Cal @ OSU - Immediate Post Game Thoughts
by HydroTech
on Nov 15, 2008 3:15 PM PST
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Put your immediate post-game thoughts here!
This year's offense is the worst in the Tedford era. Yes, even worse than 2005. We've got a decimated OL and have inexperienced players starting at 3/5ths of the OL. We have our youngest and worst WR group in the Tedford era.
Aside from Mack, Best, and Vereen and an emerging Tucker... our team just doesn't have the talent right now - or the experience.
Defense kept us in the game today... just like against U$C. And just like against U$C, it was up to the offense to win the game. Just like U$C, they couldn't.
Defenses don't win championships. A great defense won't do it by themselves. It takes some offense too. Right now, we have too little offense. We have too many injuries, and too many young guys playing.
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Win or Lose ...
I’m posting this with about 6 min left in the game and Cal down 27 – 21.
Riley is killing us. The kid simply isn’t making the play he needs when he needs. Too many overthrown – behind the receiver balls.
That being said, special teams killed us. Our D held OSU to 13 points (as of now).
Ugly performance by the Bears.
Go Bears!
by SoCal Oski on
Nov 15, 2008 3:45 PM PST
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Don't forget
Today was also a Pete Alamar special
by norcalnick on
Nov 15, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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Now we can stop talking about the Rose Bowl.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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So would you rather have OSU or USC go to the Rose?
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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USC, at least OSU’s streak is almost as bad as Cal’s
by turkey on
Nov 15, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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On the assumption that two Pac-10 teams then get BCS bids, leaving a better bowl open for Cal…
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 4:00 PM PST
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Good point, I can really go either way. Although the worse the bowl game, the more likely Cal will win…
by turkey on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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Also, as a consumer, the USC vs. Big XII/SEC BCS game will be epic to watch.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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I thought you said we can stop talking about it. Less than 1 minute later, you bring it back up!
Please disregard the above ramblings as those of a clearly delusional fan.
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by TwistNHook on
Nov 16, 2008 5:14 PM PST
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Riley's been overthrowing his passes all year long
and trying to wedge it that time over a linebacker and underneath the safety, he overthrew it again… don’t know what’s wrong with him this year, but he didn’t make those bad throws last year…
But remember Colt McCoy… he didn’t have a great sophomore season either. He could still be a good qb.
by elbarto83 on
Nov 15, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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Colt McCoy also had an excelelnt freshman season though…
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 4:00 PM PST
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couldn't you argue that riley did well his freshman year, too? even though it was a limited season
by elbarto83 on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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nah, sorry, only 1 really good quarter vs. OSU, and he blew up a crappy AF defense. So, imo, no.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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I haven't given up on Riley though, elbarto
he might be great next year…. this year’s team just lacks too much on offense to really help him out.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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With a 3 man rush getting to him, it’s hard to fully judge any QB. There’s still a fair number of overthrows he needs to correct.
by turkey on
Nov 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST
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Similar to McCoy in another way
Colt McCoy had a serious concussion early his second season and I don’t think he really had it together the rest of the season.
by YleeXOtee on
Nov 17, 2008 8:00 AM PST
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I can’t help but think that all the people defending Riley wouldn’t be defending Longshore if he threw the same 4th quarter interception
by norcalnick on
Nov 15, 2008 3:59 PM PST
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can we just talk about how shitty our o-line is? nevermind the qb play....
jeebus h christ it’s terrible. absolutely fucking shit
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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thank you.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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Reminds me
I think it was Colorado St. Jahvid and Chris Guarnero both got injured? Folks were asking whom we’d miss more. I think we’ve got the answer.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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Another winnable game
Adopted son of in limbo Brad Hennessey. Beloved for a stolen base much like Dave Roberts
by AndYourBirdCanSing on
Nov 15, 2008 4:01 PM PST
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we don't win "winnable" games
we win games in which we are supposed to win and lose most of the toss ups.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:02 PM PST
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Oregon and Michigan State were toss-ups.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Nov 16, 2008 12:06 AM PST
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agree on oregon, not sure about msu
still, that means we’re either 1-3 or 2-3 this year. Maybe we should specify “winnable games on the road”.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 16, 2008 12:12 AM PST
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The road is the issue. We haven’t won any games on the road (I don’t take WSU seriously). Our D looked horrible in the first 2 (Maryland & Arizona) but they played great in the last 2. They only gave up 13 points. The offense lost the SC game and the ST lost this one. Take out the ST snafus and we could have had a 21-13 game.
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by OskiMonsta on
Nov 16, 2008 6:41 AM PST
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this wasn't winnable, not when your qb is hurried on every fucking play
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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Sigh
A lot of things went wrong for us. Riley didn’t have a good game, but the WRs also dropped some catchable passes too. That said, his final INT was somewhat Longshore-esque. Oh and the o-line didn’t help much at all.
