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Observations From Section 3, Row 90 (Cal @ USC Thoughts)

As you can tell from these photos I took, it was hard to observe much of anything.

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I've never sat up there for a game, but I feel pretty confident that Tightwad Hill has a comparable view of Cal Football to what I had in the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum Saturday night.  Anyway, Hydro has already covered much of what I would have to say about the game, but here are a few thoughts of my own:

 • Phantom Touchdown II?  I couldn't say for sure.  I don't know what you guys who watched the game on TV were able to see on the reply, but I'm sure it was a darn sight better than what I could see from my seats.  And I've got better than 20/20 vision, so I really feel for all the people sitting near me without excellent eyesight.

I can say that the in-stadium replay angle wasn't really conclusive; I remember it being mostly behind the receiver, where his body shielded us from seeing whether the ball hit the ground or not.  It was definitely questionable, and I would have liked to see some other angles, but if that's all the evidence Tedford had to go on if he was deciding to challenge, I can see where he might have hesitated.  Of course, by the time I got a text from a friend watching back home saying "Totally not a catch on that TD...", the extra point had long been kicked.

I will commend the LA Coliseum staff for consistenty showing replays in the stadium, even after questionable calls where the home team might have benefited from an oversight.  I've been to more than a couple stadiums that refused to show a replay precisely when the visiting crowd wanted to see it most (Arizona comes immediately to mind), and their accomodation was much appreciated, especially given my distant vantage point.

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 • Reading the postgame threads after I got back Sunday night, I saw a lot of carping about how bad our offense was.  Backs, receivers, linemen, everyone got grief.  And there's no way to sugarcoat this:  Cal's offense was not good.  3 points, even against a defense as fearsome as the Trojans, is pretty unacceptable, and not many games are won with a solitary field goal (Auburn's 3-2 "masterpiece" over Mississippi State being a glaring exception).

Still, I think you have to give a lot of credit to the Trojans' defense; Cal will not face a better D all year, and there are good arguments to be made that USC has the best defense in the nation.  Cal's running game, which looked to be at least decent against a solid Oregon defensive front, got absolutely nothing going against USC, as Cal's makeshift line was pushed around and pressured all night, leaving very little in the way of running room for Best and Vereen.  Forced to go to the air, Longshore was accurate if unspectacular (lots of screens and swing passes that, while complete, didn't go anywhere), and while Riley at least kept USC's secondary more honest, a combination of good coverage and scattershot throws kept the Bears from sustaining much second-half momentum.

Of course, no effusive praise of the 'SC defense can excuse the numerous unforced errors by the Cal offense:  drive-killing (and touchdown-negating) penalties such as false starts, illegal snaps, and illegal formations.  If you're going to beat a team like USC (or even Oregon State) on the road, these sorts of mistakes are simply unacceptable.

 • I'm a big fan of the 'Block "C"'.  Too bad my camera only has a 3x zoom.

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 • Speaking of ineffectual offense, perhaps the biggest theme of the night was that Cal was playing catch-up in 2nd- and 3rd-and-long situations all night.  By my count the Bears had 23 1st down plays Saturday night, and they gained a total of 1 yard on those 23 plays.  3 sacks hurt (as did Nate falling over for a loss of 5 yards), but simply handing off the ball wasn't much better.  Excluding Nate's dive, the Bears ran on their first seven 1st downs, gaining a total of 10 yards.  Faced with this lack of production, Tedford/Cignetti then turned to the air, running a passing play on 10 of their next 15 1st downs, but 6 of those passes went incomplete, Riley was sacked 3 times, and just 1 pass was completed for a gain of 5 yards, for a grand total of -16 yards.  With putrid results like these, Best up the middle for 2 yards doesn't seem so bad.

Even worse, the Bears commited 6 penalties on 1st down, leaving them with far too many 1st and 15, 1st and 20, or even 1st and 25 situations.  Fortunately, the Bears were able to pick up another 1st down in 3 of those cases, each time due to a USC penalty that resulted in an automatic 1st down.

