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Post-Arizona Game Thoughts: "All the Little Things"

Alright.  I know this was a tough loss but let's not kill each other.  Things were getting a little tense in the live-blogs regarding Longshore and Riley but let's be honest with ourselves here.  This was a solid team loss.  Longshore had his share of mistakes, but so did many other players. 

elbarto83 had a good question in the live blogs:

So who is to blame for the flat offense so far?

offensive coordinator? (there’s gotta be a reason why he can’t keep his job anywhere?)
defensive coordinator? (we can’t hold their 3rd string running back to less than 3 touchdowns?)
injuries? (guyton starting? best out by 3rd quarter? michael calvin suffering?)
LONGSHORE? (huge pick 6? overthrowing open receivers?… although his 2 tds were pretty brilliant)
receivers? (dropping SEVERAL passes? Boateng connecting with Longshore but making Riley look bad?)
… even Tedford? (for sticking with Longshore? bad game plan? not shooting the treesitters out himself?

Let's take a look at what went wrong on offense first of all.

(1) Offense Coordinator at fault? 

This is the first game this year where I truly truly disagreed with the way Cignetti was adapting to what the defense was giving him.  It appeared as if Cignetti wanted to establish the run early on - which is understandable considering Arizona got beat by teams who ran the ball on them.  But as the game progressed, you could clearly see that Arizona was dropping a safety into the strong side of the box (8 men in the box) to play the run. Arizona dropped the safety down to the strong side because Cal does have a large tendency to run strong side.

Cal countered by running plays weak-side.  The results were sub-par. 

I really would have liked to see more passing plays called up by Cignetti instead of those run plays.  Arizona was daring us to pass with 8 men in the box.  We took our shots down the field but I wanted to take more mid-range shots around the field.  As crazy as it might sound, I really would have preferred somewhere from a 66% to 75% pass play percentage for the playcalling.   It was fairly clear that our running game wasn't effective.

While Cal did average 4.8 yards a rush which is okay, if you take away Best's one long TD run, Cal averaged about 2 yards a run which is downright horrible. 

So I feel like Cignetti failed to adjust to Arizona's gameplan.  Arizona was playing to stop the run and daring us to pass.  I feel we should have passed more and started passing more earlier on.

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(2) Defensive Coordinator at fault for not being able to hold Arizona's 3rd string RB under 100 yards and letting him get 3 TDs?

Well, I don't think the problem this game was Gregory so much as it was our players.  We missed tackles left and right.  We'd hit the Arizona RB, and he'd squeeze out 3 to 4 more yards after the initial contact, and getting stopped.  Defensively, we missed tackles left and right. 

The fact that the person doing the gashing of us was Arizona's 3rd RB is meaningless.  It doesn't matter that he was their 3rd RB.  The holes that he found were from great Arizona run blocking and our defensive players not getting to the holes fast enough.  Today wasn't about some crappy 3rd string RB killing us.  Today was about defensive players not making tackles and filling gaps (along with some good Arizona run blocking).

(3) Injuries?  (guyton starting? best out by 3rd quarter? michael calvin suffering?)

Sure, not having Rulon probably hurt.  Guyton is a freshman.  Not having Best hurts.  Sure, not having Calvin hurts.  These are all factors but I think they aren't as big of factors for today's loss than many other reasons (such as offensive playcalling, and defensive player performance). 

(4) LONGSHORE? (huge pick 6? overthrowing open receivers?… although his 2 tds were pretty brilliant)

Somebody asked me in the live-blog what I would give Longshore for his first half performance.  I said a "B" was probably a fair grade.

Unfortunately, things went south after Longshore's pick-6.

About the pick-6.  Here's what happened.  Arizona was playing run with 8 men in the box.  Longshore changed the play to a pass play (short comebacks).  The defender was playing the WR tight, jammed the WR, and the WR was not open.  At that moment, Longshore should have thrown the ball nice and high - like 50 ft high - and into the stands (thrown the ball away).  Instead, Longshore failed to check his other options, and then threw an extremely late pass which was pick-6ed.  This was a horrible decision. 

After that, Longshore didn't quite appear the same.  He did appear to be second guessing himself and like he had lost some confidence. 

Arizona wasn't helping things.  They immediately began blitzing Longshore's backside (Cal offense's left side) to pressure him and get in his brain.  Longshore threw two good passes after his INT.  The sideline completion to Morrah and the almost-TD pass to the WR in the endzone.  But after that he appeared mentally shaken, and his passes were slightly off. 

I think we can all agree that Longshore did alright up until the pick-6.  After that though, he just wasn't the same. 

So sure, Longshore had a hand in today's loss but he was only a contributing factor and not the sole factor.

(5) receivers? (dropping SEVERAL passes? Boateng connecting with Longshore but making Riley look bad?)

Yes, the WRs had a pretty bad day.  Drops left and right like the ball was on fire or something.  A few of the passes to the WRs (from both Longshore and Riley) were off-target.  Nevertheless, the WRs were able to get two hands on the ball but still dropped them.  If the WRs can get two hands on the ball, they HAVE to catch those balls. 

Today, the WRs weren't catching the balls regardless of how well or slightly off-target they were thrown.

(6) … even Tedford? for sticking with Longshore? bad game plan? not shooting the treesitters out himself?

Well, any loss is Tedford's fault to an extent for not getting the team prepared - but then of course Tedford can only do so much.  Then it's up to the players to actually perform on the field. 

But was Tedford at fault for sticking with Longshore so long?  No.  I don't think so.  Longshore was fine up until the pick-6.  Longshore got one last series to prove he could shake it off but his results were average.  He did have a few good throws, but he also had some off-target easy throws. 

So I think Tedford was fair on his timing to pull Longshore. 

Now the next question.  Who starts against UCLA? 

I think Tedford, just like last week, sees who shows they have a better grasp of the UCLA gameplan and can execute the gameplan better.  Longshore showed that tonight, he could be a serviceable QB, but also that he's still capable of making that one horrible play.  Riley, to be fair to him, did come into the game cold, but he also didn't look great.  Riley threw a late and high pass to Morrah which led to an INT.  Riley threw a pass beyond the LOS.  Riley wasn't checking down to his short options when the deep WRs were covered.  On the positive side, just like Longshore, he did have some nice throws too.  Riley had good footwork to help his throwing motion. 