Anyways, given the way our offense has been playing the entire season, if we win the next two games though, I’ll still be pretty happy.
by Mister Pie on
Nov 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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So... Las Vegas Bowl?
i just wanna go somewhere fun. sigh
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on
Nov 15, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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I want Vegas for sin – or Emerald for simplicity of travel.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST
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i think we’d have to lose out for that to happen. not worth it.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Nov 16, 2008 12:07 AM PST
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This is the year of El Paso
Free handjobs at the Sun Bowl WOOO!!!
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST
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I was pretty sure the banged up o line would cost us a game
but I thought it would be Oregon instead of OSU
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:04 PM PST
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I don't feel like talking about it anymore... I'm off to the basketball game.
later everyone.
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by BearStage on
Nov 15, 2008 4:05 PM PST
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see you there
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Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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i'll text you
I haven't seen that many tear-stained dollar bills since my dad hired a stripper for my uncle's funeral.
by BearStage on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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our win against oregon seems more unbelievable by the day
how did we pull one out against them, with the state of our offense? wow…just, wow.
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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they couldn't pass
and we got turnovers.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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Masoli INT in the red zone, Punt return fumble in the red zone, Safety.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 4:07 PM PST
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Debate, Tedford is approaching Braun like status?
by turkey on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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nah, that's too extreme
let’s see how cal plays with a fully healed o-line first.
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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and the SAHPC!
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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This season has been all about road losses.
The silver lining for me is that our defense will still be pretty good next year. And our offense can’t get any worse, since I htink our O-line has hit rock bottom.
by sec119 on
Nov 15, 2008 4:06 PM PST
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So depressing
I knew this would be a rebuilding year, but I’m starting to wonder just what we are building. Riley has taken so many steps back that I have zero faith in him as a starting QB for this program. I know our O line is horrible, but still, Riley has taken huge steps back this year.
Sigh. As a lifelong Cal fan I know I should be happy that we even make bowl games, but it’s getting so depressing to come somewhat close to the Rose Bowl every year only to end up depressed in November. Seeing OSU looking like they are going to make it there just makes it that much worse.
So now we get the ’furd coming off two depressing loses. They will be playing for a Bowl Game. What will Cal be playing for?
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by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 4:07 PM PST
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The axe and the memory of last year’s game.
by turkey on
Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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prevent stanford from going bowling. that is important.
by nickle on
Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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It's important to the fan base, but I wonder if the team really cares.
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by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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Sure
I wonder if the Stanford rivalry is that big of a deal for the players on this team. Will keeping the ‘Furd out of a bowl really be that motivating to these players? I don’t know.
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by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST
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If we had won last year I'd be more worried
Too many veterans on this team remember that game.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 4:28 PM PST
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eh?
they’re the ones putting in the hard work throughout the season day in day out.
we just get to watch the ‘fun’ part.
i’m pretty sure they care a lot.
by nickle on
Nov 15, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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I’m not saying they don’t work hard. I know they do. I know they try hard and work hard and all that. All I am saying is that I wonder if keeping Stanfurd out of a bowl game will give them that extra bit of motivation.
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by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 4:15 PM PST
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I haven’t seen any quit in this team like last year. We just haven’t made the plays, but the heart seems to be there, particularly on the D.
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by OskiMonsta on
Nov 16, 2008 6:44 AM PST
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word!
Having been indoctrinated during the Holmoe era, keeping the Furd out of a bowl game would be sweet.
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...
by Hey Bowles Hall! on
Nov 15, 2008 6:42 PM PST
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Wow... both teams made mistakes.
It wasn’t a great effort for anyone. I was very impressed by Jahvid Best… and the defense is very good. Are they coming back next year or is there a lot of graduation?
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Nov 15, 2008 4:08 PM PST
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Jahvid had a couple great plays
but that was a truly horrible drop.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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what's really going to confound me is
…when reading JO’s practice reports this weekend you’re going to get all the same replies from the players, i.e. “we learned from last week’s loss, we’re having good practices this week, etc.” only to watch cal lay an egg again on saturday.
i don’t understand how so little of what’s going on during the week doesn’t seem to transition into the weekend, where it obviously counts
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:10 PM PST
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not really an egg I'd say
we just don’t have an offensive line. And it’d be nice if our qbs and receivers were more consistent. But we’re just not going to beat the two best teams in the conference (SC and OSU) without an offensive line. Period. .
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Nov 15, 2008 4:11 PM PST
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How about “Beavers are more talented and physical than Cal this year”. It took two otherworldly plays from Best to make this even close.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 4:11 PM PST
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they have more than one starter left on their o line.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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Cal was not supposed to win this game, so you can’t really call it an egg.
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by OskiMonsta on
Nov 16, 2008 6:46 AM PST
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Wisconsin wins Paul Bunyan's Axe
Aww, I wanted to take it from Minnesota next year.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 4:12 PM PST
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and stanfords already put up more pts in the first 5 mins than we did against usc
by nickle on
Nov 15, 2008 4:14 PM PST
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at the risk of beating a dead horse
it’s probably because they have a halfway decent o-line
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:15 PM PST
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If the 'Furd beats USC again...
I mean…Harbaugh has to be considered legit right?