In all, the Bears gained more than 3 yards on 1st down just 3 times all night, and not once did they gain 10 or more to pick up another 1st down.  Ugh.

 • The flying wedge to begin the Cal Band's pregame show.

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 • Overall, I was quite disappointed at the amount of vitriol U$C fans directed towards me.  Usually, I run into a number of moronic trust fund babies who've been shotgunning haterade all day and love to yell at me and my friends all sorts of nasty epithets that aren't worth repeating.  Not this time, though.  Instead, I got a lot of "you guys played a good game" and such, as though a whole lot of people are reading Conquest Chronicles or something.  I don't get it; what happened to the '$C I knew and despised?

In fact, the worst display of fan behavior I saw came from Cal fans.  I was at a burrito stand called El Chanos on South Figueroa after the game, where you're litereally on the sidewalk when you're ordering.  A number of USC fans were there also (as well as a couple local cops), so it wasn't really a surprise when a car full of Cal fans sped by and drunkenly shouted obcenities out their window, followed by a "Go Bears!"  Real classy, guys.  It's onr thing to trash talk opposing fans, even after a loss -- I have no problem with that -- but I find it quite disappointing when it's done from a fast-moving car towards people on the sidewalk.  Such people seem like cowards who can dish it but won't even stay to take it, and that's only if their drunkenly garbled trash talk can actually be understood, which isn't always the case.

As it turned out, one of those $C fans was, in fact, QB Mark Sanchez (who's an authentic Mexican-American, so you know the burrito place had to be good).  He had a few friends with him, but oddly enough (so soon after the game), no teammates.  He was nice and patient, however, with all the fans wanting pictures with him while waiting for his celebratory post-game burrito.  In fact, he agreed to take a second picture with a female fan after I inadvertently walked in front of the first one.  Somewhere out there, there's a picture of Mark Sanchez and a female admirer, dominated in the foreground by the side of my head; I want that picture.  In any case, Sanchez seemed like a nice guy, and no, he didn't seem phased by the Cal fans telling him off as they drove by.  Once again, USC foiled my attempt to feed the flames of my hatred for them.  DAMN YOU, TROJANZ!!!

 • For some reason, the Oregon State flag on top of the Coliseum was flying upside-down.  Still bitter at the Beavers much?

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 • I think that, given the opponent, Cal played a pretty good game.  Maybe the Bears might have taken a couple fewer false start penalties had they been playing in Berkeley, but I don't feel that the outcome would have been drastically different.  Overall, however, it's hard to ignore the Bears' struggles on the road.  Under Tedford, Cal is 33-9 at home, but on the road, they are just 19-19.  Over the past three years, the divide is even more stark; the Bears are 16-2 in Memorial Stadium, but a mere 5-10 in their opponents' house.  Tedford's teams have thrice finished with a winning record on the road, including 2002, when they were nowhere near as talented as they are now, and 2005, admittedly a tough year all around, but have failed to do so since.  I can't claim to know the reason, but the Bears, if they're going to take the next step, have to play better on the road.

For me personally, it hasn't been very rewarding either.  I have always traveled with the team a fair bit, and while it's never been great, it's been getting worse.  Under Tedford, the Bears are 12-3 in road games that I don't attend, but just 7-16 when I do make the effort to travel (including 0-7 in Los Angeles).  And it's been getting worse.  Over the past 3 years, I've attended 10 Cal road games, and the Bears are 1-9 in those games.  So why do I keep going?  Why do I keep making the effort, when I'm so little compensated?  Well, that one win over the past three years was the epic victory at Oregon last year.  As time passes, the losses fade into the background, but wins like that stay with you forever.  When Marcus Ezeff caused the fumble into and out of the end zone, thanks to my terrible seats in Autzen Stadium, I was in perfect position to see it.  I knew immediately that it was a touchback.  The hugging and the screaming and the gleeful chants of "That's Our Ball!" are the things that keep you going as a Cal football fan.

