carp's crazy thoughts for a Monday
This FanPost was inspired by the flea flicker that Cignetti & Tedford called just when the play calling became boring and conservative. You would have thought these guys listen to Rush everyday. I remember yelling “oh shit” in an excited did-they-just-do-that? type of way as soon as Best pitched it back to Riley.
For awhile I’ve been thinking about how to boost the prestige of Cal football and the Pac-10 conference. Opinions in college football count more than opinions in any other sport until computers replace humans. The Bay Area (thank goodness!) is not the South or the Midwest so it is nearly impossible for Cal and other members of the Pac-10 to surpass rural America with established programs. My friend is an OU Sooners fan and I tell him college football makes schools and states relevant that no one ever thinks about. I’ve developed three ideas that are fun to think about and would help boost the image of Cal (if it wins) and the Pac-10. The other ideas will be relased in due couse. I welcome any comments or critiques.
1) Cal should develop an out-of-conference (OOC) rivalry. Obviously, it’s hard to start a rivalry but everyone has to start somewhere. Criteria include a) talented teams, b) passionate fan bases, c) ability to bring in publicity and $, d) help recruiting, e) have general disdain for the other school. The latter may take some time to develop. Notre Dame-U$C, Clemson-South Carolina, and Florida-Florida St. are excellent rivalry games that are OOC. Generally, these teams are located geographically close to one another (Notre Dame being the exception). Here are a few ideas:
Cal vs. Tennessee: Cal has started something with Tennessee where each team won home/home games at the start of the season. Tennessee fans came out in numbers to Berzerkely. I’m guessing Cal didn’t represent quite as well, but there are usually decent numbers of visiting Cal fans (hey, it’s the Bay Area!). The games were at night and picked up by ESPN and ABC. It’s tough to beat good teams at home. Cal fans were crazy that game. I thought Tennessee fans were going to bring Neyland Stadium down with the noise they were generating. Why not make a 10-year pact to play every year with alternating home games? Tennessee has shown it is willing to travel west and Cal (like other Pac-10 teams) has not hesitated to play good OOC teams. I considered Big 10 foes like Michigan St. and Minnesota but they just don’t have the same pizzazz. The main drawback is the distance.
Cal vs. Colorado. These guys are lined up to play in 2010 at Berkeley so we have some precedence developing. These schools are geographically closer to one another. It is easy to get an affordable flight to Denver and Boulder isn’t too far from the airport. Hell, driving or taking the train isn’t that bad. Especially with “road sodas.” I think they are the closest BCS school outside of the Pac-10. Colorado is down in the Big 12 but certainly could be back up on top if it can figure out how to out-recruit Big 12 South teams (sounds like Cal and $C to me). I believe Colorado has passionate Buffs fans. They have one of the coolest traditions in all of sports: “Ralphie,” a 1300-lb bison, runs out onto the field with 5 students guiding her with ropes and 6 others flanking her without ropes. I’m thinking Ralphie can do what she wants to do and 5 students with ropes aren’t going to slow her down. In some aspects, the greater Denver metro area is like CA. They differ in politics and diversity; CO is a swing state and lacks non-Caucasians while CA is very diverse and votes Democratic. Berkeley and Boulder areas attract more “intelligent people” than other regions of their state. Colorado was the top out-of-state school chosen by members of my high school class. The main drawback is that the Buffs are down; Colorado was 6-6 last year and lost to ‘Bama in the Independence Bowl. However, programs cycle up and down and Colorado certainly has the potential to rebound.
Cal vs. Fresno St. This one is intriguing. Fresno St. is from a non-BCS conference (WAC) but, under Coach Pat Hill, has developed a successful program in Fresno of all places. Fresno is also the best non-Pac-10 team in CA surpassing Tomey’s Spartans and San Diego (STD) St. While Fresno and Berkeley are within gameday driving distance they are miles apart when it comes to just about anything else. Urban vs. rural, Democrat/Marxist vs. Republican, excellent university vs. 4-year community college. Fresno St. has crazy ass fans too. In fact, they might embarrass Cal fans at Berkeley home games. Pat Hill would take about 3 seconds to agree to this rivalry game and, I believe, has called out Cal for not playing them. He has scheduled (and beaten) K-St., Washington, Oregon St., Wisconsin, and Colorado. All of these victories were on the road. They nearly beat Bush/Leinart’s $C team in the Coliseum. Seven DB’s have gone onto the NFL under Hill's watch. Tedford has played QB for Fresno St. and previously served as a QB coach at his alma mater. The main drawbacks include the questions of national relevance and if Fresno St can succeed without Pat Hill when he retires or moves on.