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Nov 15, 2008 4:15 PM PST
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definitely
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Nov 15, 2008 4:16 PM PST
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stanford will be a difficult team again for this year's big game
…how many times could that be said during the teevens/harris years? that enough lends him some credibility
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Nov 15, 2008 4:17 PM PST
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I'm with everyone on the O-line concerns...
but I’m really wondering if the QB competition will be open for next year. Of course, give any QB lots of time and he looks good. Riley just hasn’t stepped up.
The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.
by carp on
Nov 15, 2008 4:19 PM PST
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mansion will most definitely get a shot at the least
tedford’s leash on his qbs has gotten shorter
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by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 4:20 PM PST
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I think it will be open
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by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 4:21 PM PST
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Question-
Longshore is gone after this year. We all assume that Riley is the guy by default next year – but is that a safe assumption? Is Mansion going to be given a chance to win the job?
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Nov 15, 2008 4:19 PM PST
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Sure
He’ll be the backup. He’ll get his shots. But Riley hasn’t really been bad. His offensive unit has been bad. Other than some lobs he’s thrown accurate routes but just can’t get his guys to catch them.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:21 PM PST
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Again this week it was a combination of poor throws and drops. What if Tucker had held on to that bomb? What if Morrah had held on to that 1st down catch? Instead we lose momentum and punt. But Riley missed a lot of throws.
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Nov 16, 2008 6:50 AM PST
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Oregon 21 Arizona 10 after ONE QUARTER
And it’s only ASU 10 Wazzu 0 at the start of the 2nd half. How far the Sun Devils have fallen.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:23 PM PST
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Their last gasp was at OSU.
When that fell apart, so did the team.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
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Nov 15, 2008 4:26 PM PST
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BTW cablinasian
congrats on the win, good luck against az and U of O
by norcalnick on
Nov 15, 2008 4:35 PM PST
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Yeah, thanks.
I root for Cal every game other than against OSU. I hope you guys kill Stanford for us… that loss still bugs me.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
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Nov 15, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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Here's to hoping you get to the Rose Bowl and take care of the opponent there
I’m an underdog-lover so prefer the team that has rebuilt after years and years of being the doormat… despite my extreme disappointment right now I will be rooting for OSU to go all the way!
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Nov 15, 2008 4:46 PM PST
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This 'Furd-USC game is making me feel worse than the Cal game
Stanford already looks way better than we did last week, on both sides of the ball against the Condoms.
Add in the 10 four star recruits and seven more 4 stars considering the ’Furd…these guys are back, and could be on the path to overtaking Cal in terms of overall talent in a year or two.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:36 PM PST
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The fact that they have like 7000 fans is a fucking joke; half the people in the stands are Trojans fans.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:37 PM PST
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Good god, the 'Furd are just taking apart Sanchez
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Nov 15, 2008 4:42 PM PST
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good for them
Tired of Sanchez, tired of USC. Let them lose, that way no one in the media will be able to talk about how they are the most talented and best team in the country, and deserve a shot at the MNC.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:46 PM PST
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I see we have a SMQ/Dr. Saturday reader among us. Certainly no one gets as much positive press as that team does.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 4:52 PM PST
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guilty as charged
though Doc Saturday is far from the only one claiming that $C has the best defense in the history of the universe.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:54 PM PST
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What does CalSeth think?
This isn’t a rethorical question… what is his analysis?
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Nov 15, 2008 4:46 PM PST
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35-17 Oregon.
Always nice to see Cal and Stanfurd neck and neck in November. It has been fun watch us regress and them progress. Fuck.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:51 PM PST
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i wouldn't even call them "neck and neck" at this point, but we'll see how Stanford does tonight
Either way, same thing as last year – they’ll be fired up for us and we’ll have nothing really to play for. (not to impugn Emerald Nuts or the great city of El Paso).
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Nov 15, 2008 4:57 PM PST
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If the ‘Furd beat us (a decent possibility), they’re going to win a lot of local recruits. Very worrisome.
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Nov 15, 2008 4:58 PM PST
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It does seem like the 'Furd has momentum as a program
Whereas Cal is standing in place, at best.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:04 PM PST
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but Stanford had no place to go but up.
Speaking of which, just saw another Treed TD on my gamecast. Is the Trojan D that bad to look at right now?
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Nov 15, 2008 5:07 PM PST
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They’re looking mediocre right now for the best defense ever.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:13 PM PST
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They're already putting together a top-10 recruiting class
Harbaugh is doing a really good job down on the farm…
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by Calfan on
Nov 16, 2008 8:26 AM PST
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42-17 Oregon
This year is all about homefield isn’t it?
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Nov 15, 2008 5:03 PM PST
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Next year.