Overall, I'd give Longshore a "C-".  I arrive at Longshore's grade by giving him a "B" for the first half, and a "D" for the second half.   Riley would get a "C."

(7) Final Thoughts

The title of this post is "All the Little Things." 

The announcers said it all night long, and they were right.  Cal made lots of little errors, and a few big ones, and the game slipped away.

To wit: (i) 6 penalties for 49 yards; (ii) 2 INTs; (iii) dropped balls by the receivers; (iv) poor run blocking; (v) missed tackles; (vi) blown coverages; (vii) slightly off-target passes by both QBs leading to tougher catches and incompletion; (viii) non-existent pass rush on Tuitama; (ix) Conte dropping a gift INT; (x) missed FG.

All these little things added up. 

This was truly a very great example of a team loss. 

Offensively, we needed to pass more early on when Arizona was stacking the box.  Both QBs needed to make better throws.  All the receivers needed to make catches.  The OL's run blocking was pretty poor. 

Defensively, we needed a much better pass rush from our DL and what LBs were also rushing Tuitama.  The defensive players needed to do a better job making tackles.  Defensive players weren't filling gaps at the point of attack and allowed cutback lanes to form.  I would have liked Gregory to stick with more zone coverages (he did use mostly zone coverage, but when he didn't Arizona took advantage of our man coverage). 

So many things went wrong in this game.  A true "team loss" in my opinion.

I know this was a tough loss for many of us, but let's stay cool and not kill each other on the blogs or message boards.  We were beating ourselves today out there (UA played a good game too but we were hardly helping ourselves). 

Let's not give up on the season. 

Most of us expected an 8 or 9 win season.  We're 4-2 right now.  We still have a very good chance at meeting "par" for the 2008 season. 

Don't give up on the 2008 Bears.  Stay positive.  Let's not kill each other.

Go Bears!

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I agree.

my thought is we lose again to OSU, U$c, and stanford (away games and big game). win the rest and finish 7-5, good for the lv bowl or something.

Go Bears Go

by Rocksanddirt on Oct 20, 2008 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Lose to Stanford at home? Que disasteridad!

I'm no The Maharg! But I try. Oh, how I try!

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by TwistNHook on Oct 20, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wait a second, that doesn’t average right.
B for two quarters + D- for three quarters/3=…C-?

Are you grading on a curve Hydro? You must really want Brock Mansion in.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 18, 2008 11:46 PM PDT reply actions  

If Brock started, he would have pass blocked for himself and thrown TD passes to himself.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

A matter of expectations.

I expected Longshore to do just ok. Not enough to be a game-winner, but not enough to lose the game for us. Scoring 27 points is ok.

I expected the defense to be shutdown. I expected them to limit yards after catch, to tackle the RB within five yards. Giving up 35 points is not ok. While I recognize that the whole team did badly, I was more disappointed in the defense.

Anyway, like I mentioned in the last thread, at this point I’ll try to enjoy each game one game at a time. Any thoughts about post-season implications will wash off me like water off a duck.

by sec119 on Oct 18, 2008 11:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the receivers stepped it up tonight. They bailed Longshore out of some horrible passes.

I think when there are a bunch of small mistakes that add up, you have to blame it on the head coach.

by The Hombre on Oct 18, 2008 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

WHa???? I thought they dropped passes left and right. Granted, a lot of passes they dropped weren’t perfect. But catching those balls would denote ‘stepping it up’; not catching those means they were mediocre.

by sec119 on Oct 18, 2008 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

WE lost, to, to, Arizona…. I have officially fallen off the wagon, the drinking wagon that is. Good post Hydro. I swore I would never be as hurt as I was last year, but I feel downright awful tonight. How weird, I am drunk but have very little to say…

GO BEARS!

by CaliSeth on Oct 18, 2008 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Arizona, like Maryland, is probably going bowling.

It sucks now, but in retrospect it won’t look so bad.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 18, 2008 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Any team that loses to Stanfurd and then beats us, looks bad. Period. There is no way to spin this in a positive light. We lost to a team we had no business losing to.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Disagree, but I’m not going to convince you about this, so we’ll lay it to rest.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I heart you Avi. You’re a good guy. You stick with the Bears through thick and thin, seemingly always with an unflappable smile on your face.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Seth.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hydro, your so professional. I really admire you. Please, tell us faithful fans how you, as our esteemed resident blogger this evening, feel? How do you feel, emotionally?

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

sic, “you’re so professional.” Damn the scotch whiskey!

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sad we lost, but I really don’t get mad when we lose. I used to. But not any more. What’s my secret? I think you just have to accept the fact that players mistakes happen, and losses happen. If you can accept that fact, you don’t get as mad and take losses so hard.

Don’t get me wrong, I want to win just as much as all of us here. But I just temper my expectations. I don’t expect every pass to be completed. I expect players to make mistakes occasionally. I hope they don’t, but I know they will, and thus when it happens I really don’t get pissed or mad.

Honestly, the thing that upsets me the most about the loss is not Longshore, or Riley, or Tedford, or the offensive players or defensive players but Cignetti. I HIGHLY HIGHLY HIGHLY disagreed with how he handled what UA was doing.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hydro, for a kid....

You have such a firm grasp on life. Getting mad really serves no purpose. Thank you Hydro, you are a Zen Master! Tonight, you officially become a MAN! Becoming a man has many responsibilities, and I am confident you will continue to make me proud.

P.S. What are we going to do about Cignetti? I agree, the play calling was atrocious. No wonder Tedford was so reluctant to relinquish it….

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of college teams that run Tedford’s pro style scheme, but seem to do more with it. It is the scheme, the personnel, a bit of everything?

by turkey on Oct 19, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m hungry as fluck. You better be careful tonight, Turkey, lol……………..

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I bought some In-N-Out, I’m about to feel much better.

If only Berkeley had an In-N-Out. Cal would be ten times happier.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which one did you go to? Pinole?

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Double double animal style plox

by Itchy25 on Oct 19, 2008 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Davis. A few blocks from the family home.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m watching the Godfather II on Blu-Ray. It looks really great.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem with the receivers is we seem to have 50 of them. We need to get three or four who are solid and stick with them.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do we have three or four who are solid?