Just so you know, though, I'm not driving to Oregon State this weekend.  For this reason, I fully expect our Bears to come away from Corvallis victorious.

 • I'll finish up by posting a few pictures that should give you a panoramic idea of how far from the action my seats were.  Notice, in particular, how my seats are not only behind the end zone, but almost behind the makeshift bleachers holding the Trojan band behind the end zone.  And I didn't even have the worst seats in the Cal rooting section.  Terrible.

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That's HELLA far up!

I can’t believe that is the visiting section, how embarrassing.

by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 10, 2008 8:48 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

They did that again in 2006. Its fucked up.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 10, 2008 8:50 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I saw that and had to get tickets some where I could actually see the game. I was proud to see that those sections were filled with Blue and Gold. I was surrounded by annoying mustard and ketchup ‘fans.’

by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 10, 2008 8:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

How would you rate the noise / loudness coming from the Cal section? It’s hard to tell when you’re in the thick of it.

by MCM711 on Nov 11, 2008 8:35 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

It was pretty loud, you could tell that CAL fans were trying to make noise on critical downs against USC. I wouldn’t say it was loud enough to really bother USC’s plays but it was far from quiet. I guess compared to the USC crowd at max levels during the game, CAL at their loudest was about %10-15 of that which was not bad. I was also kind of far from the CAL section, I was section in 14.

by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 11, 2008 9:09 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The visiting fan section wasn’t always that bad, but then there weren’t always so many bandwagon enthusiastic new fans to accommodate either. They moved the band out of the student section behind the team bench in ’06 also to create more ticket revenue, which seemed uncool at the time.

Still, having seen the carbuncle that Michigan is adding to their stadium for box seat revenue, it could be worse. (Except for visiting fans, of course.)

by DC Trojan on Nov 10, 2008 9:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Really?

Those are exactly the same seats I had back in 1990. When, exactly, did the visiting team’s fans get something that was on ANY yardline, let alone the 50? I live in L.A., and there’s good reason why I watch the games on TV from the comfort of my own home.

The Coliseum is arguably the most historic sports venue on the entire planet. It is a true California landmark. But it is a god-awful place for visiting fans to watch a game. The crappy old stadium in Tucson, for one, is much, much better. Even the old Stanford stadium wasn’t nearly so bad—although it was close.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Nov 10, 2008 10:34 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

whoa whoa whoa

I never said the visitors got good seats, but my perhaps faulty recollection is that’s where SC used to stick visiting students. Admittedly I haven’t been to a game in the Coliseum since the ’91 season, but my clear recollection from the tail end of that season is of the UCLA visiting students in that section fighting amongst themselves during a win over SC – I think maybe they were overwhelmed by the moment and the in-stadium beer sales.

by DC Trojan on Nov 11, 2008 8:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Those UCLA fans were probably just upset that Karl Dorrell was going to be their coach someday.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 8:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

There was in-stadium beer sales!?

by CaliforniaCMB on Nov 11, 2008 9:10 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Up until a few years ago

They’re allowed to because the stadium is not on campus. I heard one of the reasons they finally stopped was Cal fan’s drunken behavior at the 2004 game. I know that I was pretty trashed for most of that game, but I wasn’t nearly as obnoxious as some of my friends. (9am Jell-O shots are never a good idea).

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 11, 2008 9:15 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Cal fans singlehandedly got alcohol banned from the Coliseum??

Score one for our side!

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Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 11, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, We Did! Yes, We Did!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Well, the sword is two-edged. Now we can’t get hammered to drown away the misery of losing.