Besides Syd, who could go pro this year as a junior, here’s a list of the Bear’s seniors according to ESPN.com:
LaReylle Cunningham, Rulon Davis, Felder, Follett, Glover, Hicks, Mika Kane, Jordan Kay, Longshore, Mack, Malele, Zach Smith, Alex Stroud, Nick Sundberg, Ta’ufo’ou, Teofilo, Tepper, Worrell Williams, and Sean Young. Losing Felder, Follett, Davis, Mack, and Ta’ufo’ou, and Williams hurts. Still, that makes us 16/22 strong next year.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:04 PM PST
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Tepper will probably be back since he was injured all season.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:06 PM PST
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If Stanford plays Cal like they are USC right now
it won’t be pretty next week. Oh well, at least I’ll be there to see it in person.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:06 PM PST
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This is seriously ridiculous
17 points already. So much for greatest defense ever.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:07 PM PST
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The Trojans have poor mental discipline. Believe me, if they took Stanford as seriously as they take us this would not be close.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:13 PM PST
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Astonishing, considering what happened last year.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:15 PM PST
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The same thing happened with Oregon St.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:17 PM PST
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Damnit. The old saying about thinking alike.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:17 PM PST
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Exactly
And we saw the same exact thing in Corvallis again this year.
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Yep. USC honestly thinks right now they can put up 30 in the second half and win this thing easy.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:18 PM PST
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They should stop carrying around Reggie Bush’s jersey then. That’s exactly what happened about 5 times in 2004-2005.
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And Bush was quite clearly the one that bailed them out.
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Exactly. That Fresno St. game is a classic example.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:22 PM PST
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Eh. Managed 28 unanswered until the coaches got into a late game pissing contest. But that was the defense that kept SC in it.
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Nov 15, 2008 7:13 PM PST
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If it wasn't for two Gable returns the Trojans would be in deep shit
As it is it’s a tied game.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:09 PM PST
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Looks like Alamar is moonlighting on the Farm...
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Nov 15, 2008 5:11 PM PST
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7-0 Vanderbilt
On ESPN2.
Fun trivia piece. Since 1982, Vanderbilt has had 19 chances to win a 6th game in one season. Their record in those games: 0-19. Will that end tonight against Kentucky?=
Second fun fact. When Vanderbilt had lost 23 consecutive SEC games, that streak was broken against Kentucky too.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:21 PM PST
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Bobby Johnson
2 wins over 7 years in November. And Vandy will most certainly extend his contract.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:39 PM PST
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Ron Cherry is GIVING THEM THE BUSINESS on ABC
I wish we could hire him to be a Pac-10 ref.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 5:25 PM PST
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Hey, where to listen to the game over the internet (Hoops)?
by BeastMode on
Nov 15, 2008 5:26 PM PST
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The link on Pacific basketball website isn’t working.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:41 PM PST
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mississippi state has the worst offense I have ever seen
And yet somehow it’s still only 5-0 Tide. Kind of hard to believe from down here in Big-12 country.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:29 PM PST
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Bama’s most impressive win was against Georgia, who’ve clearly taken a step back from last year. Their first real opponent will be in Florida.
ROLLTIDEROLL
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Nov 15, 2008 5:33 PM PST
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I doubt anyone else
was able to watch UGA scrape by Auburn today. It may have been on the road, but it was still not very impressive. Also, 14-3 Troy over LSU.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:35 PM PST
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Auburn had ten chances to win this game. Converted on none because their offense is still terrible.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:40 PM PST
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Random question. Are your ESPN/ESPN2 channels not working?
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:34 PM PST
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TD Miss State
Sylvester Croom looks like he’s dressed up like the black Emperor.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:36 PM PST
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Haha, they needed to execute the extra point three times. Now that is a terrible team.
7-5 Croomers.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 5:37 PM PST
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This is what we call getting Croomed.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:38 PM PST
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If MSU somehow pulls this out
I will probably do a backflip. Their two SEC wins will have come against the #1 and #13 ranked teams at the time.
by Nashville on
Nov 15, 2008 5:42 PM PST
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Found a link for Cal-Pacific!
It’s on Channel Surfing: http://channelsurfing.net/
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 5:42 PM PST
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I'll set up a Cal-Pacific Open Thread for the Second Half in the FanPosts
Hold on. Bears up 36-20 at halftime.
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Nov 15, 2008 5:46 PM PST
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Trojans are starting to kick it into third gear
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 5:59 PM PST
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That third gear has too much grease. FUMMMMBLE.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:01 PM PST
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if stanford wins this i will get a murder boner
however, their play tonight also strongly suggests that cal really doesn’t even deserve discussion as being the 3rd best team in the conference, but probably middle of the pack at best, and realistically probably lower than that. sigh.
i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*
by ch0ster on
Nov 15, 2008 6:11 PM PST
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Well, we still have to play the ’Furd to decide that title. Who gets to go to El PASO???
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Nov 15, 2008 6:23 PM PST
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wow, how the mighty have fallen
Troy 17, LSU 3 halfway through the 2nd quarter.
by bearsglory on
Nov 15, 2008 6:12 PM PST
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Hey, woah..