Other Schools. I considered Texas, TCU, Boise St., Utah, and BYU as well. The non-BCS schools can be considered good teams some years and cupcakes other years. Texas, I believe, doesn’t have the balls to play Cal. Ever. They did schedule Arkansas but they are, of course, down this year. I don’t think TCU and Utah have the necessary passionate fan base. Boise St. has gained tremendous popularity this decade. BYU has a passionate Mormon fan base that follows them everywhere. None of these compare to the three mentioned vida infra.
I have two more ideas that I’ll release in the coming days. Please discuss!
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I dunno, I kind of like seeing a new spate of OOC’s every year. Although I’d like to see less La Tech on the schedule.
I think latech was a 2-1 deal
two homes for us, one for them.
those are the types of arrangements we are going to be getting with more of the D-1 cupcakes.
I’d like to see us play SJ more. a) close by, natural rivalry. b) they need the $ of a big cal-tv payday. c) always a home game, as their stadium is to small.
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Oct 27, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I considered SJSU
but they don’t meat the criterions of a rivalry game. Cal would almost always win. Some people would argue we already have a meaningless Bay Area rivalry game (gasp!).
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should be criteria
“criterions” was written with my Geoge W. Bush hat on.
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I see your point
I can see the victors of the Fresno game, perhaps more than the others, be a significant recruiting advantage for either school. Colorado and Tennessee may open Cal up to venues where it has not received a large number of highly touted recruits.
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Cal-Michigan would be a good rivalry. We’re both highly rated public schools with. We also share the same colors. And we could even perform well on the road because we won’t melt under the east coast heat and humidity.
I look forward to our Ohio St matchup in 2012-2013. As long as we still have Tedford, that will be an excellent series.
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I thought Ohio St. backed out?
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They tried to and apparently there is a large cancellation fee, so they stopped.
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wow...that will be fun!
Ohio St and the Big 10 in general will likely decline as jobs dry up, families move away, and high schools consolidate. Ohio St might not be that good by 2012. Who knows?
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nice call on Michigan
it’s only a matter of time. Michigan might have done this if they were better than they are right now.
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You’re right. And, if I recall, Tedford and Rich-Rod are friendly.
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WVU, Michigan, and Cal need to have a roundtable to prove who is the BEST blue and gold team! Of course, Mich and WVU have another score to settle now, too.
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I still like the "Pat White for the love of God do something" offense
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The key here is to find a school that actually needs another rivalry, and a nonconference rivalry at that. Tennessee is probably too far away to generate enough of a rivalry. Colorado, well, who cares? Of all the ones you mentioned, Fresno State may be the best idea. Close enough that tons fo fans of each side would attend the away games. Pat Hill is sure to generate some venom. My only concern is they aren’t in a BCS conference.
Other options: BYU. Culture War!!!!!!!!!!! Wisconsin. Traditional Big-10 and Pac-10 matchup. Lots of Cal grads in the midwest. Similar cities, Madison and Berkeley.
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thanks Marshawn
Good call on Madison and Berkeley. I considered Wisconsin and have actually attended a few games at Camp Randall. Bears fans would find themselves getting drunk with Badger fans Friday night, and ALL DAY Saturday. I saw Oregon-Wisconsin…there were a few duck homos that played their Duck calls after a late and meaningless Oregon touchdown and the home fans were pretty respectful. Madison, deflates when the Badgers lose which is similar to Berkeley but much more magnified.
I remember going to a BYU-Cal game during the Justin Vedder years. LOTS of BYU fans.