Sheriff of the Welcome Team.
Welcome.
But Stop Arguing Nate vs. Kevin.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Nov 11, 2008 2:17 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Back in the day

We also got alcohol banned from Stanford Stadium. I can’t remember if they sold beer inside the stadium or not—they must have—but they DID allow you to bring in up to a 6-pack each of cans (not bottles). I knew we were pushing our luck in 1987 when, suffering yet another dismal drubbing, we started chanting, “Bong hits for Muster! Bong hits for Muster”, figuring that might slow down the Stanford running back who was absolutely shredding us. And lo and behold, two years later, we finally ruined the party of everyone.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Nov 11, 2008 3:09 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That doesn’t seem that bad at all — and you’d think that ‘Bong hits for Muster’ would get POT banned, not alcohol.

Hope is dangerous, but Glory is addictive.

by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 3:16 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Better than Bong Hits For Jesus.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 3:28 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Uh-oh.

/looks around room guiltily

OH wait, it wasn’t just me? And to be fair, I handed over a lot of money to SC that day also.

by sec119 on Nov 11, 2008 3:10 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, you're correct

Those were the seats Cal fans got up until 2006. They weren’t great (end zone seats never are), but they were at least close to the action. My view of the final four downs in ’04 was pretty darn good.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 11, 2008 9:16 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

lol @ the upside down osu flag

that HAS to be intentional.

i'm here to clean your pool but i don't have a pool *bowchica bowow*

by ch0ster on Nov 10, 2008 8:53 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

cool pics!

LA coliseum (as a football venue) is way overrated in my mind. And what’s with the buff dudes with no heads?

I’ll also say the Rose Bowl is very overrated unless it’s the Rose Bowl. Does that make sense?

Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.

by carp on Nov 10, 2008 9:18 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

Great pictures. I’m glad you weren’t bothered by any obnoxious USC fans. Of all the Pac-10 venues, the most likely away game trip I’d make would be to the Coliseum or the Rose Bowl. I’ve never wanted to go to game at USC because I didn’t want to deal with obnoxious fans. But now I have slightly more optimism about going.

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by Berkelium97 on Nov 10, 2008 9:28 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

well, there are definitely obnoxious fans (you’ll encounter them at any road game, really), but by sitting in the visiting fan section, you generally don’t have to watch the game with them.

in fact, one of my favorite parts about attending road games is meeting new cal fans. i’ve made plenty of ‘single serving’ friends over the years…always enjoyable.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 10, 2008 9:59 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

by far

the worst fans I’ve encountered at an away game (been to OSU, Arizona, Arizona, Stanford, UCLA, USC, WSU, Holiday Bowl x 2) have either been the Texas A&M fans in San Diego or WSU in Pullman. No other fanbase came close – of course i have sensitivity to racial comments more than any other obnoxiousness.

by LeonPowe on Nov 10, 2008 11:38 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I always thought Boston was worse for black athletes!

Still happy over the fact that the Nets signed Ryan Anderson. Now if only they can sign Leon Powe after this year...

by yellow fever on Nov 11, 2008 6:32 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Boston is the worse city for black athletes (and will be for sometime). Still nowhere close to the madness of the heartland.

by BearsNecessity on Nov 12, 2008 5:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

This is where all visting teams sit now

The seating situation for visiting teams is just terrible there now – not that I blame USC entirely for that, but that side of the peristyle is just terrible to watch the game from – it’s at least 30 yards from the end zone. It’s like sitting in the nosebleeds on the -20 yard line.

And these seats are for everyone. When I was there in 2007, I was sitting right next to Christian Taylor’s family, so it’s not like these are the seats for the plebians.

And I still think their call to move the band out of the student section and into the endzone is total weak sauce.

by CAJason80 on Nov 10, 2008 9:30 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

yeah, that temp bleacher thing in teh south endzone

ruins one of the greatest band entrance features in the entire world.

when we went down there in the 80’s we’d march down those stairs are right up to the back of the endzone before doing the pregame show.