Arizona down by three. this is crazy.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on
Nov 15, 2008 6:25 PM PST
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LOL, Patrick Chung fumbled a kickoff
Greatest secondary ever strikes again.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 6:27 PM PST
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Wow, Oregon’s Masoli has scored FIVE touchdowns…
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 6:29 PM PST
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He’s scored about 50 fantasy football points… wow.
www.californiagoldenblogs.com
by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 6:30 PM PST
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Man, Jeremiah Johnson with 17 yards and no TDs, Mike Thomas with only 36 yards and no TDs, in a 100 point game. That’s rough dude.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:40 PM PST
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i think i lost to Fever.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 6:55 PM PST
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Troy 23, LSU 3
still in the first half, but damn, that is pathetic.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:30 PM PST
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'Furd looks like they're out of gas
So Arizona will just throw a collective wrench in Oregon State’s hopes next week and USC will go to the Rose Bowl and beat up Penn State for four quarters. Good times.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 6:33 PM PST
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Oregon scores, 55-45
Can watch the ending at http://www.justin.tv/prd74test
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Nov 15, 2008 6:35 PM PST
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And the classic Havilli killer
USC 38-17.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:46 PM PST
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He blocks, he scores
and thank goodness he does.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:48 PM PST
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Sanchez really got bailed out in the first half by Gable. USC’s offense did NOTHING.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:54 PM PST
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I had other obligations...
… so I only caught a bit, but enough to see that they were execrable.
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Nov 15, 2008 6:55 PM PST
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watching them play tonight, i don't know how we beat oregon...
maybe oregon’s just that bad
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Nov 15, 2008 6:55 PM PST
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Crazy idea #1--let's sit out all the seniors!
Oh you strange mercurial fans.
The season is almost over now and one of our huge problems (as JT has admitted is not building depth and guys who will play in the future early enough). Now the Rose and Holiday bowls are off the table and the Sun is highly unlikely too. So, if it’s just a question of vegas, emerald or hawaii, perhaps it’s time to start figuring out the future.
stanford will be tough to beat b/c they play like they really care about winning and their coaches seem to have a plan. uw should be a win regardless. so if we figure to finish 7-5 and go to the emerald, why not start using this week to start working on next year?
we could still start mack and williams and all on senior day, but the snaps in practice and games could be split so we can start to figure out the oline rotation and the qb for next season. We also need to find a fullback and what combo of linebackers can play together.
The key thing is qb though. If Mansion doesnt’ get in the games then JT will just default to Riley b/c he’s the only one with experience. That philosophy has treated us very poorly lately.
I don’t even think the seniors are much amped to play lately with the season as disappointing as it is and with us in the thick of our annual November slump. They may not mind sharing the snaps and just thinking ahead toward the combines.
I also think the wr coaching change should come soon. No reason to press into the off-season with a coach who clearly can’t handle the job. Get him out now and start finding the right replacement. Cignetti probably will have to stick around since we just hired him, but it’s too bad b/c he’s been really brutal. Hopefully Michalczik is just in a slump. Our oline may be the worst in the conference, at least outside the state of washington, and he’s had years to recruit depth and develop it. I’d think he’d want to play the young guys and figure out who his line will be next year.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 15, 2008 6:57 PM PST
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Predictable
I’m sure the Bear Insiders will be calling for Tedford’s head again. Sure, it’s depressing to be seemingly stuck in place the past few years, but tell me who we could find that would be better than Tedford. Tedford has put up with a monumental level of bullshit trying to get facilities built so he can compete on the recruiting front. He’s been loyal and I will be as well.
At the end of the day, I’ll take these Tedford years over the alternative. There are fates far worse than the Emerald Bowl. Who knows, perhaps next year really will be the year.
The Bear Will Not Quit
The Bear Will Not Die
by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 7:15 PM PST
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I don’t think one can even say Tedford has really had a “bad” year. In those years where we finished with 5 losses or so, it was due to significant injuries.
2005 – Longshore injured
2006 – pretty good year
2007 – Longshore injured
2008 – massive OL injuries; the most inexperienced WR group in the Tedford era
Each year, there has been some sort of circumstance which has kept the team back. It’s not like Tedford is returning all 22 starters and we’re finishing 3-9 on the season or something. So for the most part, I think Tedford is doing just fine considering the bad hands he’s been dealt by lady luck.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 15, 2008 7:35 PM PST
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Plus we're pretty much always in every single game
Other than USC against Booya, there have been very few Cal games where there’s no hope in the 4th quarter. If only we’d win those games, the Tedford discussion would be in a much different place
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Nov 15, 2008 7:43 PM PST
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It's all about expectations
And many Cal fans have had some pretty lofty ones of late, myself included. And as the song goes, the harder they come, the harder they fall.
In the interest of keeping sane last year, I came to the conclusion that I would stop expecting Cal to win the Rose Bowl or even make a BCS on a yearly basis. All I expect to see is more wins than losses. That’s it. A 10 win season here or there is a nice bonus but I’m not going to expect it to happen every year.
The Bear Will Not Quit
The Bear Will Not Die
by joshiemac on
Nov 15, 2008 7:56 PM PST
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Hard not to interpret this as having given up on this year and playing for 2009.
by BeastMode on
Nov 15, 2008 8:38 PM PST
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I don’t see that… I think Nate would have been just as ineffective under that pressure.
