Colorado State Post-Game Thoughts
Here are a few of my post-game thoughts after reviewing the game on DVD.
(1) Audibles. I have never seen so much changing of the plays at the line of scrimmage (audibles) by Cal QBs. While the QBs aren't given free reign of the playbook to call whatever they wish, they do have the ability to change the plays at the LOS (line of scrimmage). Such adjustments can be as simple as changing the direction of runs, choosing between run or pass on "option" plays ("option" as in the QB has a choice between two plays, not the Air Force type of triple-option), or calling up predetermined runs or passes out of certain personnel sets and formations.
Riley changed numerous plays at the LOS, as did Longshore. Clearly, it appears as if both have been given more control of the offense at the LOS. We can infer from this that both QBs must adequate knowledge of defensive formations and schemes to gain such control.
(2) Colorado State couldn't stop our run plays. I guess this is one of those "duh" observations. But let me just elaborate.
Cal didn't even run its usual power run game with the pulling backside guard. Instead, Cal opted for a different man-blocking scheme with straight ahead blocking. No pulls, not a lot of fancy backfield motion. Just plain and simple "we're going to run the ball at you" runs. Boy did it work.
I think Cignetti must have called the same basic bread-n-butter run play out of different formations and motions at around... 17 times by my count. Colorado State knew what was coming and they couldn't stop it.
Why couldn't CSU stop our running game? Well, besides us probably have more athletic and skilled players, I think this has to do with Cal being very physical during the bye week. For those of you who didn't know, Tedford and the players reported that the bye week following the Maryland loss was one of the most, if not the most, physical bye week they've ever had.
The logic behind "going live" (actual hitting and tackling in practice) is debatable since this increases the chances of injury, but it does have its benefits too. Those benefits are getting in real actual football practice rather than the sort of practice mock football practice (where players aren't allowed to tackle and block low on each other, etc.). Like the song says: Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing. It's hard to prepare for something when you haven't really experienced it (see Cal's defense versus Air Force's triple option offense in the first half of the 2007 Armed Forces Bowl).
USC is probably one of more notable programs that has tons of hard-hitting live practices ALL. YEAR. LONG. Petey likes it because the players compete and it gets them ready for games by putting players through everything they'll experience during a game at real speed and real collision speed. Many USC players have often said that practices are tougher than games - that's how hard they go at it in practice. It's hard to prepare for something when you haven't really experienced it.
But like I said, live practices means more injuries which can ruin a team's season in an instant. I guess USC can sort of get away with it since they have more blue chip talent than the other 9 Pac-10 teams combined.
(3) Screens. I get the feeling that Cal fans are tired of seeing screens. Perhaps it's because we seem to call them up so often (but how much is "often"?). Or perhaps fans think those plays are boring and they'd rather see straight dropback passing. I think it's both but slightly in favor of the former latter [Writer error]. I mean, it's like NASCAR racing. Fans like to see the crashes. They want to see the blood, guts, gory glory. Football fans get bored when there's no scoring, big gains, big losses, turnovers or sacks. Methodical offense makes for a boring offense to watch. Fans prefer tons of deep passing - and if deep passing fails there is always the sack or INT to keep the excitement high. But with screens, the QB teases the DL by inviting them in. The football fan is teased at the illusion of a possible sack. But then the QB passes the ball off and it's a big letdown because it's not a dropback pass for 30 yards or a sack or INT.
We all love exciting football, but sometimes the boring screens have to be called. Screens keep the defense honest by punishing them for blitzing and being too aggressive. By calling screens early and often, you're telling the defense to be more passive or pay the price. A less aggressive defense usually means the QB has more time to pass when he does actually drop back for that oh-so-exciting 40 yard bomb.
But certainly I'm not dismissing the idea that Cal screens a lot. Of course, the question is: did Cal screen too much? Or more speciically, how many times did Cal screen against CSU? Five times. Five times out of 26 passes. That's not too much. That's not too much considering CSU was being moderately aggressive on defense with blitzes.
So is Cal screening too much? I don't think so.
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(4) Longshore showed great prowess... on defense. I'm not saying he didn't on offense. I'm saying that on the one play when Longshore needed to make a tackle, he did.
I'm sure you're all wondering when Longshore had to make a tackle against CSU. It was when the field goal was blocked. Remember, Longshore is the holder for PATs and FGs. When it was blocked, there was a large mob of CSU defenders fighting for the ball amongst themselves. The other Cal players on the field slowed down their pursuit thinking the play was over and didn't set up outside containment on the mass of CSU players - nobody except Longshore. Longshore looked like Ray Lewis out there. He saw that the play wasn't over and that the CSU defenders could easily wall of the Cal defenders from the sidelines for a touchdown. So what does Longshore do? He cuts to the outside, slicing through CSU's outside containment, and makes a textbook low tackle on the CSU player who had picked up the ball and started running with it.