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indeed
BYU was well represented at both the game in Berkeley in 2001 and the 2005 Pioneer PureVision Las Vegas Bowl.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
we might get a few
Steve Young sightings on the BYU sidelines too. Not exactly Will Ferrell and Snoop, but it’ll do!
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I should have written
I considered Mich. St. and Minnesota over Michigan and Wisconsin because these schools actually agreed to play each other either in the past or in the future. I eliminated Ohio St. because they’ll back out eventually so they can play Akron, Miami (of Ohio), and Youngstown St.
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Maybe it is also worth considering teams on our same level of tradition and promenence. We aren’t OSU, Michigan, etc. But we can compete on that level with Wisconsin and Michigan State. In my opinion, Minnesota isn’t worth it.
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True...the Golden Gophers
would not be considered as the class of the Big 10. Wisconsin, to me, feels over-rated in the preseason polls. It would be nice to hand Wisconsin it’s first loss before they play Ohio St or Michigan but after they’ve beaten a few teams.
Michigan St. is ok…sort of like Colorado in terms of mediocrity. Colorado was on top of the world with Kordell Stewart. That was many years ago (I feel old!).
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Well, I agree, the Badgers are typically overrated. Though, we should know a little about that, no?
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I was thinking that as I was writing that!
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In that case,
this is a perfect match up!
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I think Michigan State’s a consistently better program with better recruiting… they lure a lot of good players from Michigan and surrounding states
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
And they ALWAYS start off the season with a very good record
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
good point
it’s nice to have the W’s mean something and the L’s not hurt so bad.
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Javon Ringer and their QB (Heyer? Meyer? Hoyer?)
were good players (among others). Colorado…meh. Can they rebound?
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Hoyer
I was impressed with the receivers Dell and Cunningham—both were 4 star recruits iirc
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
true...but can this be a rivalry?
Is Cal vs. SEC/Big 10 schools possible? Do we need to restrict the rivalry to Western states?
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I'd like a BYU game
Because California Golden Blogs would never say no to another cougar week!
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 27, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In that case,
Get Houston on the schedule too…
I’m sure we can find a I-AA team too
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Imagine our schedule this year if all our OOC opponents were the cougars. That, coupled with our early conference game against WSU would mean we would have had 4 cougar weeks and a bye week. How awesome would that be? September would be cougar MONTH.
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by Berkelium97 on Oct 27, 2008 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Major thing against non-BCS schools
Cal wins and “well, they beat a non-BCS team” even if that team is ranked.
Cal loses and “Pac-10 loses again to the Mountain West/WAC.”
College football is a game of opinions. Beating an unranked Michigan team might be better than beating a ranked non-BCS team on the road.
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by carp on Oct 27, 2008 11:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Colorado
already has a OOC rivalry with Colorado State. They open every season with them.
I think the Buffs (with Dan Hawkins) will be back sooner rather than later, and I think the rivalry could be a fun one.
I also respectfully disagree with the notion that the drive to Boulder is “not that bad.” Having done the drive to Colorado Springs for the game at Air Force in 2004, I can tell you that it is quite a haul. It was 20 hours each way, and we were absolutely flying (I’ve got the speeding tickets to prove it).
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
it's all about who's in your car I guess
My brother goes to Air Force so we’ve done the drive a few times. However, anytime you have to drive clear across Nevada, it is surely that bad.
Dan Hawkins rant is really funny.
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that's true
it always depends on who is in your car. my companion was pretty good, actually. it was still a long drive past a whole lot of nothing, and i wouldn’t recommend it to all but the most dedicated of road trippers.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
San Jose State
We’ve apparently had talks about renewing our series with them, but the Spartans apparently won’t agree without getting some home games out of the deal, and Cal won’t play at Spartan Stadium because it is too small to hold all of the Cal fans who you know would make the trek down 880.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
well I hope that doesn't happen.
That wouldn’t be a rivalry at all. It’s like Ohio St. calling Akron a rival (more or less).
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I’m all for a weak game on the schedule, especially since the Spartans are winning games with Tomey now.
