either Ohio State or Utah above one another? and i’m not buying the ‘common opponent’ argument (Michigan), as the Wolverines weren’t nearly such a mess at the beginning of the season.

i don’t have the same exact top 10 as you do, but i don’t see much there i terribly disagree with.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 26, 2008 9:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I propose that UT should be ahead of OU, for the following reasons:

1) They won the H2H matchup rather convincingly on a neutral field
2) While they lost to TT, it was on the road on the last play of the game. OU had TT at home.

I’m virtually certain that UT would have manhandled TT in Austin. Maybe not to the tune that OU did, but convincingly enough that you could treat the TT games as a wash and just look to the H2H game to determine the better team. You can go back and forth about their other games this season (Texas’ schedule is probably slightly superior to OU’s, but just so), but I think it boils down to that Rock-Paper-Scissors matchup.

That said, Mack Brown is a jerk.

by markdash on Nov 26, 2008 12:27 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

yeah

but OU beat TCU and a Cincinatti in what was previously considered a cupcakce OOC schedule. Texas had a bad Arkansas team.

And, most importantly, the Red River shootout was early in the season. If you lose, lose early and lose to a quality team.

What I don’t understand is how they really consider the Cotton Bowl a “neutral” field. It’s still in Texas (and not OK)! I know they keep the tickets even…but it’s still more of a road game for OU than it is for UT.

The proper OU-UT rankings will be unveiled soon enough…

I think Cal should strongly consider playing a Big East team that’s picked to be a conference favorite. A victory over that school could result in having a “quality” victory over a team that has a great chance at ending up in the BCS bowl and finishing in the Top 25. Just as long as it’s not early in the season @ 9AM PST and Tedford travels the day before. The Orange Bowl should be the worst BCS bowl in history…

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Nov 26, 2008 1:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Utah-Pitt in 2004

was pretty bad

...Scuzzlin fo a Jack in Da Box

by Thoroughbred on Nov 26, 2008 1:36 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

this years might be worse...

Utah was kind of exciting in ’04 IIRC

The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.

by carp on Nov 26, 2008 1:40 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Both Texas and Oklahoma fans get equal amounts of the stadium, and Dallas is about the same distance from Austin as it is from Norman. Similar situation with the Cocktail Party in Jacksonville.

by BearsNecessity on Nov 26, 2008 3:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think we should flip it up and play a cross-country rival game at a neutral site halfway between Berkeley and the rival’s city. Except I mean halfway between the cities the OTHER WAY around the earth. So it’d be like Singapore or something. That’d be sweeeeet!

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 26, 2008 4:08 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We can have it on an ocean and play it on Brock Mansion’s party yacht!

(☞゚∀゚)☞

by Berkelium97 on Nov 26, 2008 5:56 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs


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