Young, Boateng, and Morrah are good, but have shown to be very inconsistent. Michael Calvin is out for the year. Marvin Jones (who Tedford said was going to start playing more) has one catch all season. Best is good as a receiver, but he can’t function as a receiver enough to be a reliable contributor. So far, it looks like Cunningham is the only one who seems to be doing consistently well this season. And, unfortunately, he’s graduating this year.

ಠ_ಠ

by Berkelium97 on Oct 19, 2008 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cunningham dropped a few.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

But haven't we chosen our top 3-4?

Boateng, Young, Cunningham, and Tucker. Are there others that we’re using?… Oh, Ross. Hmm… choosing 3 out of those 5 is tough considering none are heads and shoulders above the others.

I guess I’d choose Cunningham, Boateng, and well… I don’t know who else to choose between Ross, Tucker, or Young. Perhaps Tucker.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

We're like the Warriors with our receivers

We have a bunch of players who perform many of the same functions and have similar weaknesses over the board. (If anyone looks at GS’s roster you could laugh at the number of undersized power forwards and players at the 2-3 they have)

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like our stable of running backs

They’re all 5’10" and 192-198 lbs.

ಠ_ಠ

by Berkelium97 on Oct 19, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Every time I want to believe in Boateng, my hopes get dashed. (Not for faint of heart).

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, WTF is he doing dropping Riley passes? Does he have some secret pact with Longshore. Just kidding.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jesus....

WTF are you trying to do with that video?!? That was fucking terrible! I guess you made your point, I felt the same way tonight….

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

that video is ridic. Sort of funny, and sort of not funny.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, if only comments were deletable. Now I’m embarrassed it’s up there.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I could delete it

But then all the responses would get deleted too. We don’t want to do that!

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, no, we needed to see that. We need to feel pain tonight.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tucker seemed like he had the best hands that game. Boateng looked good too except for that strip at the goaline.

by OskiMonsta on Oct 19, 2008 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Pete

Yes, I agree that we need to be realistic about expectations. Living in a conference with USC, I think many of our fans expect us to perform like them. But as you said, Cal isn’t USC. We aspire to be them, and hope to be like them, but we’re not and shouldn’t raise our expectations to an unrealistic USC level.

Many fans often mistake that argument as saying we’re settling for less than perfect, but I don’t think that’s an accurate statement. We definitely hope to be like USC someday, but until we are, we can’t have USC type expectations.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think we have USC expectations

We play poorly on the road. Period. We are 0.56 on the road (well less now) and 0.75 at home. We’ve played poorly in both quality opponent road games.

Our remaining road games are OSU and USC. If we play as we have our last two road games, that’s two losses. We’re looking at 1-4 on the road. That’s pretty bad. And that not an expectation issue. That’s a problem. This is looking like it is a rebuilding year.

My main takeaways from being at the game were:
- the teams were very evenly matched. I’d say they win most games at home, and we’d win most at Memorial if we could play a number of times. However, I find that an indication not of Arizona’s strength but rather our weakness.
- this was a game of tremendous momentum. We had the chance to put distance with a stop here, a tc rather than fg there, but as normal we did not and let them back into the game. That is a problem especially on the road.
- the reciever drops were very costly. Between the young receivers and the qb struggles, this seems like a rebuilding year to me.
- Nate was getting noticeably less effective before the pick six. I think jt kept him on too long by a couple series.

by tmoran3020 on Oct 19, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

The percentages were over the tedford years btw.

by tmoran3020 on Oct 19, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also have to ask Niners fans

What was Cignetti like for the Niners? I focused on the Fresno State part of his career, but I’m starting to think that SF situation is comparable to what’s happening with our QB accuracy.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:12 AM PDT reply actions  

AU coaches reactions....

Can anyone fill me in on the coaches and AU player reactions to the end of the game? I ashamedly admit I did not watch the game to its conclusion, it was just too painful…

Did those jerks try to tear down the goal posts again?!? Did that worthless Stoops run out onto the field helping them?

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

I turned it off right when the game ended, but there was at least one TV shot of a phalanx of cops in front of the field goal, fwiw.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is UofA not AU.

And no they did not try to tear down the goal posts because this does not make their season. They have bigger fish to fry.

I am Cameron Wood and this is my son and business partner CW Culberson.

by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

The commentators were saying UA students were on the field prior to the game ending. I guess they were sort of preparing to rush the field?

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I watched it an there was no rushing of the field.

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

It didn’t look like the 2006/07 upsets. There were some people jumping over the wall, but I don’t know if they were going on the field.

There was a lot of security everywhere. I think it was one of those pseudo rush the field things, like Cal after Tennessee.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that offers some small piece of solace. Thank you.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

there was a delayed rush, and it wasn’t very big. i’ve got pictures. pretty lame, if you ask me. no reason to rush the field, especially given that vegas called this game a pick ’em to open their betting lines.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Oct 20, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the Yahoo Pick em ‘distribution’, it says 75% of people picked Cal. Is that just for the CGB group, or more? B/c who were those 25% that didn’t pick Cal? I guess it makes sense to play to win, and some years they’ve been really bad at not covering, but at the same time, I can’t ever pick against them.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s the entire nation, not just CGB.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

i was the only person in the CGB group to pick Arizona. and i’ve got a special reason for that.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Oct 20, 2008 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loyalty?

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Oct 20, 2008 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah

actually, last week someone wondered aloud if someone would take sagarin’s predictor rankings, come up with what he would consider the difference in the teams’ power ratings, and use that to make their pick ‘em choices. i decided to take him up on that challenge, and since sagarin’s predictor considered Cal @ Arizona basically a pick’em, i took arizona and the points.

btw, i went 9/18 last week doing that, which is to say, just as good as chance.

So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!

by ragnarok on Oct 20, 2008 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a kid who grew up in the East Bay but went to the UofA, I will say...

This was a bad situation for Cal. Cal was supposed to win this game because they are probably the better all around team. What went largely unnoticed was the fact that UofA has ball hawks in their secondary, a d-line that can’t handle big backs but seems to be able to contain smaller ones, and an offense that is rarely held in check two games in a row.