I was always surprized that they didn’t come in that way. they came in the nice track tunnel, milled around, and then did their pregame show. boring.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

when i was in band...

not so long ago, we still entered down those stairs, but then had to mill around those bleachers to get set up for pregame. it would have been really cool to march down and straight into the initial wedge.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Nov 10, 2008 10:01 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Ha

Section 3, row 88 here. They like me two rows better than you! Looking for my ugly mug in your pics but not so much. Ah well.

by tmoran3020 on Nov 10, 2008 10:15 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

In the mid 90s

Like that horrible 63-0 game which I attended in which 90% of the travelling Cal fans were either arrested, or left to bail out their friends and ended up being mortifyingly fun near the end (HEY USC! NEXT TOUCHDOWN WINS!) we had seats behind the end zone at field level.

But USC football was horrible then, so they didn’t have their bandwagon fans then either.

by LeonPowe on Nov 10, 2008 11:25 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

Section 3 Row 75--but it was still better than having to watch it on TV

2004 was the worst year I experienced at $C as far as fan behavior. The walk back through the parking lot was rough—lots of obnoxious fans. But 2006 and 2008 were both much better for whatever reason, and it was nice to not have to dread the post-game walk.

I’ve made the trip for the LA game each year since 2003 and it’s really starting to get old. At least the weather is generally nice.

MCCLESKEY!!

by Paulie on Nov 10, 2008 11:33 PM PST reply reply   0 recs

SC fans were rather nice

90% of the experiences I had this week with SC fans were positive. A pretty good atmosphere overall, definitely better than in 06.

One of the few exceptions was a dad who trained his four or five year old to say “California Bears F*ck” while they were walking behind me on the way to the stadium. The kid was so young he couldn’t even construct the sentence properly and his dad was teaching him how to drop the f-bomb. Class.

by avsrock90 on Nov 11, 2008 1:09 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

I was in Section 3, Row 81, however I was on the aisle bordering a section full of U$C fans, so we got a lot of idiot taunting coming our way.

At some point, we did a fishclap when we got a sack. Their fans saw our fans do it, and from that point forward they were doing it for pretty much every thing their team did.

First down? Fishclap.

Touchdown? Fishclap.

Game’s over? Fishclap.

I have some pictures of the game, but I’d rather show a picture of something worthwhile—the Oregon game that ragnarok mentioned.

It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.

by thenick on Nov 11, 2008 2:03 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Fish clap? It’s the gator chomp!

by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Yes, right, whatever.

The point is—they weren’t doing it before we did. Then they totally overused it while looking at specific people in the Cal section because, I assume, they thought it was humiliating to “use it against us”.

I believe I have some pictures of a Cal fan trying to explain it to them.

It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.

by thenick on Nov 12, 2008 12:29 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

SC fan attitude.

I can’t help but thing that the more congenial attitude of SC fans is due to the fact that they don’t feel threatened by Cal. I’m sure that in 2004 they felt a need to rectify the loss from the previous year but they barely won the game. As Cal’s most recent victory becomes more distant, the vitriol diminishes. You know, kind of like how you felt about that bully in elementary school. He tormented you at every moment. In jr. high you still hated him with the intensity of 1,000 white hot suns. But once you hit your growth spurt in high school and started to dwarf him, he started leaving you alone, looking for easier targets. Your once intense hatred over the years turned to dispassionate indifference and now you can’t even recall his name. Not that I have experienced this.

by Montezuma's Revenge on Nov 11, 2008 8:27 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

On the contrary, I think there was a little bit of fear there.

They were beat by OSU prior to our game. They were beat by Stanford last year. That has got to be a little humbling. In addition to a lot of the indifference you speak of, I think some U$C fans might have a little bit of quiet fear of the upset.