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by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I am too just as long as we don't consider it
a “Rivalry Game” and that we establish a Rivalry Game with a legitimate opponent that meets the criteria I mentioned above.
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I think Furd has a stronger rivalry with SJSU than us.
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at least we won't know who'll win
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I’m sure they could work something out if they really wanted to. 2 games in Berkeley, 2 neutral games (in SF or even at Stanford), and one game in San Jose.
Go Bears!
by RollOnYouBears667 on Oct 28, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Wisconsin
I actually like this idea a lot. Madison would be fun, and I think Wisconsin is about on a level in the Big 10 that Cal is in the Pac-10. Plus, they beat Stanfurd in the Rose Bowl, so there’s that to like.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Willingham to step down; Hill possible replacement
Wilner reports and speculates that Missouri’s Gary Pinkel, LSU’s Les Miles, and Fresno St’s Pat Hill are possible replacements.
Frankly, all three scare the $hi7 out of me.
That highlights the Cal-Fresno St. drawback I brought up: How could can Fresno St be without Pat Hill?
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that should read
How good can Fresno St be without Pat Hill?
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well
how good can Boise State be without Houston Nutt? Or Dirk Koetter? Or Dan Hawkins? Well, it seems that Chris Peterson is doing OK so far.
I think Fresno has a program and a following in the Valley that will sustain them whenever Pat Hill leaves or retires. They may not always be Top 25-caliber, but I wouldn’t automatically write them off if he leaves for UW.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
they do have a crazy good fan base
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No way Miles leaves, especially after turning down Michigan last year. Pinkel is probably too old and established to start a rebuilding project at what could best be described as a lateral move at this point. Pat HIll might be an interesting choice, however.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I'm thinking we need yellow fever to do one of his "live chats" to
discuss these candidates.
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interesting point
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enter Tedford to U-Dub speculation?
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Don’t see JT going to another school with a facilities problem at this point.
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I don't either
but it won’t stop speculation
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Michigan, Texas, Virginia
Just like a lot of the private schools seem to play each other (Duke, Vandy, Northwestern, etc.), I think it would be cool to have series with the top public schools around. Michigan, Texas and Virginia would all be at the top of my list.
I would disagree about Texas not “having the balls” to play us. They did have a home-and-home with Ohio State a couple years ago. Arkansas is an old rivalry for them, dating back to the SWC. True, most of their OOC games are lower-tier teams, but they did travel to Central Florida last year. Texas might not want to play us, but if so, I would be because of travel costs and because they wanted more home games.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Are you suggesting a 4-team agreement
where each team would rotate schools and alternate home/home? If so, I like this idea. It keeps it fresh with essentiall new teams and excellent competition. Would it be too hard to develop a “rivalry” though when you don’t play every year. Notre Dame and Michigan recently agreed to play every year for 30 years. Before that they were off/on.
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I think if you played 2 years on, 2 years off or something like that
you could develop a rivalry. Especially if the games were close and the outcomes meaningful.
A quick search for a list of “Public Ivies” also includes North Carolina and Miami (Ohio). I think UNC would be interesting (also in basketball, as if they’d play us).
Other schools also considered: Colorado, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Penn State, Pitt, and Wisconsin. Our series with Illinois was fun; I’d be for renewing that.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I figure Texas might go for a home-and-home, but not a “rivalry.” They already have like 3.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 27, 2008 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right
Michigan is probably the same way…they already have Notre Dame, as well as a steady diet of Directional Michigan on the schedule. Virginia is probably the most agreeable of the three, especially considering their main OOC rival (Virginia Tech) is now a conference rival.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
What about Wisconsin, North Carolina or Virginia, Florida, and either Texas or Colorado
I picked these schools for academic reasons and then quality football teams. Florida already has Florida St. and needs room for patsies. I’m convinced all non-Vandy schools in the SEC aren’t very good academic institutions (compared to these listed).
I feel a weird dissonance between UT football and UT academics. Sort of like Cal.
UNC and VA are ACC teams. Just saying.
Colorado, Wisconsin, and a team from the ACC sounds most likely.
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carp ventures over to Maize n Brew!
trying to get their opinion. I hope their nice people!