That being said, Cal still should have won this game but the Cats utilized their weapons well in the second half and got a great game out of a true freshman. That’s it.

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 12:44 AM PDT reply actions  

My point exactly. We seem incapable of making second half adjustments. Not just against AU, but a slew of other games. Why is this?

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That probably comes from QB shuffling

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, very good. That is why we need to stick with Riley and deal with it. This ship can still be righted, but only with Riley. And hey, even if we lose with Riley, just think of next year! Nate is a great person, but his time has sadly passed. Look, I wish Nate was the next Aaron Rodgers, but it didn’t work out like that.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

The fact is, neither of our qbs are that good right now, and they look a lot worse because of our inexperienced receivers. And if the goal is to win next year, I don’t think anyone would argue that Riley should be the starter.

I, however, can’t fault Tedford for trying to win this year, and if he thinks it should be Nate or a Nate/Riley hybrid to play instead of just Riley, so be it.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

But I think they may have a better chance of winning if they were able to settle the QB situation. I can't think of many teams that can overcome that.

And it is not as if one comes in to compliment the other. This is not a symbiotic relationship.

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's fine

but how many Cal games have you seen this year? Riley didn’t look good against WSU, Maryland, or CSU, and he wasn’t splitting time then.

If you’re just using this game as a snapshot in time, then I can see how you might reach that conclusion. But only watching a single game against your personal team probably isn’t the best way to come to sweeping generalizations and conclusions.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I have watched four of them. It seems as if they don't know who to look to.

I would take Riley taking his lumps for the first half over a QB carousel. I just don’t think teams respond well to that.

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say this puts the cart before the horse. While the perception might be that teams don’t respond well to a QB carousel, in reality the QB carousel means that the team isn’t very good to begin with.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

Teams don’t do well when they change QBs? I think you can say that the QB carousel means that the QBs are not very good to begin with.

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by camwoody on Oct 19, 2008 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

When I say that the team isn’t very good to begin with, this includes the mediocrity of the QBs. Obviously, if at least one of the QBs was really awesome, there’d be no carousel, and the team would do well.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

perhaps

at every other position, you can rotate players and get many people reps. When you have two qbs who are perfoming about equally, you probably need to do the same. Unfortunately, neither qb has really separated himself.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it comes more from the fact that these WRs have little to no rapport with either QB. On last year’s team, even though there apparently were some WR problems, those WRs had all played with Longshore the prior year (2006). And thus there was plenty of familiarity with each other. But we don’t have that this year.

One on particular play, JT reamed Boateng after an incomplete pass because Boateng apparently didn’t cross the face of the defender. Another mistake due to inexperience.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

No.

This is due to the fact that only 1 of our receivers has played before this year. We (Cal fans who follow the team) knew that our receivers would be green, but I think eveyone’s surprised at how out of sync we often are.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure they are green, but are you trying to say that the passes they have received, be it from Riley or Longshore, have been highly accurate? I don’t know. Looking back on the season I see many of the passes way off the mark, be it Riley or Longshore. I think this is more of a QB issue.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Our QB’s can’t hit them in the numbers. I think we are asking too much of our WR’s. It’s not like we have tha1, the Hawk and Jordan.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

true enough

QBs certainly haven’t been great (nor particularly good, save Riley versus MSU). But there have been a ton of dropped balls (7-10 tonight alone?), and “inaccurate” throws are not always the fault of the QB. Most passes are thrown before a receiver comes out of his break, so if the routes are sloppy, an accurate pass will be off relative to the receiver.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is the recievers coach this year?

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kevind Daft

Last year’s QB coach.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

WTF is he doing coaching the receivers? God help us…

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

actually

JT thinks it’s beneficial having a former QB coach teach WRs and I agree. The reasoning is that the former QB can teach the WRs what the QB is thinking and looking for, thus they can better anticipate what the QB will do.

I do suppose having a player who wasn’t a WR coach WRs can make for a lack of knowledge in technique, but I do like the idea of giving WRs more of a mental boost from a former QB.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love you Hydro, but come on, how well has this worked out for us thus far?

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

not well

but we’re not sure if it not working out well is from Daft not being a WR coach, or the QB problems, or the WRs’ inexperience. I mean, there’s a couple factors for why the WRs haven’t been great. Are we totally sure it’s just Daft?

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know the Ferigno guy got fired last year. Whoever took over is blowing it. I agree. The receivers are running sloppy routes.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that though

again, they’re young and inexperienced. They make mistakes. Wide Receiver is a notoriously tricky position, and to expect this entirely new wide receiver corp to set the world on fire isn’t realistic.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you say our WR’s have massive raw talent? And if so would you, with a straight face, entrust that talent to that bozo Daft of all people? Jesus, hire Chase Lyman!

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Remember though, that this is college football. People improve a lot as they mature, as opposed to starting college as a finished product.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah come on. I am not saying that he is an idiot, but he is clearly failing in a very lofty position. To put him as the WR coach makes little to no sense, especially considering our youth at the position. Why hire a baby (young man) to teach babies (young men.)

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's not clearly failing

And you (nor I really, for that matter) would truly know if he is. Do you know if the receivers are running the right routes, and if they’re precise? I would have to watch a lot of film pretty closely and know a lot more than I do before I could make that assertion.

Furthermore, the hiring of a “baby” seems to be working pretty well for our DLine, especially considering that “baby” (Tosh Lupoi) is younger than Daft and the players he is coaching (Rulon Davis, AluAlu, for example) are by and large older and more experienced than the receivers.

Again, the receivers are young. 6 games is not enough time to judge the new coach.

Seth, you know everyone loves you for the illogical drunk poster that you are, but maybe taking a more measured approach and avoiding grandiose conclusions would do you a bit of good.

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. Goodnight my friend….

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Night

<WINK!>

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by CBKWit on Oct 19, 2008 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

It is very hard to pinpoint the responsibility for our offensive problems. There seem to be an inordinate number of passes that are just off (a bit behind or too high) that result in drops and incompletions. It seems to happen with both QBs. Guys just don’t seem like they are on the same page.