It's seriously too bad that there's no building or complex around that might have a large supply of sports drinks.

by thenick on Nov 12, 2008 12:31 PM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was in section 3, row 83. I could just barely make out the uniform numbers. I felt really bad for the band who is on the -20 yard line right next to the field and probably can’t even see the game. I think those bleachers in the back of the endzone are probably in the way. At least I had a birds eye view and could see how the plays progressed.

by MCM711 on Nov 11, 2008 8:34 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

that's not even the worst part

The band probably couldn’t see much of the field, but I think the direction of sound was the worst part about it. As you can see in my badly photoshoped image, the band was playing into the underside of the bleachers beneath the $C band. How very generous of them.

With this kind of spot, I had to wonder why the band didn’t just turn around and face the cal section more. And on another note, after the 2006 game, I know Sandy Barbour was very pissed at the seats that were given to Cal fans. She very much wanted to ‘return the favor’, but unfortunately none of our seats are that bad in Memorial

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by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 10:34 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Hey, look, I was right behind you!

by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Woah ,thats where the band is now. Thats horrific. We used to be on the far side of the stadium.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

So absurd. At the least move them 1 or 2 sections over so they can be in the endzone. There is no questions that Cal received the absolute WORST seats in the place.

It was still a fun time and there were a lot of Cal fans representing.

by MCM711 on Nov 11, 2008 11:08 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I was in the student section about ten rows behind the band. They’re horrible seats, but we did our best anyway.

I wonder if the noise was audible on tv. I know we were pretty loud, but I also know that a lot of people around me made no noise on critical third downs because they’re just there to have a decent time, not to actually watch the game.

That’s actually a larger problem with Cal fans – they see a football game as something to idly watch. And that’s not what college football is. It really is a sport that everyone in the crowd participates in. You have to be on your feet, you have to yell the entire game, you cannot just keep saying “let’s go, cal sucks”.

Also, on experiences with $C fans – they’re not very clever. The best insult they can come up with is “commies”. After the game, one fan yells at us “YES YOU CAN… COMMIES!” Another fan started naming communist dictators “Lenin, Stalin, Karl Marx”.

by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:07 AM PST reply reply   0 recs

Did you hear the 'Yes We Can' chant?!

It came from the Cal rows above us (which is surprising because there weren’t that many). I think it was kinda done in a very self-aware ironic way. It quickly died out because it was hilariously inappropriate. (like most of the stuff on this blog actually!)

Hope is dangerous, but Glory is addictive.

by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 10:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I participated in it since I was in the Cal student section…

At least around me, everyone was doing it. I felt a little wrong chanting it, but it was fun.

by Rishi on Nov 11, 2008 10:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

yes, definitely fun! Definitely silly :)

Hope is dangerous, but Glory is addictive.

by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Why is chanting “Yes, We Can” in appropriate?

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 10:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Just way out of proportion to the importance of the game. ‘Sí se puede’ was Cesar Chavez’s call for the United Farm Workers. That was taken up by the foot soldiers of Obama in what was viewed to be a type of cultural revolution.

I know it was a big game, but wasn’t THAT big :0)

ps. foot soldiers not to be confused with ‘the foot clan

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by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 10:37 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Firstly, I find it highly doubtful that many of the people who were chanting “Yes We Can” realized its initial creation as “Si se puede.”

Secondly, I still don’t see whats inappropriate about it. People were chanting a slogan. The slogan was created by one man and then supremely popularized by another. It consists of 3 words. What am I missing here?

It’s not like they were chanting “Kill Whitey” or something like that.

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I’m not saying it was bad inappropriate, like they shouldn’t have done it or it was offensive. I’m just saying, there was a feeling that this was not the same situation. We have a different positions as fans at one college football game then the fight for rights or representation. This is a completely different level of passion.

An exaggerated point would be if they were saying ‘We will overcome’ — completely not the same.

Hope is dangerous, but Glory is addictive.

by AndBears on Nov 11, 2008 11:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That is true there. Because we didn’t overcome. If only we had!

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by TwistNHook on Nov 11, 2008 11:15 AM PST to parent up