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it looks like no one blogs
in Michigan. Probably because there aren’t any jobs left so people can’t fuck off on the internet anymore.
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well, the SBN Michigan site has a tough road in going up against MGoBlog, one of the best college blogs on these here internets. there are a bunch of Michigan blogs out there, but if I were looking for Michigan fans, that’s where I would start.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
thanks ragnarok!
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wow...my FanPost made it to the front page
at Maize n Brew!
A great fanpost from our buddy Carp over at Cal Golden Blogs. Michigan does need a new OOC rival, or at least competitor. I’d say we’ve already got these “west coast rivalry games” with Oregon, but they keep beating us. Badly. Dammit.
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I like Midwest people! So friendly!
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I'm on a roll...
I also posted on The Ralphie Report!
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wowzers...more front page lovin'
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You’ve just been carp’rolled.
Hm, that doesn’t sound so great.
by BearsNecessity on Oct 28, 2008 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
guys...get to a computer tomorrow
I’ve got my next idea-a-brewin…
BN…does it help if I told you my first name is Rick?
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carp, good idea in theory but...
I think more big OOC games (whether you want to call them “rivalries” or not) would be good for college football in general. It would certainly spice up the first few weeks of the season, where most power teams are loading up on cupcakes. Couple of problems, though:
1. I think most would agree that it would need to be a quality school with a consistently good football program. As many have posted above, it is unlikely that people could really get fired up over repeated games with a non-BCS opponent that has little chance of winning. Problem is, most of the likely candidates already have a ton of rivalry games on their schedule as it is; Texas, for example, has Oklahoma, A&M and Texas Tech already considering it to be a “rival.” The same could be said for Michigan, Notre Dame, and almost any other school I can think of. Even Cal has “rivalry” games against $C, UCLA, and Stanford.
2. There is very little incentive to schedule a big game like that in the OOC schedule – Tennessee has been punished for traveling west twice in a row, being handed losses that arguably took the air out of their seasons. Same could be said for Clemson. Whether or not these teams were overrated to begin with, nothing will cripple you like a season-opening loss. While it is true that a rivalry gets people excited about games, it is also true that opening the season with a heartbreaking loss is equally likely to take the fans right out of it. Look at Washington – yeah, they’re not a great team to begin with but it certainly didn’t help them to kick off the season against BYU and Oklahoma.
3. Relatedly, while a lot of teams take crap for scheduling weak OOC opponents, they also end up playing a lot of ranked teams in conference. This is certainly true in the SEC and Big 12 – for the first few weeks, there were a lot of complaints about this, but once conference play started it became apparent that these teams are playing a lot of quality (and ranked) competition. The Big 10 has no excuse.
4. Also, as pointed out above, non-BCS teams like BYU, TCU, and Fresno State are lose-lose propositions, from the standpoint of the polls. A win is a valueless win against a non-BCS team, while a loss is damning proof of how bad your team and conference are. The Pac-10 will not recover this season from the damage caused by the Mountain West.
5. Such games would be played away either every year (like at a neutral site), or half the team. Hard to give up the $4 or $5 million teams like Texas, Michigan, and Wisconsin rake in at any given home team.
In all, logic dictates that its better to hand a $500,000 check to some Sun Belt or MAC team to take a beating at home – guaranteed win, home-game revenue every year, and a chance to tune up before conference play. I actually think Cal (and the Pac-10) have been braver than most in scheduling OOC games against BCS teams – sure, most aren’t “rivalries” per se, but they’re a lot more interesting than watching SEC and Big 12 teams beat up on directional schools, clown colleges, and hair styling academies.
by bearsglory on Oct 27, 2008 3:33 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I hope we schedule North Bozo The Stylist Community College sooner than later.
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How did Tennessee get punished again? and other thoughts
Last year, they lost to us early, and ended up in the SEC championship game. If anything, that game made them perform better in conference than they would have otherwise. This year, its not like they were going to end up in the National title game.
