Pac10 Roundtable Week 11
What did I tell you guys? For weeks, for months, I was telling you. Barack Obama is a celebrity. Barack Obama is a secret Muslim slash radical Christian slash pensive Buddhist. Barack Obama is a dirty marxist socialist.
And ok, so I was wrong about the Muslim thing. And it's unclear what kind of Buddhist Obama is. But that socialist thing, I was DEAD ON! It's only like 1 week into his not even yet presidency and socialism has already spread across America. We are working in forced labor camps. We are criticizing Shostakovich's music as muddle. And we are sharing the Roundtable.
Now, no blog is hosting it. No blog owns it. We all came together to create the questions and then the answers. The people control the means of discussion!
It'll be easy for Berkeley when Obama makes us all socialists, because we are there already via www.tbray.org
Also, we've been doing that whole posting thing again. Check it: A look back at USC, Top25, USC Observations. Inside The Numbers for OSU. Fantasy Recap.
Oregon State will be represented by Building the Dam. The Washington schools chime in with CougCenter and our newest SBN blog, UW Dawg Pound. Conquest Chronicles and What's Bruin, Dawg? corner the SoCal market. Finally, Pitchfork Nation comes to us from the hot state of Arizona.
Behind the fold, find the questions. And, to a much lesser extent, the answers. We brought our heads together to bring you these bad boys, so I hope you enjoy them!
1. USC and OSU win out. OSU wins the Pac10 and goes to the Rose Bowl. USC doesn't win the Pac10, but due to the BigXII and the SEC cannibalizing themselves, manages to get into the National Championship game. Discuss.
Why would this be a problem? There's plenty of precedent for this in the past, so let's not get our panties in a bunch over this. Obviously, on its face this is pretty ridiculous, but if no one thought this was an issue before, it shouldn't be now. And I'd be interested to see whether or not Oregon State is able to put up a decent fight against Penn State this time around, so I don't think it would be quite the disaster that everyone's predicting.
2. Oregon State is the only team that controls its Pac-10 destiny due in large part to freshman phenom Jacquizz Rodgers, but their next 3 games will be their toughest stretch of conference games. What are their chances of winning out and going to their first Rose Bowl since 1965?
Well, what is in their favor is that 2 out of 3 of those games are at home. Cal and Oregon are at home with Arizona being on the road. However, it seems very difficult. Cal and Oregon are both very, very solid teams. They have strong running attacks that will take it directly to the OSU D. Plus, Arizona on the road. Cal fans can attest to how difficult it can be to play at Arizona. Right now, OSU is 2-3 on the road with the wins being against UDub and UCLA, two of the worst teams in the Pac10. The losses are against Stanford, Utah, and PSU. All solid to elite teams. Still, OSU doesn't have a sterling away record.
Moreover, there are several reasons for concern for OSU fans. Quizz is getting run into the ground. He has well over 200 carries on the season. He averages about 30 touches a game. As a freshman. If he can keep this up, more power to him. But there's a good chance he could wear down as the season progresses. Moreover, their QB, Moaevewkslwe has been injured. Sean Canfield has been backing him up ably, but that is against UCLA and ASU. Not exactly elite pass Ds. Arizona, Cal, and Oregon ALL have great pass Ds. I'm not sure when Moavjwkfklw is coming back, but Canfield is apparently starting against Cal.
So, while OSU has a favorable schedule and while OSU seems to peak at the end of the season, it seems unlikely they will beat all 3 of those teams. But if they do, they deserve the Rose Bowl!
3. It's pretty widely accepted as of now that the Pac-10 is having, across the board, its worst season in years. Give us your #1 reason for this sudden downturn in quality.
Barack Obama. Unfortunately, this was NOT the change we needed.
4. Each season can bring significant change to a college football team, whether from graduation or a change in starters. Now that we've seen the majority of the 2008 season, what do you think will be the significant changes for your team to contend with in 2009?
Well, the biggest drop off is at the LB position. We lose 3 of our best LBs and potentially our 3 best players: Zach Follett, Worrell Williams, and Anthony Felder. These three guys are beasts in the middle of the field there. We have some guys to step in with notable talent, such as The Prophet Mike Mohamed. But nobody like those three.