I think we knew that our passing game would take a little while to click this year. But I thought at this point in the season we would be further along. Until we can pass consistently, we will see 8-9 in the box all day.

by OskiMonsta on Oct 19, 2008 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Truly good WRs will make those catches. That is why wide receivers are wide receivers. Any old joe can catch a pass thrown directly to him. Wideouts are special because they supposedly have the ability to catch whatever is thrown their way.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 19, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily agree.

The Oregon 2007 game and Armed Forces Bowl game were two instances where we made notable adjustments that won the games for us (though the AFB game was a second-quarter adjustment).

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by Berkelium97 on Oct 19, 2008 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was in 2007, right? What year are we in? Not trying to be condescending, just asking.

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn’t it 2050 and Doug Quaid is having delusions about vacationing on Mars?

by Itchy25 on Oct 19, 2008 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

OK Guys, I'm off to bed............

Gonna watch SportsCenter, I’m pretty sure they’ll show our game. I love you guys. Astsa mananana….

GO BEARS!

by CaliSeth on Oct 19, 2008 1:36 AM PDT reply actions  

nite seth, sweet dreams

by Itchy25 on Oct 19, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was my fault, guys, sorry

For the first half, I was at a restaurant with TVs, so I had my friend text me scores. All right, up 24-14! Then in the 2nd half, out waiter finally let us change the channel on the TV. Instantly 28 Az points. Game over.

My bad.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 19, 2008 3:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Not just you, Spazzy

I was at dinner for the first half: no TVs, Cal up 24-14. Dinner over, I started to head to the bar to watch the game: 24-21. I arrive at the bar: Bears drive sputters, results in a FG instead of a TD, 27-21. I settle in to watch from a good vantage point: 21 unanswered Wildcat points.

Sorry, everyone.

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by Calfan on Oct 19, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I said this game was a turning point for Cal and Longshore. Unfortunately, both took the wrong turn.

As a team, we once again choked on the opportunity to prove we can win a key game on the road. We really look like a different team on the road. I was so disappointed by our D. Not so much the passing, which I expected to an extent, but we tackled so poorly.

I’m sad to say that Nate will go down, somewhat unfairly, as a guy who throws the pick-6 under pressure. Nate played a nice 1H, but he just seems to have meltdown moments.

IMO, this looks like a Sun Bowl team. I would play Riley at this point, although he has not really outplayed Nate. But he has more upside for the rest of the year and next. We will be tough at home, but soft on the road.

by OskiMonsta on Oct 19, 2008 4:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I almost agree

We know what we’re going to get out of Nate: a solid but not spectacular senior quarterback who almost guarantees us a victory at home, assuming that the Bears don’t implode on defense and special teams. On the road, however, Nate’s almost equally as certain to make enough bad plays to ensure the loss.

I say it’s still too soon to call this a “rebuilding” year and begin playing for 2009. Not only are the Bears in a virtual 5-way tie for first in the Pac-10, but there are too many seniors (Felder, Follett, Mack, Will T, et al.) who deserve to have their Rose Bowl dreams kept on life support for at least another week. And I think that Longshore probably gives the Bears a better chance—by an admittedly small margin—to win the next two weeks. But unless he suddenly plays lights out against the Bruins and Ducks, then I’d roll the dice with Riley on the road at SC. At some point, however, the QB situation will probably resolve itself due to injury. I’m not wishing for that, but it seems to be a reasonable expectation.

My biggest concern is that the Bears faithful actually remain faithful and support whichever guy is under center. Arizona clearly fed off their crowd last night. The quick score to open the second half absolutely killed the Bears, not only because it slashed the lead to 3 but also because it gave momentum back to the home side and 7 points quickly multiplied into 28. When teams are as evenly matched as they are in the Pac-10 this year, home-field advantage makes a HUGE difference. And for the next two weeks, the Bears have it. Let’s use it!!

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Oct 19, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, THAT sucked

You know, it seems to me that all this talk of receivers, Longshore, dropped passes, injuries, etc etc etc would be moot (or at least, less relevant), if our defense were able to, oh, I don’t know, make a tackle.

I can only remember two or three times (both involving Worrell Williams) where that little tailback for Zona got brought down on first contact. And I honestly don’t recall a single instance where their receivers were brought down where they caught the ball. It was as if the entire Cal defense had forgotten how to tackle.

Giving up 21 (offensive) points in the 3rd is what lost this game for us, not Longshore. Oh, he didn’t play well, but this loss is not on him or Cignetti or anyone else.

Over all, the better team won yesterday. Zona played better, harder, more consistently, and at a higher level. I’m disappointed at the loss, but it was a fair cop.

Go Bears!

by SoCal Oski on Oct 19, 2008 8:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I always try to look for the silver lining. I am an optimistic person by nature and like to dwell on the positive things, even if there are many more negative things.

It is difficult to find a lot of positives from this game, esp. if Best reinjured his arm. Does anybody know any information regarding that?

This is the type of game similar to last year’s UDub game. Where Longshore didn’t play amazingly (far from it), but he wasn’t exactly the only reason for the unfortunate failure.

The only silver lining I can see I think this will help this site. I have certainly put a lot of my employer’s time into this website and always want the discourse to be reasoned. Sometimes there are some who come here and make wild accusations about Nate Longshore and Kevin Riley. The only silver lining I can see is that hopefully going forward we can have a more reasoned discussion about whether to go with Longshore or Riley.

And if that’s the best silver lining I can think of, it was a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD game.

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by TwistNHook on Oct 19, 2008 8:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Silver Lining

Fantastic second quarter on both sides of the ball—after Arizona had a huge momentum swing in its favor. What made the second half extra disappointing for me, was that I thought the Bears had successfully weathered the storm, going from 14-7 down to 24-14 up at halftime. But then the defense lays an egg to start the second half, despite the home crowd being totally out of it. I swear I could hear Sonoran Desert crickets during that first series of the third quarter, the stadium was so quiet. To give up a score so quickly, and let the Wildcats back in the game, was just inexcusable.

Go Bears!

by California Pete on Oct 19, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The silver lining is we play UA at home next year.

by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 19, 2008 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, note the Insta-Polls. Cal starts off with many very and moderately wells. Then, the “Going Into The 4th Quarter” one rolls around and very poorly vaults into the lead. Not rocket science to figure out why that happened, but just very interesting to me.