For every big OOC game you schedule there is a minuscule chance you will be “punished” by not making the national title game (but I can’t think of a time of the top of my head an early season OOC loss kept someone from a title game.) Even in 2006, we didn’t exactly have the air taken out of our season when we got grade A rocked by the Vols in Tennessee.
At the same time, OOC games are a hell of a lot of fun even when you lose. I think some logical one for Cal would be…
Huge alumni bases
Rutgers (New York)
Maryland (D.C.)
Boston College (Boston)
The Berkeley of X colleges
Texas (Austin)
Michigan (Ann Arbor)
Colorado (Boulder)
Wisconsin (Madison)
(Bonus points for all three being good public schools. No UVA because it is too hard to get to.)
I generally think the Tennessee rivalry was great. UT fans got a trip to SF/Berkeley, we got a trip to a big time college football Saturday. I would be all for more SEC home-and-homes. Hopefully starting with LSU.
A few years back their was briefly a rumor that there would be a Cal-Notre Dame series to be played in L.A. and I still think that is a genius idea all around. There are numerous other teams willing to do this with us (Texas, Michigan, etc).
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 27, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cal-Notre Dame? Yes.
In LA? Uh, who does that benefit?
by BearsNecessity on Oct 27, 2008 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone except USC.
The stadium would have about 10,000 recruits age 18 months to 18 years.
Kevin
by Tedfordisgod on Oct 27, 2008 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks TFIG
are you Kevin from TBIOOTF? If so…I’m glad you post here! I enjoyed your blog!
interesting point on the neutral site LA games.
The schools you mention always travel well and in numbers.
Before anyone knocks it, UT-OU and Florida-Georgia are played at neutral sites.
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Heh. Since we’re on the topic of neutral sites:
The Big Game—Candlestick Park/Raiders Coliseum
Cal vs UCLA or USC—somewhere in between LA and SF.
Cal vs Hawaii—an aircraft carrier
If there was a Pac-10 title game, where would it be held? I’m thinking Glendale.
by BearsNecessity on Oct 27, 2008 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m assuming you mean Glendale, AZ…
I don’t think we’re going to stop the round robin anytime soon
...nuh nuh nuh gone
by Thoroughbred on Oct 27, 2008 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
want until carp becomes the commish
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
Candlestick Park
is a traffic jam nightmare
The Raiders Coliseum is old…but they do have freeway/BART access and a helluva parking lot for tailgating activities. Plus they’d have to rent the thing and I wonder if attendance would be better than having games on campuses.
The neutral LA site idea vs big time midwest programs is intriguing though.
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
PacBell Park
which hosts the Emerald Bowl would be interesting. That could be appealing to both teams. BART is doable from Moscone and ‘furd fans would have CalTrain. Renting can’t be cheap though when they have venues for free. They’d need a gimmick like Russell White and John Elway or a reenactment of “The Play”
Two-thirds of the earth is covered by water, the other third is covered by Kotsay...in his prime...like 3 years ago.
I'm guessing this is an interesting topic...
But I got lost on the first paragraph. Rush is boring!!! blasphemy! Truly the philosophical underpinings of Ayn Rand and ten minue instrumentals can never get boring! NEVER!
In all seriousness...
I don’t think an OOC ‘rivalry’ will ever happen because of the geographic issues (unless it was San Jose St., Fresno St. or UC Davis, all of which are unapealing to most Cal fans).
But I have enjoyed how Tedford has branched out to play teams like Tennessee, Ohio St., Maryland etc., and I hope the pattern continues with teams like Michigan, West Virginia, Oklahoma, etc.
As far as I know, the Cal Band has never done Rush. But I couldn’t say for certain. It wouldn’t entirely surprise me.
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
Hey Ragnarok, he asked me. How rude. For the love of everything holy, is this how you always are, interrupting people. At the wedding when the officiant was all “Now, Wife Of Ragnarok, do you take Ragnarok to be” were you all SHE DOES SHE DOES!
No, you didnt. So, let me just answer the question, the way Olsonist intended, OK?
Now, Olsonist, As far as I know, the Cal Band has never done Rush. But I couldn’t say for certain. It wouldn’t entirely surprise me.
There. Was that so hard, Ragnarok.
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