...nuh nuh nuh gone
by Thoroughbred on
Nov 15, 2008 8:40 PM PST
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Do you see a drastic difference at starting Longshore the final two games of the season?
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Nov 15, 2008 8:45 PM PST
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Here’s what I’d say: If there is no difference in the quality of play, I’d rather the senior take the snaps. Also, I think this team would have been better off picking a guy after spring ball and sticking with him unless injury. I think a big part of the receiver problem is timing and chemistry, something that gets thrown off in situation like this. Even Boateng admitted as much last week. In any case, if the position was up in the air all season, what has Riley proven over the past 1.5 games to cement himself as QB1? Why is it now certain after he goes 14 for 39 over that period? Here’s what’s different, they’re playing for 2009.
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Nov 15, 2008 8:58 PM PST
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So we should return to quarterback roulette to put the position back up in the air? Almost all of us know that Riley’s lack of PT might have contributed to his poor performance. He’s never been given the chance to grow into his role—it took three and a half games of mediocre (but not terrible) play for Tedford to yank him in favor of Nate, who proceeded to do exactly the same.
As much criticism as Tedford has taken, it’s now clear why he decided to stick with Longshore last season. It’s likely we would’ve seen the same issues immerse if Riley was placed in that situation last year.
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Nov 15, 2008 11:41 PM PST
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I don’t think anything I said suggested I didn’t think Riley would not have the same struggles Nate had last year. My point was that Nate should start against Stanfurd and Nate should of been the permanent starter this season. If it’s a tie, the senior gets the nod. And, I don’t actually think it’s a tie. The only thing Nate detractors were left with this season was he is immobile and he throws picks at the wrong times. Well, Riley has taken more sacks and has thrown more picks. I’d prefer the go that goes through his progressions, completes passes at a higher percentage, and has proven leadership.
And, as for complaining about the roulette and then asking for Nate to play next week, that ship sailed week one. This competition was doomed from game one. Stopping now does nothing but prepare for next season. This season, it should be Nate under center.
by BeastMode on
Nov 16, 2008 8:06 AM PST
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I think we're seeing how the QB controversies have hurt the team...
Riley hasn’t progressed this season. This will be different next year once he gets a lot of snaps, I hope. I know most of us fickle fans have doubts and want to see a competition w/ Mansion and Bridgford. But, I see a ton of potential in this guy and hope he develops. This kid has a gun and throws a beautiful deep ball. He made a few really nice throws today, but also made a lot of bad ones too.
...nuh nuh nuh gone
by Thoroughbred on
Nov 15, 2008 8:39 PM PST
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Some Bear Insiders think Longshore should start
1) He’s a Senior, and it’s Big Game
2) Riley was in all day today, and we came away with an “L” (whether that’s his fault is another topic)
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I thought Tedford would at least consider starting Longshore, unless of course he’s injured. Riley played a terrible game… The fact that Longshore is a senior and this is his last Big Game and it’s at home should factor in as well. I hope his Cal career can end on a good note and the fans can show their appreciation for him.
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Nov 15, 2008 8:47 PM PST
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I just addressed this above. It’s bullshit Nate isn’t starting and it’s an absolute cop out to the seniors on this team to name Riley the starter. After a season of tumult, he has done nothing to earn the job. Nothing.
by BeastMode on
Nov 15, 2008 9:00 PM PST
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Time to switch to the other football?
I love Cal football. I obsess about Cal football. I can’t wait for the Big Game, and I’m even mildly excited by whatever becomes Cal’s sixth (!) consecutive bowl game. Six in a row? Are you kidding me? Believe me. Anyone who was born into Cal football B.T. (before Tedford), never imagined six bowl games in a row—and that we’d actually be mildly disappointed at the state of the program despite that unprecedented run.
All that said, I’m also a soccer fan. No, I am a soccer-obsessed fanatic who can never get enough of the “beautiful game”. And guess what: our beloved Golden Bears are ranked in the national Top Ten, awaiting their latest NCAA tournament invitation, and fresh off a victory over Stanford thanks to a goal by Jacob Wilson. The Bears did concede the Pac-10 championship this year back to UCLA, but they’re still a legit contender to make a tournament run at the national championship. Go Bears!!
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Nov 15, 2008 9:57 PM PST
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Terrifying stats
As I was falling asleep last night, I started doing some math. In our last 18 games (conveniently starting with the OSU game in 2007), we are 8-10. In the 18 games prior to that (start of 2006 – Oregon 2007), we were 15-3. 15-3 vs. 8-10. I would say it has more to do with Longshore’s injury last year and the o-line injuries this year than anything else, but still, this is not the direction we want our program to be heading.
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by CBKWit on
Nov 15, 2008 10:10 PM PST
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If 2 games below .500 becomes the definition of a slump under Tedford, then I can live with that. Compare, for example, the Bears’ current plight to that of Michigan.