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by TwistNHook on Oct 19, 2008 8:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Also, any suggestions or comments on the open threads? Things seemed to work well, including the afore-mentioned InstaPolls. But we are ALWAYS open to any suggestions or reasoned criticism.

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by TwistNHook on Oct 19, 2008 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Needs more Party Yacht!

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not enough Greek references

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the biggest concern is the second half

As alluded to earlier in this thread, I think that the biggest problem is our lack of second half adjustments, or effective ones, I should say. This seems to be a problem that has been chronically affecting the team for a while now. It seems that the way we usually win is to beat the other team in the first half and then pray that the lead holds against the other team’s second half surge. I can’t recall too many games where we were trailing at the half and came back to win. Does anyone have the stats for how many points we score in the first half versus the second half in general? I’d bet those numbers are pretty telling.

Anyways, I guess the one “good” thing to come out of this loss (and the other season-changing losses from previous years) is that I won’t feel as much pressure when watching Cal play. I know technically we could still go to the Rose Bowl if a couple of things went our way but now I know that the reality is that we probably won’t this season. That said, for better or for worse, I’ll still be trying to watch as many games as I physically can out here in the midwest, still rooting for a victory each and every singe time.

by Mister Pie on Oct 19, 2008 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Looking for Answers

I would like to read Hydro’s thoughts on the following issues:

The main running play that killed was the same play used by Maryland: Slot reciever or RB lines up next to the tight end, back or receiver goes in motion towards tight end, hand-off to RB to tight end side where Cals defense is undermanned. Cal needs to either shift the defensive line or move their LBs to handle the overload to the tight end side. This play kills us every time. This looks like a coaching problem.

Why didn’t Tedford (or the officials) call for review of the Boateng drop (catch and fumble) at the goal line? Why didn’t he/they review the safety non-call at Maryland? These were momentum changers that signifcantly affected both games, IMO.

Morrah is a good receiver but a huge liability for run blocking. Given that none of the other receivers has really stepped up, why not move Morrah to wide receiver or the slot receiver and put in someone who can block? Not just at the goal line, but most of the time. We did this last year when we basically used Stevens as a run blocker. We are never going to establish the run against a decent team when our tight end can’t block.

I agree we should pass more when the other team stacks 8 in the box, but we should also try more screens, dumps to the FB and RB, delay draws, etc. when they start blitzing and Longshore’s sphincter starts constricting. The screen worked pretty well against ASU (except for the bonehead interception). Keep the defense honest and keep the pressure off the QB. It seemed like we ran the delay draw with reasonable success last year with Forsett.

You could see this freight train coming even in the first quarter when the defense could not stop Az except when they turned the ball over, and the offense could not establish the run and kept trying (inexplicably) to run wide where Az has good speed and good tacklers. We needed to exploit their lack of size but couldn’t.
 

by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Oct 19, 2008 9:08 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't know about Boateng's fumble

But the Maryland non-call on the safety was reviewed. Tedford even called a timeout to make sure there was enough time because everyone in the stadium, the announcers, and everyone watching on TV knew that was a safety. Everyone, that is, except the replay officials and the call was not overturned. Unfortunately, using that timeout there with the reasonable expectation of it paying off in two points meant that we had one less TO later on. This meant we had to settle for a FG from the hash, which we missed, instead of the another shot (or two) at the end zone. But you’re right, not getting the safety was a huge momentum swinging play.

by Nashville on Oct 19, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maryland Safety

This was Tedford’s explanation of the Maryland safety non-call as reported by The Daily Californian:

“They said that they were reviewing it. We called timeout right then. I was going to call a timeout then, anyway. Probably should have used a challenge there because I would’ve lost a timeout anyhow, and we were going to call one, and they said no, it wouldn’t matter because they’re reviewing it anyway upstairs.”

I take from these comments that the officials said that they were going to review the play but didn’t, and Tedford wished he had challenged the ruling because he was going to call timeout anyway. Also, I never saw an official say "After further review, the ruling on the field . . . "

by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Oct 19, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there is some confusion here

Every play in college football is reviewed. The officials only halt the game when they believe there is a reasonable doubt. The 2007 rulebook spells this out:

The replay official and his crew shall review every play of a game. He
may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play
(Exception: Rule 12-3-3-i) whenever he believes that:
1. There is reasonable evidence to believe an error was made in the
initial on-field ruling.
2. The play is reviewable.
3. Any reversal of an on-field ruling, which would result from
indisputable video evidence, would have a direct, competitive impact
on the game.

So, just because the game was not stopped doesn’t mean the play was not reviewed. I think JT’s timeout related more to the fact that he did not want the ball to be “legally put in play” before the officials had a chance to review the evidence. Unfortunately, they were incompetent and could not tell their a** from a hole in the ground, and let this critical blown call stand.

by Nashville on Oct 19, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK, then check out this article

The Daily Californian (Matt Kawahara) laid the blame on Tedford:

http://www.dailycal.org/article/102618/hill_tedford_no-call_was_a_safety

Accroding to the article:

“It is the job of a replay official in the press box to immediately review every play of the game, and Rule 5, Section 12 of the 2008 edition of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations says that, "He may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play,” when he sees “reasonable evidence” that an error was made in the on-field ruling.

No review was called for.

On Sunday, after having a day to review the tape, Tedford was direct when asked about the play.

“That was a safety,” he said."

OK, so some 85-year old numbnut official in the press box either didn’t review the play, or reviewed the play and didn’t see a problem, or was drinking coffee and missed it. Kawahara says the officials on the field did not call for a review (Why should they? All plays are supposedly reviewed anyway). Tedford says the officals on the field told him they were reviewing the play. Tedford doesn’t throw the red flag for review because a) he was told they are reviewing the play, and b) he was going to call a time out anyway.

I say Tedford screwed up by not anticipating that the dumbass officials would screw this up, and thereby should have thrown the red flag anyway. What did he have to lose? He wanted a timeout anyway.