(5) Riley. Well, he had some good ones and some bad ones. He had some not so good throws under pressure, and he had some not so good throws with little to no pressure. I think even the biggest Riley supporter would have to admit that he hasn't been playing "great" or "good." Perhaps "okay" is the proper adjective. Does this mean it's time to bring in Longshore? I don't know. I'm not Tedford. I haven't seen both QBs in practice. I'm not entirely sure of the extent of their offensive and defensive knowledge. So I'm going to refrain, for now at least, from saying whether it's time for a change.
(6) Longshore getting the moving pocket plays (rollouts). This seemed to be on everyone's mind. All the Riley-supporters were screaming bloody murder that Riley didn't get any but Longshore did. They all want to know why. Some speculate that Tedford is setting up Riley for failure. This is completely ludacrous besides completely ignoring the fact that Cignetti is calling the plays not Tedford.
While none of us may every know why it is that Longshore got (only) two moving pocket plays and Riley got none, there are a few much more reasonable answers.
First, Longshore just got the luck of the draw. Seriously. It's only two plays. It's not like Longshore got 8 rollouts (out of his 13 pass attempts). Perhaps Cignetti just thought the situations presented to Longshore were more appropriate for moving pockets.
Second, ball location. Coaches like to run plays which flow in a certain direction towards the open side of the field (the side of the field with more room if the ball is on a hash). This factor sort of ties in with the "luck" factor. Perhaps it just so happened that when Longshore was the QB, Cignetti thought the location of the ball on a certain down and distance was the perfect time for a moving pocket. I believe that on Longshore's first roll-out play the ball was on the offense's left hash. Thus the resulting roll out play right is more likely than normal.
Now, I know Riley had plays when the ball was off to one hash. I'm sure some people are wondering why Riley didn't get roll outs in those situations. Well, like I said, it's just luck. Perhaps Cignetti didn't feel rollouts were appropriate in those down&distance situations, or the pass didn't match up with Cignetti's script or run/pass balance.
Third, Riley is injured. Now before all the Riley-supporters go freaking out, let me just say I have no inside information on this what so ever. None at all. But if Riley has some sort of lower body injury, it would make sense to limit his execution of plays requiring running. Now, I bring up this highly highly speculative point only because on one passing play, I clearly saw Riley hop-stepping/limping after making a throw and getting hit. Furthermore, on a dropback play with little to none defensive pressure, Riley had extremely poor footwork (which resulted in a high pass). I will admit though, that I didn't notice any visible limp or other upper body injuries during the game and my DVD-rewatch, but that doesn't necessarily mean Riley wasn't injured. Anyways, it's just speculation. Let me repeat, I have no inside information on this issue, nor am I suggesting the Riley is injured. This is merely a possible explanation for why Riley didn't get rollouts whereas Longshore got two.
(7) Gregory blitzed and stunted. As hard as it may be to believe for all the Gregory haters, Gregory did the unthinkable. Yes, he blitzed rather frequently and the DL stunted a decent amount too. I will admit, it's nice to see this, but it should be noted that blitzing and stunting is does have its drawbacks. I say this because all too often I hear people say "the defense needs to blitz" as if there are no drawbacks. While blitzing does have higher reward, it does have higher risk. And while stunting can confuse the OL, it can also result in the DL stunting its way out of position to stop run plays.
Anyways, I'm not saying we shouldn't blitz or stunt, but merely just reminding us all that blitzing and stunting comes with risks.
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nice summary
The tv commentators also commented about poor footwork on a throw by riley and a throw by csu’s qb. Then the commented on the good foot work by both on different plays.
the announcers thing was more that to much shotgun is bad for footwork and timing.
Has there been any mention of how God Awful
those blue jerseys look?
by 33SwisherSweet on Oct 1, 2008 1:40 PM PDT reply actions
They’re alright, but the last jerseys were so awesome (both navy blue and white). Why ruin a good thing?
by BearsNecessity on Oct 1, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan
They make us look a little too much like Michigan.
I'm still wondering why the Nets didn't draft Leon Powe.
Not quite, I liked last year's version just fine. I can do without SOLID BLUE
and the lame ass stripes on the pants. I have to remember that half the people on this site are still in college and therefore were born post 1985. Wow, just wow.
by 33SwisherSweet on Oct 1, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Look, I was born in 1981. Does that give me credibility?
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You know I never understand that fuck the world thing. It’s used to mean “yay” or “I strongly promote my appreciation of the previous noun.” I just don’t get that.
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by TwistNHook on Oct 1, 2008 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ftw = fuck the world?