Of course, if 2 games below. 500 becomes the new definition of normal under Tedford, well then, discussion is warranted. But major college football is very competitive and even the best of teams go through struggles. Here’s to having the last three games of 2008 become the first three wins of the next remarkable 15-3 run (or dare we dream of 16-2 or even 17-1?).
Question for the future: Is Tedford really a QB “guru”? The Boller and Rodgers projects obviously panned out well at Cal, but Ayoob, Longshore, and (so far) Riley aren’t looking so hot. This isn’t a criticism (yet), but our wait for the next great Tedford quarterback is starting to get rather long.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Nov 15, 2008 10:31 PM PST
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Akili Smith, Joey Harrington?
Tedford hasn’t just coached at Cal.
Giving [Batum] the freedom to go for steals is going to be like giving a redneck six boxes of ammo and a quarter mile of empty Bud cans. - Dave
by Cablinasian on
Nov 15, 2008 10:48 PM PST
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Not to mention Trent Dilfer, Billy Volek and A.J. Feeley.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:43 AM PST
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I never meant to suggest that Tedford’s reputation was undeserved or that it was based solely on Boller and Rodgers. But you have to admit, it’s been a while.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Nov 16, 2008 9:31 AM PST
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Neither am I. They don’t call holding on OSU for the entire game and then they make that HORRIBLE call on Will to wipe out a big run and a first down in OSU territory. What BS.
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Nov 15, 2008 11:16 PM PST
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I was actually disappointed in his comments
He’s supposed to be a leader. Leaders don’t blame the refs. Everyone knows the Pac-10 officials suck balls. Stating that is not needed.
The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.
by carp on
Nov 16, 2008 7:49 AM PST
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I agree with both of you. That holding call on Will was a killer, and especially given how much they were letting go the rest of the game, was a real head-scratcher.
At the same time, carp is right, and this team needs to worry about its own mistakes, not the refs’.
(Still, I sympathize with Follet’s frustration.)
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Nov 16, 2008 9:35 AM PST
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Shit, I wouldn’t be happy either. I sure they can get motivated for ’furd.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:18 AM PST
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“Now the Rose and Holiday bowls are off the table and the Sun is highly unlikely too.” Posted by BearsNecessity (quoting another Cal fan) earlier in the thread. By my understanding the Holiday bowl is still quite possible. If OSU wins out, they are in the Rose Bowl, and if USC wins out, they will likely be in a BCS bowl. OSU still has Oregon and Arizona, two games they will be favored in, but there’s definitely a chance they lose one. If Cal wins out, which is very likely (Washington a gimme and Cal should be favored against Stanford), and OSU win out, Cal will be tied with Oregon for the third best record in the conference. My understanding is head-to-head would send Cal to the Holiday bowl.
I don’t see Cal making the Sun bowl in any scenario, however. If OSU loses a game, it will be to Arizona or Oregon, pushing OSU into the Holiday bowl and whichever team beat them likely into the Sun bowl. Or Oregon into the Holiday bowl and OSU into the Sun bowl. The most important thing is Cal takes care of what it can control – the game against Stanford.
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Nov 16, 2008 8:25 AM PST
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Dreams of El Paso dashed again
I really wanted to face off against Chase Daniel.
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Nov 16, 2008 9:04 AM PST
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it's not quite that simple
if OSU and USC and Cal all win out (possible), I think we see OSU in the Rose and USC in some other BCS bowl. we would be tied for 3rd with Oregon (Arizona would have taken a 4th loss), but there is no “tie-breaker” for non-Rose Bowls. the Holiday would get its choice of Cal or Oregon, and the Sun Bowl would get the leftovers. we went to San Diego in ‘04 and ’06, while Oregon went in ’05, so I don’t know who might be favored in that scenario, but I suspect we might be looking at El Paso. Oregon was in the Sun Bowl last year (and 2003), where as Cal has never been, so if the Holiday has no strong preference, I think the Sun lobbies them to take Oregon and let Cal fall to El Paso.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
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Nov 16, 2008 10:46 AM PST
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Do you think that USC will be selected for an at-large bid? Utah is going to raise a huge ruckus if they are on the outside looking in.
Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.
by Spazzy Mcgee on
Nov 16, 2008 11:18 AM PST
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There will be room for both, I imagine
As long as Utah beats BYU, they should be guaranteed a BCS berth. Remember, though, that there are now 4 at-large slots for BCS games, so I would guess that the other 3 would go to USC, the SEC runner-up, and a Big XII South runner-up.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on
Nov 16, 2008 11:24 AM PST
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Except I get the strange feeling that this is the year Notre Dame beats the Trojans.
Go Bears!
by California Pete on
Nov 16, 2008 11:55 AM PST
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That would amuse me greatly
I don’t see it happening, though.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
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Nov 16, 2008 12:23 PM PST
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In theory, that’s possible, but their o-line is fairly porous and Clausen has a bad habit of throwing balls for an INT. Mind you, given the way this season has been going during the games, nothing would surprise me at this point.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:51 PM PST
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Only 1 non-BCS conference team can make the BCS each year I believe. With 4 BCS bowls and the BCS championship, that leaves 9 spots for the 6 conference champions. The 3 at large will be the loser of Alabama/Florida (winner in the championship), USC if they win out and OSU makes the Rose Bowl, and one of the Big-12 teams that doesn’t make the championship. There’s really no other teams that can make a case to get into a BCS bowl in that scenario (each BCS conference can only send 2 teams).