Additionally, I have two questions regarding the “NCAA reviews every play” assertion; 1) why is there a red flag for the coaches review if all plays are reviewed anyway (if the flag is thrown, the answer should quickly be “we already reviewed it, dumbass) and 2) when and why do the officials say "after further review, the play on the field . . . etc.” Is it only when play is stopped? So if Tedford doesn’t call the timeout, do they stop play and say “after further review . . .?”

After my further review, I say that was a safety and both Tedford and the officiating crew screwed up. However, despite this little transgression, I like Tedford and think that any numbnut/dumbass who thinks Cal should dump him must be stoopid or on drugs or from SC.

by Fair Weather Cal Fan on Oct 19, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

"It is the job of a replay official in the press box to immediately review every play of the game, and Rule 5, Section 12 of the 2008 edition of NCAA Football Rules and Interpretations says that, "He may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play," when he sees "reasonable evidence" that an error was made in the on-field ruling.

No review was called for…

OK, so some 85-year old numbnut official in the press box either didn’t review the play, or reviewed the play and didn’t see a problem, or was drinking coffee and missed it. Kawahara says the officials on the field did not call for a review (Why should they? All plays are supposedly reviewed anyway)

The only authorities that can halt on field action are the replay officials in the booth, who communicate their decision to the referee by activating a buzzer on his belt, or the coach, by issuing a challenge flag for whatever reason he pleases. This is conjecture, but what I assume to have happened against Maryland is that the replay officials reviewed the play and for some reason, did not see fit to halt play. I might be mistaken on this, but I think they only base their decision on a single replay. It is only after halting play do they examine other angles. If I am right about that then you have your explanation for why a coach’s challenge exists.

Two things worth remembering for the ‘after further review’ commentary by officials is a) the referee does not initiate the further review, the replay officials in the press box do. And b) the referee is not the one who completes the review, the replay officials in the press box do. The referee’s only function during instant replay is to act as a conduit to communicate the replay officials’ decision to the fans/coaches/announcers/television audience.

by Nashville on Oct 20, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

The main running play that killed was the same play used by Maryland: Slot reciever or RB lines up next to the tight end, back or receiver goes in motion towards tight end, hand-off to RB to tight end side where Cals defense is undermanned. Cal needs to either shift the defensive line or move their LBs to handle the overload to the tight end side. This play kills us every time. This looks like a coaching problem.

Yeah, one of their RB’s long TD runs came off this play. The offense would put twin WRs to one side of the offense, then twin TEs to the other side. This forces the defense to choose which pair to cover. But on the TD run, UA motioned a WR over towards the twin TEs to use as blocking. UA then had a WR, 2 TEs, and perhaps even a pulling backside guard (I don’t remember) at the point of attack which is devastating. It takes a lot of defenders to soak up those blockers and make a tackle. We weren’t getting to the point of attack fast enough and were outnumbered at the point of attack.

Why didn’t Tedford (or the officials) call for review of the Boateng drop (catch and fumble) at the goal line? Why didn’t he/they review the safety non-call at Maryland? These were momentum changers that signifcantly affected both games, IMO.

Boateng’s drop at the goalline was a good call. Tedford probably saw that and thus didn’t review. The WR has to maintain possession once he lands, not just obtain possession in the air. Boateng clearly lost possession in the air before he came down.

Morrah is a good receiver but a huge liability for run blocking. Given that none of the other receivers has really stepped up, why not move Morrah to wide receiver or the slot receiver and put in someone who can block? Not just at the goal line, but most of the time. We did this last year when we basically used Stevens as a run blocker. We are never going to establish the run against a decent team when our tight end can’t block.

We do do this, but I didn’t notice us doing it last night. Most of the time we put Morrah in the slot in passing situations and sub in Tau’ufo’ou instead of the RB. I suppose the coaches just didn’t think this was advantageous to the offense.

I agree we should pass more when the other team stacks 8 in the box, but we should also try more screens, dumps to the FB and RB, delay draws, etc. when they start blitzing and Longshore’s sphincter starts constricting. The screen worked pretty well against ASU (except for the bonehead interception). Keep the defense honest and keep the pressure off the QB. It seemed like we ran the delay draw with reasonable success last year with Forsett.

I think what we needed more of us was playaction passing from our base personnel package. When we were in our base personnel packages, UA would get very very aggressive on defensive, drop defenders into the box, and blitz. I would have baited them by putting base personnel on the field, and using playaction (fake the run – since UA was expecting the run), then attack down field or use rollout dumps to the fullback or TE.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

One more finger to point

I only watched the second half, so this might not have been a problem for the whole game, but I thought our run AND pass blocking was pretty bad. Except for max-protect schemes, Longshore/Riley was feeling pressure immediately after the snap. Maybe that’s just a result of UA putting 8 men up front (knowing they could single-cover our WRs), but I thought that was the most noticeable problem besides dropped passes.

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by Calfan on Oct 19, 2008 10:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Question for Hydro:

Who, in your estimation, is a truly better running back, Best or Vereen?

I ask because outside of his blazing speed, I have not been particularly impressed with Best’s ability to make tacklers miss, grind out yards, and hit holes. Numerous times he seems to simply fall down sans much contact; the wheels seem to spin too fast for the body to balance properly. Unless he has huge, gaping holes opened up for him and a more or less straight-shot to the 1st down marker (or end zone), he won’t be getting many yards and is taken down on first contact. The only game in which he looked truly capable of moving the chains on a consistent basis was CSU, and that was when our Oline simply dominated theirs.

Vereen, on the other hand, just seems more like a football player than a sprinter. In the ASU game, he looked more shifty and a couple times stretched out to get those extra 2-3 yards for the first down. However, since he is slower than Best, if a big hole opens up he might gain only 3/4 the yards Best would gain. So you come to a tradeoff: do you take the extra speed, knowing that if a hole is hit, more yards will be gained? Or do you take the extra grind/shiftiness, knowing that if there is no hole, you might pick up 2-3 yards where otherwise you’d pick up zero?