Always thought it meant ‘for teh win’ (sic). Guess I should go back to Russia…
by CaliforniaBone on Oct 1, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Good because I was headed to Alaska where Putin can just pick me up with his canoe.
by CaliforniaBone on Oct 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Twist was horribly mistaken. How embarassing!
It’s times like this I wish they’d never discovered CougCenterium.
This just went from bad to MAHARG.
We are at Defcon MAHARG.
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FTW= THAT YOU SAY?
Rec’d for being a special kid, Twist he be.
Special ed, but special nonetheless.
by BearsNecessity on Oct 1, 2008 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly, I was wildly misinformed about FTW.
Nonetheless, I like my appreciation better.
And I was of the understanding that FML was Fuck My Life.
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You know so little about Political Science majors. How delightfully naive.
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Yes. A fuckload less reading. I took some history classes and theyd have like 12 books to buy. I stopped buying the books, because there was never any point in reading them. I’d just go to class and listen to the lectures.
Honestly, I found that you could either do the reading or go to class. I chose the latter.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH SO LAME!
I can’t believe you did the reading Mr. Born in 1979. It’s like you were in a different generation. I was into all that Berenstein Bears shit, while you were all GlowWorm. You liked GI Joe, while I liked TMNT. Well just never understand each other.
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Hey, I remember going to the TMNT movie in the theatre!
It’s actually sad I just did the reading, it took me 30 seconds to walk to campus from where I lived.
Physical practices
Yes, it was great to see the Bears win the physical battle again, and Tedford seems to have used the first Bye week well. One concern I have going into Saturday is that reports out of Tempe suggest that ASU has been following the same approach themselves, so the Bears better be ready to get hit in the face early and often—and to hit back!
A related question: USC’s depth definitely makes it easier to hold hard-hitting practices throughout the season. The funny thing is, I’m not sure they’ve really needed that depth. Sanchez got hurt in camp this year, and there have no doubt been others. But I don’t have the impression that USC suffers any more practice-field injuries than other teams. Maybe coaches are too protective? After all, holding less-physical practices is no guarantee of a healthy team. Just ask Oregon and UCLA.
Go Bears!
no idea, however
I’m not a fan of the long developing zone plays. They allow to much potential penetration by the defense. Unless we are really blowing them off the ball, which could happen.
Q for Hydro
I hear people talk about “not opening up the playbook” for non-conference games. As if Tedford (Cignetti) doesn’t want to give Pac-10 coaches more film to study. Is this something that you think he does? And would it be effective after a coach has been in the league a few years?
Also, in your opinion any noticeable difference in the offense from last year?
we threw a half back option
pass on our first play from scrimage this year.
I hear people talk about "not opening up the playbook" for non-conference games. As if Tedford (Cignetti) doesn’t want to give Pac-10 coaches more film to study. Is this something that you think he does?
Yes. I think the coaches do try and keep some stuff under wraps until they really need it. This especially applies to truly one-of-a-kind ultra deceptive plays. And by that I don’t mean trick plays like flea flickers, but plays where where when you do them once they are so memorable I don’t think you can do them for the rest of the season. For example, take Desean Jackson’s TD catch against UCLA in 2007. That is an example of a play where I’m sure Tedford was saving that for a bigger game and when we really needed it. That play was so unique, that if the offense were to run it a 2nd time, it might work but would have a lesser probability of working. Furthermore, if the team tried to run it 3 times, the defenses would definitely be prepared for it. Avi ran a pretty good breakdown of the play.
Also, in your opinion any noticeable difference in the offense from last year?
Yeah, we have new formations. New personnel sets within formations. I’m seeing a few blocking schemes we haven’t used before or at least in a long time. The offense is continually evolving year after year. It really is. Thus, it’s harder for teams to sort of catchup to the Cal offense. It does get easier for defenses to prepare for an offense later in the season because the defense has more film to look at, but for the past 3 years, our offense has changed through the hands of 3 different OCs, and thus on a year to year standpoint I think it’s keeping defenses off guard.
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“That play was so unique, that if the offense were to run it a 2nd time, it might work but would have a lesser probability of working. Furthermore, if the team tried to run it 3 times, the defenses would definitely be prepared for it.”
Actually, game theory prescribes that you can run that play as much as you’d like and it’d still be pretty successful. We ran a subtle variation of that on the Big Game (play action to full back, play action to tailback) and it resulted in our only TD.
by BearsNecessity on Oct 1, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that looks like it’s just a regular playaction play to me. Nevertheless, you do have a point regarding game theory. But game theory doesn’t account for defenses adjusting in anticipation of that play thus resulting in less yardage or less effectiveness. Game theory just assumes the defense will be the same every time – which it is not.