Another big change will be having only 1 QB. Love him or hate him, Kevin Riley will have this team to himself next year. He *could* have EASILY had this team to himself this year, but unfortunately didn't play to the necessarily level to do so. Pretty much the entire offense comes back. The most notable loss on there is All-Everything C Alex Mack. But the loss of Mack will be offset by having pretty much every RB, every WR, and the QB back with an extra year of experience. This year the offense has had flashes of brilliance, but not consistency. Something that you would expect from a talented, but young squad.
Next year, they could really gel and be the start of something special. We also have pretty much all these players together for 2010, unless some leave for the draft early (I'm looking at you, Jahvid!). So, Cal fans are pretty excited about next year's team.
5. Will USC ever suck again? EVER!
Well, never say never. But the lifesblood of college football is recruiting. Unlike the NFL where the worst teams generally get access to the best young talent, in the college game, the best teams generally get the best talent. And now that USC has been so dominant over the past 6 years, they will pretty much ALWAYS get the best talent. USC is USC. People will go there.
Now, maybe there might be a few years now and then where they underperform. Maybe they'll have a Michigan 2008-esque year. But it will be the exception to the rule. Still, they have been losing a game or two since Reggie Bush left. This is not the Bush-Leinart team of old. There will be a chance for other Pac10 teams to reach the Rose Bowl. But it's going to take near perfection. May that happen for Cal in 2009.
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Ok. And here is CougCenter's Pac10 Power Poll as per usual. Tell us what your Pac10 Top 10 Power rankings would be? Are we on top? Or are we on bottom? Enjoy!
1. USC (5) - 59
2. OSU (1) - 52
3. Cal - 44
4. Oregon - 43
5. Arizona - 42
6. Stanford - 30
7. ASU - 24
8. UCLA - 18
9(t) WSU - 9
9(t) Washington - 9
CougCenter
1. Oregon State
2. USC
3. Oregon
4. Arizona
5. Cal
6. Stanford
7. Arizona State
8. UCLA
9. WSU
10. UW
UW Dawg Pound
no ballot this week
oregon over Arizona because 3 of us like the ducks better, but the points work out the same
USC 50
Cal 42
OSU 38
Oregon 35
Arizona 35
Stan 25
ASU 18
UCLA 17
UW 9.5
WSU 4.5
2. Oregon State
3. Arizona
4. Oregon
5. California
6. Stanford
7. Arizona State
8. UCLA
9. Washington State
10. Washington
- USC
- OSU
- Arizona
- Cal
- Oregon
- Stanford
- ASU
- UCLA
- Washington
- WSU
1. USC
2. Oregon
3. Cal
4. Oregon St.
5. Arizona
6. Stanford
7. ASU
8. UCLA
9. WSU
10. UW
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Here’s the litmus test in my mind: Is it a joke or do I genuinely want to discuss supply side economics for 3 hours?
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But some people find supply side economics fun! Like Alan Greenspan and Robert Mundell!
by BearsNecessity on Nov 13, 2008 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I’ve always wondered who was posting as “Olsonist.” Clearly, it is Alan Greenspan!
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“The passing accuracy of Nate Longshore is a typified by strong first and second quarter growth that provides good indicators for future growth. However we can’t underestimate how his irrational exuberance throws fixes into the development of his long-term viability.”
That’s only the abstract. Anyway, Alan Greenspan wouldn’t have called him a fat tub of lard. Probably more like a negative correlator for identifiable monetary gains.
We’ve found the solution to our quarterback debate. Let Alan Greenspan write a summary of it and no one will care anymore.
by BearsNecessity on Nov 13, 2008 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Greenspan running the play=delay of game. It would take him three hours to relay it to his offense.
by BearsNecessity on Nov 13, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
If you had told anyone in 2001 (hell, as recently as 2005) that Miami would have a losing season in 2007, they’d laugh at you.
Anything is possible.
Even Keynsian economics?
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Sure, if the circumstances call for it.
But clearly you’re missing the point. Can we not compare the state of USC today to Miami and Florida State a couple years ago? Maybe USC will decline. Remember, Carroll has yet to find his next great USC QB. Booty and Sanchez are good, but not Leinart-esque.
Leinart was perhaps the best Pac-10 quarterback ever. There aren’t many quarterbacks that have been Leinart-esque in college football history.
And Sanchez appears to be much better than Booty, at least in terms of the various options he brings to the table in Sarkisian’s offensive schemes.
by BearsNecessity on Nov 13, 2008 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Actually, Leinart was probably one of the best QBs in college football history.