Don’t get me wrong, I think Jahvid is a truly special player. But more like Desean Jackson and less like Marshawn Lynch. If it were up to me, I’d want to use Vereen more as an every down back, and Best in special situations, or at least 50/50. What do you think?

by Spazzy Mcgee on Oct 19, 2008 12:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Both are very good, but I like Best better. I think his vision, anticipation of blocks, speed and elusiveness are all very good. Vereen is probably better between the tackles and hitting holes because he’s more accepting of the fact that he’s going to get tackled so he’ll just grind out a few yards. Whereas, I feel like with Best, he’s less willing to hit the holes and instead will like to string out a play to see if a cutback lane forms for a big gain. Best is always looking for that big gain and turning 5 yards into 7 yards, and 10 yards into 15 yards. There’s a fine line between knowing when you can sort of string out a play to look for a bigger gain and knowing when you have to just stick it up the hole for whatever yardage you can get. Best is riding that fine line very precariously. Sometimes he makes great plays by stringing out the play, and sometimes he doesn’t because he’s waiting and waiting for something to open up, and it doesn’t (in those cases he should have taken what little the defense gave him).

Best is still a very good back. I believe he has more “home-run” threat (to use a stereotypical analogy) than Vereen. Best did go down without much contact last night but I think that was because (a) he was protecting his elbow by not taking big hits; (b) because he didn’t want to get “stood-up” and possibly get stripped – which would also put strain on his elbow as he would try to prevent the ball from being stripped. I really wouldn’t too much into Best going down without a lot of contact. Sure, he’s not Marshawn. But one benefit of sparing yourself of heavy contact is that you stay healthier and have a longer career.

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by HydroTech on Oct 19, 2008 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arizona = so over.

Commence Bruin week festivities! Bring on the dancing bears, the bears riding bicycles, the … I’m having a hard time making a distinction between bear and bruin.

Anyway, there’s only one more BYE week left this season, hopefully we don’t lose right after that also.

by sec119 on Oct 19, 2008 4:04 PM PDT reply actions  

If we lose at home to a dreadful Husky team sans Jake Locker with a lame duck head coach…let’s just say “firejefftedford.com” finally gets registered for the $150 price being offered.

by BearsNecessity on Oct 19, 2008 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wide Receivers

    I am really truly disappointed with our wide receivers this year. Their inability to make plays and catch balls was what I think cost Cal the game the most. Yes, Longshore and Riley did not play well but there was probably close to 10 dropped balls in the game (or where the ball hit the receiver’s hand). This contributed to our quarterbacks never finding a rhythm.
    I was trying to write this off as inexperience in our receiver group but there were multiple drops by 6th yr senior Sean Young, senior Larelle Cunningham, and junior tight end Cameron Morrah. Boateng has all the physical potential but is too inconsistent. He could continue to improve however. Calvin was supposed to be the star but is now injured. The only bright spot was JC transfer Verran Tucker inserting himself and looking like a true deep threat. He was able to get behind the coverage for a couple nice gains. He also had a touchdown taken away from him because Longshore overthrew him.
   This year’s receivers shows how spoiled we were with our 3 studs the past couple years. I hope that this group can improve because they seem to be killing drives for us. If the upperclassmen can’t handle it then I see bring in the younger guys and get them expereince (where has Marvin Jones been?)
   Here’s to better receiver play in the future…

by zandergod06 on Oct 19, 2008 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

I was shocked at how poorly we tackled-and to be having that issue at this point in the season is dismaying.

by Itchy25 on Oct 19, 2008 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

This loss was a lot like our fall from grace last year – decent QB play by Longshore, followed by a meltdown later on. Inability of our RBs to find holes. Too much pressure on the QB. A run defense that can’t hold a no-name running back down. WRs dropping passes and, in the end, a team giving up.

Tedford needs to light some fire under this team and I mean right now.

by Rishi on Oct 20, 2008 10:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Longshore grade

D for Shortpier’s second half?? 2 for 12, 46 yards and a pick 6. That sounds like an F, or at best a D- since there was only one pick 6. The most underappreciated thing about Shortpier’s presence on the field is that team does not appear to have confidence in him. It’s undeniable that he makes some good throws, but the whole stadium feels the anxiety of having him come onto the field for the second half of a game.

by YleeXOtee on Oct 20, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

At this point I hate to beat a dead horse, but I wouldn’t mind gutting Longshore and sending his organs off to a rendering company to recycle into soap. We could then have his remaining skin stuffed by a taxidermist into a display which could be brought out every Halloween to scare small children.

I never ever want to see this guy play another down. Riley should start and Mansion should back him up. Longshore’s complacency is infective.

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Oct 20, 2008 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Defense's performance late in the game tied to the offense.

I had to listen to the entire game on the radio (in the car) so I missed some of the nuances discussed in this post. But having said that, it seems a bit unfair to me to criticise the defense without mentioning that their diminished performance was likely due to our very poor offense.

It seems like our D had a very solid first-half but began to get very worn-down late in the 2nd quarter and again in the 3rd and 4th quarters due to being on the field way too much. Beginning in the 2nd quarter, our offense couldn’t sustain any long drives and give our D a rest. When we scored, we scored quickly. When we didn’t, we were often 3 and out, just as quick. I would argue that even the best defenses in the nation might have trouble maintaining a sustained pass-rush into the 3rd and 4th quarter after being on the field so much. The guys must have been exhausted at that point and badly needed the offense to step-up and give them a breather.

Just saying, I think the defense did well in spite of the offense and it should be noted that the offense also played a key role in the performance of our defense.

by SonofCalifornia on Oct 20, 2008 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Bunch of 3 and outs by the offense will do that.

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Oct 20, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cal's 3rd down conversion rate was horrible...

2 for 15!

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory...

by Hey Bowles Hall! on Oct 20, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is Longshore playing injured again?

Remember during the bye week there was talk of Longshore having a slipped disc?

by CalBandGreat on Oct 20, 2008 4:19 PM PDT reply actions  

We can only speculate

Longshore said he was fine. Tedford said he was fine. Nobody knows but those two and the trainers.

www.californiagoldenblogs.com

by HydroTech on Oct 20, 2008 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Olsonist. Who knows all!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm no The Maharg! But I try. Oh, how I try!

www.CaliforniaGoldenBlogs.com

by TwistNHook on Oct 20, 2008 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure that Mrs. Longshore knows whether he’s injured.
Twisted, is Longshore injured?

Stanfurd Delendum Est.

by Olsonist on Oct 20, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

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