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Not necessarily, but for subtle plays like the one mentioned above it’d be difficult for the defense to play particularly for the fake. Often defenses are influenced by events on the field and how effective the offensive attack.
Three scenarios are possible
The easier the offense moves the ball down the field, the more the defense has to adjust to the offense, which could lead to gre
The offense and opposing defense are playing at about even—>conventional defense vs. conventional offense, probably highest level of success.
The offense is being asswhomped by the defense, in which case a gadget play might have higher risk, since the offense has to adjust to the way the defense is dictating the tempo.
by BearsNecessity on Oct 1, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The other popular FB play action is the fake FB hand off before pitching it out to the RB. I’m not sure if that has an appearance yet this season. I also remember a great short yardage variation with an actual FB hand off with a fake pitch that also seems to be good for short first down or maybe a goal line play from the 2 or closer.
good play action
works when we have a solid running game, which we’ve had for the past several years.
one of the facets of the play-action that we sometimes don’t do well, is the blocking scheme should look at least a little like a running play….
*Raises Hand*
Could you explain ‘stunting’?
And while stunting can confuse the OL, it can also result in the DL stunting its way out of position to stop run plays.
The DL guys, instead of just pass rushing straight forward will sometimes go around each other or cut in different directions. For example, imagine two DL players on the LOS. The right DL guy could cut left in his pass rush, and the left DL guy will cut right in his pass rush. Thus sort of crossing paths.
“Stunt” is a generic term for this. There are different types of stunts. Such as “twists” and stuff. But essentially, a stunt is the DL trying to confuse the OL by pass rushing up different gaps in the OL by going in front, around, and behind each other.
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Maryland
Used stunting very effectively against us. Our early deficit meant we had to pass, pass, pass, so their stunts were lower-risk. If you ever re-watch the tape of that game, you’d see some fairly clear examples. I have in mind one particular sequence where their nose tackle or left tackle, I forget which, stunted behind their right tackle, which prevented Mack from blocking him, and the defensive player sacked Riley completely untouched.
Thanks again, Hydro
A few thoughts/questions came to mind after reading your take on the game/play calling:
1) It’s not so much that Cal calls too many screens, but that it seemed the disproportionate number of screens were called while Riley was in at QB (i.e., he rarely threw down field), as opposed to Nate (i.e., it seemed that every one of his throws was downfield).
2) Since the first game, I do not recall a single QB draw, bootleg, or roll out being called with Riley in at QB.
3) Given that so many audibles were called in the CSU game, was Riley actually chickening out and changing the play from a downfield throw to something more conservative on a regular basis (thus drawing the ire of Tedford)?
4) It’s not so much that the coaches are intentionally setting Riley up for failure/hating on Riley, but that any or all of the above reflect a lack of confidence in Riley (which I think would be a shame, because he is a very gifted athlete with a lot of potential and a great competitive fire).
Now, in retrospect, I’m beginning to think that all of this stuff is because Riley is tending to chicken out and change too many play calls at the line, which is the real reason why the coaches are so displeased (Because you can’t really fault the guy for a handfull of errant throws, given that he generally does pretty well with game management and has thrown just 1 INT — I think). Obviously, this is all speculation, but the bottom line is that, excepting the Michigan State game, Riley really hasn’t been Riley thus far this year.
Answers to your questions
(1) I think most of us are used to seeing Riley throwing down the field. We saw him do it (very memorably) against OSU. We saw him do it against AF. We saw him do some of it too against MSU. We’re all used to seeing Riley throw down field. Thus, when he’s throwing short passes or screens, people think the coaches are holding him back when perhaps it’s not that but merely the coaches are going for a more conservative gameplan or don’t think that downfield passing is the way to attack the defense. So, my point is that it’s just our perception – and our perception is wrong. Riley threw down the field against WSU, and Maryland. We don’t really remember that he did because a lot of those passes weren’t completed. Had he completed them, we might remember.
Did Riley get more screens than Longshore? No. Riley had 2 screens, Longshore had 3.
(3) No, I don’t think Riley is chickening out and changing the plays from downfield passes to short passes. I don’t think the Cal QBs are granted this much freedom in audibling. When a pass play is audibled to, it is usually a predetermined pass play on “option” plays, or short passes for countering defenses stacking the box on run plays. To my knowledge, the Cal QBs are not allowed to go from pass-to-pass audibling, but only run-to-pass. And the run-to-pass freedoms are very limited.
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The Game is Replaying on Comcast Sports Net right now
Comcast channel 40
So, basically, you gotta Go Bears!
I turned it on just in time to see a slow motion highlight of Best's injury
ಥ_ಥ I remember not even watching the next couple plays because I was so focused on watching him on the trainers’ table and then sadly watching him slowly and disappointedly walking off the field.
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