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Nov 16, 2008 2:59 PM PST
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Only 1 non-BCS team may earn an automatic bid if they finish high enough. Likely Utah, but Boise State is right there if the Utes fall to BYU. However, though Boise would be eligible to be picked, I have a hard time seeing a bowl pick them over USC. Same goes for Ohio State, who should be eligible, but was crushed by ’SC earlier this year.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
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Nov 16, 2008 3:28 PM PST
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Oh yeah, good call, I skipped a step in my thought process and went straight to the reality that a non-BCS team has 0 chance of being picked at-large.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:34 PM PST
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Thanks for the clarification…the important thing is if Cal wins out they still have a good chance at a decent bowl (by crappy Pac-10 bowl-tie in standards). I’m not sure I want Cal to face a Big-12 opponent in the Holiday bowl this year, that conference is loaded and all the top teams score a LOT of points, and I’m not sure Cal’s offense can keep up with that.
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Nov 16, 2008 2:56 PM PST
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A Reason for Optimism
Despite Cal’s 6-4 record, Jeff Sagarin still has them ranked #23 nationally, while Stanford is ranked below my 1-AA alma mater. Cal so far has played the 15th hardest schedule in the country. Just an example – West Vriginia is 6-3 and Northwestern is 8-3, but against the 68th and 63rd hardest schedules in the country, and thus Sagarin has them at 39 and 40 in his rankings. If Cal were playing a schedule like that, they’d likely be sitting around 8-2 right now.
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Nov 16, 2008 10:00 AM PST
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So, by Sagarin’s predictor rating, he would install Cal as 11-point favorites for the Big Game.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
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Nov 16, 2008 10:48 AM PST
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Mel Kiper giving us some love.... Top 5 by position (updated Nov 14)
Center:
1. Alex Mack.
Fullbacks:
2. Will Ta’ufo’ou. (previously unranked)
Inside Linebackers:
5. Worrell Williams (previously unranked)
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Nov 16, 2008 10:06 AM PST
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wow...the last two are a bit of a stretch
Williams is ok (by NFL talent)…Ta’ufo’ou I think is a great blocker but his foot speed seems really slow. Still, no one’s using the fullback in college anymore (with the spread offenses) so he might be on a training camp roster next summer.
The Maharg makes me look like an idiot.
by carp on
Nov 16, 2008 11:14 AM PST
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Well think about it this way, if Williams is the #5 senior ILB, and assuming around 3 ILB’s come out in the junior class and are ranked ahead of him, he’s the #8 ILB drafted overall, which puts him down in the middle/late rounds. Which is exactly where you’d expect someone that’s “ok by NFL talent” to be drafted. Fullback is so dependent on scheme and so little used it’s kind of hard to rank them. In some schemes all they expect is a big fullback to run block in the hole – doesn’t necessarily need to be fast.
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Nov 16, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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Worrell Williams is probably a late round draft pick. Tau’ufo’ou could probably play in the NFL but I’m not sure he’d get drafted since there isn’t a lot of demand for fullbacks in the NFL.
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Nov 17, 2008 2:55 AM PST
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Tough game...
Tough game yesterday guys. We could have won, but we didn’t. Oh well. I want everyone to know that I have been very busy at work lately, so much so that I have to take it home on the weekends. I am not a bandwagon fan that has bailed or anything. I would never do that!
GO BEARS!
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John F. Kennedy
by CaliSeth on
Nov 16, 2008 9:45 PM PST
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I’ve been wondering where you’ve been. I thought you were hiding your head after Riley’s performance these past few games.
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by HydroTech on
Nov 16, 2008 10:53 PM PST
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Who voted for USC?
"I look forward to a future in which our country will match its military strength with our moral restraint, its wealth with our wisdom, its power with our purpose."
John F. Kennedy
by CaliSeth on
Nov 16, 2008 9:47 PM PST
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Nestor?
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by TwistNHook on
Nov 16, 2008 9:57 PM PST
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Nestor submitted a write-in: Jordan Farmar.
by BearsNecessity on
Nov 16, 2008 10:05 PM PST
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guilty – because I assumed no-one else would.
by DC Trojan on
Nov 16, 2008 10:10 PM PST
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How did you get 39 extra votes?
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by TwistNHook on
Nov 17, 2008 7:46 AM PST
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I’m not admitting anything, but those polls are based on Diebold software.
by DC Trojan on
Nov 17, 2008 8:21 AM PST
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i didn't think CAL would pull it off
I didn’t think CAL could pull it off in Corvallis. This team wasn’t expected to beat OSU, and it showed. Zero consistency in offense except for the first couple of games and we all expect greatness? C’mon, at least the team was competitive.
by ultraseven on
Nov 17, 2008 2:12 PM PST
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