But to go from Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart to Booty and Sanchez…
Come to think of it, all the skill positions have dropped down. From Lendale White to Chauncey Washington, from Reggie Bush to Joe Fumbley McKnight, from Mike Williams, Dwayne Jarret, and Steve Smith to Hazelton and Co.
This drop-off in talent is part of the reason USC is in decline and, as of now, doesn’t even control their own Pac-10 destiny.
Carson Palmer looked good because of his last season with Carroll and Chow. He had an incredible arm but a bad habit of trying to make long distance low percentage passes.
Good point – the departure of Norm Chow also has a lot to do with the slacking in USC’s offense.
Lane Kiffin and Sarkisian haven’t lived up to that standard either. Their offensive schemes are overrated and leave a lot to be desired.
I look forward to the day when we can beat this apparently shitty USC.
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Yes, saying that they are possibly on the same declining route that FSU and Miami were on is exactly the same thing as saying that they’re a terrible team.
I’m happy we agree on something. I feel like there had been a lot of tension between us. So, to have us agree on something here is huge.
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No. You might notlike my lifesized cardboard cut out of shirtless Barack Obama.
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Fair enough, Rishi. Fair enough.
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The main difference I see is that in the eyes of recruits, sexy Los Angeles >>>>>>> all other Pac 10 locales (except give an edge to the Bay Area), whereas in the ACC, Miami is more or less on par with, say, Boston, DC, etc…
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
I think TV has made LA and Miami out to be the hawtest locales on earth.
...nuh nuh nuh gone
by Thoroughbred on Nov 13, 2008 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
But DC is more on par with Miami than, say, Corvallis, Eugene, Pullman or Tuscon with LA…
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
To counter that, FSU was the most dominant program in CFB for the better part of 15 years…
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Sure, but the point being, it’s not that recruiting fell off… it was that these recruits didn’t pan out. Kyle Wright? Xavier Lee? Mark Sanchez?
Bobby Bowden has gotten senile, Pete Carroll is a great coach…
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
And I would hardly compare Mark Sanchez with Xavier Lee. Is Sanchez equivalent to Leinart? No, but nowhere near Lee in terms of um, bustitude.
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But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Well, no one thought Bowden would go senile like he is now.
The point being that all great dynasties fall. Greece, Rome, Britain, Miami, and now USC too will fall.
When Carroll is gone, yes, I think so.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
Englebart attack!
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I am kind of surprised at how low some of the other blogs have Cal. Especially in regards to Oregon, a team that we defeated. Also, defeeted.
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I’m kinda surprised too, but I don’t think it is unreasonable. We’re clearly not as good as USC, we haven’t played OSU, and we lost to Arizona. So there are arguments for the 4th position, clearly. Then putting Oregon above us – well that was a weird game, and it was at home. Perhaps they are making the argument that the worse team won. I don’t think that is justified – it was a reasonably solid win, we played USC harder and they struggled more against UCLA. However, they beat ASU by a wider margin although I think ASU was in a better place after two losses in a row (when they played us) vs four losses in a row (when they played Oregon). I’m not paying attn to the WSU common opponent, the numbers stop meaning something when the discrepancy is that high.
It will shake out in the next couple weeks – we both play OSU and they play Arizona.
I think people just forgot we beat Oregon
But a reasonable argument could be made for having them above us anyway, so I’m not worried about it.
Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...
by yellow fever on Nov 13, 2008 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
I think most of the people who were at that game have since purged it from their memory. No one wants to remember it.
It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.
eh, I had a good time
it was nice to get a win in the pouring rain to replace the SC game from last year.
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I had a blast… The rain drove away the shitty fans for once.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
Anyone else think USC is a lil pissed off about losing to OSU
The only blog that doesn’t have us at least at 2, and they have us at 4th with our main rivals 2nd, who lost to Cal already
PHMPPHHH
Oregon State: where play action defense and healthy QBs thrive
They also have your flag upside down

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
by ragnarok on Nov 13, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LoL
That’s great. Upside down beaver.
by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 13, 2008 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
Is that the 9 or the 6?
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
by Maharg on Nov 14, 2008 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I rec’d it, but I don’t get it.
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Twist, when a man loves a woman…
Ah, forget it, this is too difficult
by Rishi on Nov 14, 2008 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe the flag was right side up, and it was the world that was upside down.
I just blew my mind.
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by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 13, 2008 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think that’s possible by the way the flag looks.
by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 14, 2008 5:43 PM PST up reply actions

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